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In Dragon Ball, Tien has that technique that uses all the energy in your body. So why doesn't he teach that to the other heroes? They sure could use that in their fights against the big villains.
 

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RYjet911 said:
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DragonChi said:
LOTR..the Giant Eagle Race could just fly someone with the ring right into Mordor, into mount doom and drop off the ring. completely bypassing hours of unnecessary bother.
Yes, because the giant floating all seeing eye in the sky wouldn't see a group of people and army of birds flying right at his country...

and not have time to prepare a completely devastating aerial assault.


The point of the entire books (which they screwed up royally) was that they were supposed to be discreet.
Why doesn't it just see the group then? One extra bird to fly them there is hardly any less discreet. In fact, the lack of commotion caused by them bypassing all sorts of ground-based obstacles would make them LESS discreet...

Three movies of walking reduced to one movie of flight.
If I put you directly in front of a tree and told you, you couldn't turn in any degree in any direction or walk, would you be able to see through or around it?

Hence, why I said they really screwed it up.
 

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Why trust just ONE terminator to do the job. She barley killed one so just send in 5 or 6 to do the job better. And why not kill Sarah when she is no threat at all. A.K.A. When she's 5! There are so many point to exploit.
There's worse plot holes with Terminator. Apologies if this doesn't make sense, it's a bit hard to work out. Fuck it, I'll just copy and paste from cracked.
If you've found your way to this article, odds are you remember The Terminator, but let's refresh some key plot points. In the mysterious and distant future--1997, to be exact--Skynet, a highly-advanced artificial intelligence, is introduced to the world. Humans decide to hand over all military control to this system because in the Terminator universe the people have not seen The Terminator.

Decades later, the humans are at war with the robots and a brave warrior named John Connor takes charge and turns the tide. The machines strike back by sending the Governor of California back to the 80s to kill Connor's mom before he's born. The humans send Michael Biehn back to protect her.

Along the way, he makes it part of his mission to protect her vagina from not having his penis in it. And that, readers, is where everything in the space-time continuum gets "iffy."

As it turns out, when Michael Biehn and Linda Hamilton sleep together, they conceive John Connor. And, as we learn in Terminator 2: Judgment Day, when the Terminator is destroyed in the first film, the microchip in its skull survives, falls into the hands of computer company Cyberdyne Systems, and allows for the creation of Skynet in the first place.

Therefore, the only reason either John Connor or the machines exist is because the Terminator went back in time, and the only reason the Terminator went back in time is because the machines and John Connor exist. Get it?

Oh, and John Connor and our heroes spend the last act of the second movie trying to prevent said war, meaning John Connor is trying to prevent his own existence, by eliminating the reason for his dad to travel back in time to conceive him. And, if he does prevent his own existence, well, he certainly won't be around to prevent the war thus prevent his existence and...

Well, you get the idea.
 

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Modern Warfare 2

The No Russian mission.

Why do the members of the airport security/government/ANYONE not check security recordings to check and make sure it wasn't only an American slaughtering people... but instead just invaded the US.
 

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DragonChi said:
Lightslei said:
DragonChi said:
LOTR..the Giant Eagle Race could just fly someone with the ring right into Mordor, into mount doom and drop off the ring. completely bypassing hours of unnecessary bother.
Yes, because the giant floating all seeing eye in the sky wouldn't see a group of people and army of birds flying right at his country...

and not have time to prepare a completely devastating aerial assault.


The point of the entire books (which they screwed up royally) was that they were supposed to be discreet.
I'm aware of all that, but this thread is meant to be theoretical though isn't it?....its still potentially possible if planned right.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yqVD0swvWU

think this is what your after
 

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Thomas Guy said:
The ancient Jewish tradition was to sacrifice an animal to fix their sins. Thus the idea of a perfect, unsinful human being as a sacrifice to atone for all sins. This was Jesus.
That wasn't an answer, it was a rote response.

God had altered His law prior to that without requiring anything of that magnitude. Amazingly enough, the idea of absolving sins through an act of horrific brutality is kind of weird. Not to mention if this event was predetermined, it undermines the free will we're supposed to have.

But mostly, God could have just said "knock it off."

Your answer doesn't explain why God would do it, it explains why an offshoot of Jewish culture would fabricate the concept of absolution through further sacrifice.
 

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Smurfs. The use of "smurf" for so many distinct words in an otherwise english language would lead to commonplace miscommunication.
Yeah, I never got how they all understood what the smurf they were all smurfing about.

OT; Dead Rising 2. I can see the Government installing Zombie-proof safe houses in large cities and towns after the falls of Willamette and Las Vegas. I can see the implementation of a standard operating procedure like the one they had in place. What I don't understand is this:

If part of the Government's Zombie-Plan is ultimately to firebomb a city which has been lost to a hoard then why not make the zombie-shelters also bomb proof? Also in the interest of the survivors, there should be more than one Satellite Phone and/or and internet connection. I mean if Zombies have been such a problem that there's a reality show about killing them, I'm pretty sure telling other people about how you've survived a zombie outbreak (assuming the assholes with you don't back-stab) wouldn't be that big a problem to the Government's image. In fact I think they would like to know their shelters are being used properly. The Fortune City outbreak was televised in a pretty big way. The people who worked with Rebbecca for example should have known she wouldn't have been killed by the zombies and the fact that they didn't send a chopper for her shows that either they're total dick sandwiches or, they were killed themselves while looking back in the direction of the woman they had left behind and, running into a zombie (or off of a rooftop, whatever the case may be). The most stupid of stupid things was that the leader of C.U.R.E. was there without a cell-phone. If she had one, she could have accessed the roof to get a signal. Hell, ANY OF THE DAMN SURVIVORS COULD HAVE to call a news agency and their lawyers...and to throw roof-debris down at zombies.
 

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STARWARS KOTOR2 the old chick is not a sith at all lol why do u think she always tells you to do the wrong things fails
 

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crudus said:
How did the hooker pamphlets get into the vault?

Darth Kitty said:
Ha, pretty much the entire series of Dragonball, Why don't trunks and goten fuse and beat the crap out of everyone? Why don't they go along with Goku when he goes off to save the galaxy with Pan, the weakest character in the universe? Why is Pan alive? Why does Gohan, the coolest character ever fall to the wayside, while the brats fuse and save the world? etc. etc.
The first one is explained actually. They like to show off. The second one probably has something to do with the voice actors. Pan is alive because of Goku. Dragon Ball Z was planned for the torch to be passed from Goku to Gohan. My guess is the audience didn't respond well to Goku not being the center of the series.
What? How could anyone WANT Goku to be the center of the series?

I got one about almost every military-based shooter out there.
Why is it that your character completes 100's of vital missions without a hitch, drags tons of people to safety, and just basically performs heroic bad-assery and STILL doesn't get promoted from private?

Oh, and more specifically about Modern Warfare 2:
Why is it that before that American guy betrays you, you have enough guys in Task Force 141 to lead an assault with back-up AND helicoptors, but after, it's all up to you and Price?
I mean, the American guy isn't supplying the troops or resources, just the intel and cooperation.
And it's impossible to kill EVERY SINGLE SOLDIER in Task Force 141, even if it is a surprise attack, so why?
 

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Frozen Donkey Wheel2 said:
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*quite sizable snip*
Ok, so....Cortana was made by humans using forerunner tech, then? Because in Reach, you find her in a massive underground forerunner structure, so I assumed she was an ancient forerunner AI. But your explanation makes more sense. And I suppose the soda-can thing I was talking about could have been some kind of storage unit, like a substitute for Master Chief's head.
It's been a while since I read Fall of Reach, but I do not think the Forerunners were involved in her development at all.

As for the container, it is possible that it was a different storage unit than previous games (The Chief can only use her on the field because she is partially stored in his brain, which is why he hallucinated in Halo 3). I plan on finishing the campaign later today, so I'll get back to you after I actually see this part.
 

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So, I've been meaning to ask all the Escapists about this one for ages. It's Halo Reach.


Okay, so in the second last mission of the game it's revealed that that Doctor Lady has discovered something underground in an alien temple, a "latchkey discovery" she calls it. Turns out it's Cortana, the AI you spend the rest of the entire Halo series hanging out with. So the final mission is to deliver this AI to Captain Keyes, on the Pillar of Autumn. As everyone knows, this is the ship you (the Master Chief) is on at the beginning of the first Halo game. It's explained at the beginning of that game that the Pillar of Autumn did a pretty much random slip space drive jump to avoid leading the Covenant fleet to Earth. Your job is then to escort Cortana off the ship and avoid the enemy capturing her.
SO the problem is: HOW THE HELL DOES CORTANA KNOW ALL THIS STUFF? We just dug her out of the ground a few hours ago, tops! Yet she acts like she's known the Captain, the crew and the Covenant for years! She apparently even knows Master Chief, who's been in cryo genic sleep the whole time!

Come to think of it, I'm pretty sure the manual for Combat Evolved straight up tells you Cortana is one of the most advanced AI's ever constructed by the human race. But we just dug her up! And how on earth did she "choose" the Master Chief as the Spartan she wanted to "work with"?! And what did she mean by "work with"?! She just got dug up, she has no idea where she's going, she has no idea they'll accidently end up at the first Halo ring, she has no idea what it does!

I'm sorry, I loved Reach, but the discovery that the pay load was Cortana was totally bogus. It was a pointless "Aha!" moment directed at fan boys at the complete expense of the continuity of the storyline.

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The latchkey discovery that they make is about the actual Halo devicecs that the fore-runners had built. It's only when they get to them and land on them that they find out that it wipes out all organic life in the galaxy/Universe. Cortana was always with Dr Halsey except for when she accompanied Master Chief.

As for the big thing that she was transported in, if you look inside the canister you can see the chip that Master Chief inserts into the back of his helmet. Noble 6 just attaches the canister to his back, hence why Cortana never speaks to you.
 

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STARWARS KOTOR2 the old chick is not a sith at all lol why do u think she always tells you to do the wrong things fails
I'm not exactly sure what you're getting at, but I'll try to explain anyway.

KOTOR2 is a complete deconstruction of the Star Wars universe. The whole point of Kreia is to challenge the story of Jedi and Sith, since both have a mutually exclusive philosophy about the Force...both of which work. Kreia has mastered both and is now neither Jedi nor Sith. It's actually a great game if you can get past the damage LA caused by not letting Obsidian actually finish it.
 
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I reckon the GTA series has quite a large 'plot' hole that's been haunting it since GTA 3. Whenever you kill someone, they die. But whenever someone kills you, you awaken at the nearest hospital six hours later. I know it's just a game mechanic, but if I can survive my plane being blown up by a heat-seeking missile and my body falling a thousand feet to the ground only to be run over by a tank when I land, how come I can whack someone with a few shots from a 9mm? How come the paramedics in their ambulances can revive random pedestrians who I've just incinerated with a flame-thrower, but are quite content to let other characters get murderised without helping them just because they were in a cut-scene once?
 

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starwarsgeek said:
Angeryterrano said:
STARWARS KOTOR2 the old chick is not a sith at all lol why do u think she always tells you to do the wrong things fails
I'm not exactly sure what you're getting at, but I'll try to explain anyway.

KOTOR2 is a complete deconstruction of the Star Wars universe. The whole point of Kreia is to challenge the story of Jedi and Sith, since both have a mutually exclusive philosophy about the Force...both of which work. Kreia has mastered both and is now neither Jedi nor Sith. It's actually a great game if you can get past the damage LA caused by not letting Obsidian actually finish it.
Yes it is an awesome game iv completed it five times but LA differently should of let Obsidian finish the game... hope the MMO is going to be good
 

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Just showing butterflies doesn't do anything for someone who doesn't know what they symbolize. Personally, I assumed they were symbolizing Gandolf going to his happy place to think or something like that.
Turn the volume up next time, you can actually hear him speaking to them in another language.

Much of what you see as a plot hole in that film needs a bit of volume or a slow down.

Biggest plot hole(s) for me would have to be (obvious): 300: How did the story of the death-sphere at the end get told if the persians didn't tell it ;) (Poetic License)
It is a type of phalanx. It is a formation that an "army" would take if they are surrounded (especially by archers).

The Butterflies aren't the plot hole. The plot hole is the fact that the eagles are never explained. It is never explained, therefore plot hole. I can explain the butterflies and language as him stroking out or something since the movie doesn't explain it regardless if the books explain it.

MrShowerHead said:
From IMDB:

Plot holes: The DVD commentary admits that there was no way in which all the flyers that were carried out of the casino and driven to the airport could have been in the vault.
I have listened to the commentary. It is why I chose to point it out here.

Gather said:
Actually the creator didn't like Gohan, not so much the audience. He felt that Gohan didn't "fit" the role well enough, you can thank Chichi for that.
I would say I had a good guess then. I guessed audience since DBZ started the transition but didn't finish it. It did make the transition from the Cell saga to the Buu saga weird and bumpy though.

Treefingers said:
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How did the hooker pamphlets get into the vault?
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They put them in there at the same time as they stole the money.
No they didn't. SWAT arrived after the pamphlets left for the airport. DVD commentators admit there is no way the pamphlets got into the vaults(well...not all of them).

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What? How could anyone WANT Goku to be the center of the series?

I got one about almost every military-based shooter out there.
Why is it that your character completes 100's of vital missions without a hitch, drags tons of people to safety, and just basically performs heroic bad-assery and STILL doesn't get promoted from private?
I am sorry I was wrong in my guess. As explained by Gather above, the creator didn't like Gohan as Earth's protector.

As far as your other thing, that is quite simple. Read up on General George Patton Jr. (The WWII General). Then look at his ranks. You will see he gets demoted and promoted like he is playing Shoots & Ladders. He continually pissed off his superiors to know end. If he wasn't buddies with Eisenhower he would have been court-martialed so many times you would think it was going out of style. Something similar could have happened. Is there something in your specific instance the military would frown upon? Also if you can't handle a leadership position, you aren't getting promoted.
 

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Lotet said:
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1. Why didn't you orbital bomb those tree huggers
2. Just drop two tank on top of their main base :p
3. How they are able to sharpen the spears but they can go through bullet proof gas. I mean if you can sharpen them, so they can't be too hard... (my logic may be flawed, don't be ass holes when proving it)
4. Maybe I am just being a baby because the bad guys won.
My issue with that movie is that they spend all this time saying they are after a mineral then blow up the only thing stopping them from getting it yet they completely ignore it to try to wipe out the aliens for no better reason than assholeism.
Just posting because I'm addicted to TVTropes, but:

1: The Corp wasn't a military group, it was simply private contractors made mostly of ex-soldiers. I doubt that they had the ability to attempt orbital bombardment. After all, they seem fairly arrogant, and I doubt the Stockholders would be happy with them packing orbital bombardment weaponry against an enemy armed with bows and arrows.
You don't need weaponry to bombard someone from orbit. They came there on a starship, all they have to do is chuck asteroids at them, with absolute impunity.
It's not even hard, anyone with any decent level of maths ability could do the math, so people that can build and pilot FTL starships could certainly do it.
Jupiter stops asteroids from hitting us. Pandora is a moon of a gas giant, likly no asteroids and good luck trying to pluck one from an asteroid belt (if there is one). they trying to get stuff worth 20 Million per Kilogram, causing massive damage to the place is, well, counter-productive.

spend 5 million in starship fuel and logistics to cause a Billion Trillion dollars worth of damage so you can save 120 million dollars worth of military gear and personel? (numbers pulled out of the air)
A moon in a gas giant likely means tons of rocks, since around most gas giants, you get a planetary ring (although in some cases it is rather small). And you don't need a huge rock to really mess up someone's day, especially after they all gathered in one spot. You don't even need massive amounts of energy to pluck a rock out and put it into an injection orbit, for any people advanced enough to have starships and FTL, they should know all about orbital dynamics.

Hell even now, people have done the maths that would get asteroids from the asteroid belt injected into stable earth orbits for mining purposes. To say they can't do it is just stupid. You don't need an asteroid big enough to cause an extinction event, you can pretty much rain down small rocks with absolute and utter impunity, wiping out any centre of resistance - broadcast a message telling them 'play nice or daddy wipes out you and your entire species'.
you're either incredibly intelligent or you have no idea what you're talking about.

*scratches head*
I mean, I'm no mathematical whiz but I don't see how our current technology and understandings can allow us to get an asteroid from a swirling ring of rock and metal using something made by us that likely has less mass than the asteroid in question and have it sent over to us. what IS the energy or method used for that kind of act anyway?
Admittedly most current theories are just that - theories, and are entirely thought experiments, since we really have no way to reach asteroids or rocks.
Well there are many ways to manage it, it all depends on the level of technology, and how fast you want the asteroid to arrive. The cheapest (but slowest method) is the method used in most space probes these days, which is a very low energy, low fuel consuming engine, that constantly accelerates. Strap a few of those onto the surface of a rock, and a few months/years later, you've got an asteroid arriving.

The fastest method, has been used in hard sci-fi (most notably in the Night's Dawn Trilogy by Hamilton) and that's controlled nuclear explosions, similar to the Orion Engine concept, you simply knock the asteroid into an insertion orbit.

In these terms, it's simply a matter of the energy inputted, once you put that energy in, the asteroid will move - whether it be slowly or somewhat faster. Mass matters very little with a massive injection of energy, or with constant low acceleration.

plus why are you behaving with such a simplified approach to this? you're acting like you enemies will do exactly what you want them to do so you can cause maximum damage, instead of say, attacking you're ground base? and that's just the simplest approach. c'mon though, even if you calculate, object mass, planetary rotation, level of gravity and all that I don't see how you can acuratly direct a big lumpy (incredibly lumpy) rock thousands of miles down. I like pointless debates, can you tell?

need I repeat $20,000,000 per Kilogram? a chunk as heavy as a car gone will cost you $20 Billion!

to quote a much enjoyed fictional report on a similar, though not quite the same, subject:
Patrick Marstall said:
Rocks are NOT 'free', citizen.
and you can't use the word "impunity" if you're striking your source of income when you're attacking.
Except they did do exactly what I would want. Most natives on the planet, congregated in exactly the same place. Hell you don't even need to use a giant rock. Sacrifice the shuttle, set it on an orbital trajectory similar to the kind ships like Virgin Galactic and the Vomit Comet use. Instant kinetic kill object. This kind of thing has long been theorised by most militaries with access to space, simply because it is very cost effective. You wipe out all those pesky natives, you instantly clear out any vegetation.
Any species that has control of space, can strike with absolute impunity, and there would be nothing the natives could do about it. Hell even hurling a few tons of metal at select points would cause massive damage if they were accelerated sufficiently.