Most obvious plot hole.

[gellert1984]

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1. Why didn't you orbital bomb those tree huggers
2. Just drop two tank on top of their main base
3. How they are able to sharpen the spears but they can go through bullet proof gas. I mean if you can sharpen them, so they can't be too hard... (my logic may be flawed, don't be ass holes when proving it)
4. Maybe I am just being a baby because the bad guys won.

1. They want to mine the area, nuking it from orbit is not conducive to civilian mining efforts. Even kinetic energy weapons are likely to really screw up the mining options.

2. Bad strategy, fine you've now got this tank with guns etc, whats to stop a couple na'vi climbing on the tank from behind bashing the hatch open with rocks and knifing the crew to death?

3. I always thought of this in terms of velocity, when the na'vi's arrows are bouncing off the helo's they're firing along ballistic trajectories from stationary ground positions, the arrows lose a lot of power in flight due to wind/gravity/etc and hit the targets at odd angles. When they're popping arrows through helo's they're on those bird things, firing directly while diving, higher initial speed = higher potential damage added to by gravity, still lessened by wind resistance but what the hell right?

Sir Isaac Newton is the deadliest son of a ***** in space!

Also I would argue that the bows and arrows are hunting tools not war tools, Jake likely would have had them increase the draw strength and sharpen the arrows for a better armour piercing effect, but since this wasn't shown in the movie... *shrugs*

4. If you genuinely believe 'the bad guys won' take some classes on morality and see a shrink.

Edited to add cool paraphrase.

 

[MrShowerHead]

1. They had inside help so there?
2. The circus guy did it, I mean circus people can do anything.

1. The only people in on it were the eleven Ocean hired. Sure you could argue the Russian guy was part of it but he doesn't have access to the vault and I am sure he didn't know what Danny was actually doing in the vent.
2. Still no. There was only one point he was in the vault and we saw how he got there. There are barely any room for him in that thing, let alone 6 bags of hooker pamphlets.

From IMDB:

Plot holes: The DVD commentary admits that there was no way in which all the flyers that were carried out of the casino and driven to the airport could have been in the vault.

 

[Xerosch]

Titanic
Hmm... so everyone who falls into the water freezes to death within a minute? Have you ever counted how many times Jack and Rose have to swim/dive INSIDE the ship?

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Why's everyone making such a fuzz when Jake gets lost on the planet? Simply disconnect him from the Avatar and let him tell you where he is!

 

[Manji187]

LOTR..the Giant Eagle Race could just fly someone with the ring right into Mordor, into mount doom and drop off the ring. completely bypassing hours of unnecessary bother.

Ahhh...great stuff "How it should have ended"!

 

[Minischoles]

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1. Why didn't you orbital bomb those tree huggers
2. Just drop two tank on top of their main base
3. How they are able to sharpen the spears but they can go through bullet proof gas. I mean if you can sharpen them, so they can't be too hard... (my logic may be flawed, don't be ass holes when proving it)
4. Maybe I am just being a baby because the bad guys won.

My issue with that movie is that they spend all this time saying they are after a mineral then blow up the only thing stopping them from getting it yet they completely ignore it to try to wipe out the aliens for no better reason than assholeism.

Just posting because I'm addicted to TVTropes, but:

1: The Corp wasn't a military group, it was simply private contractors made mostly of ex-soldiers. I doubt that they had the ability to attempt orbital bombardment. After all, they seem fairly arrogant, and I doubt the Stockholders would be happy with them packing orbital bombardment weaponry against an enemy armed with bows and arrows.

You don't need weaponry to bombard someone from orbit. They came there on a starship, all they have to do is chuck asteroids at them, with absolute impunity.
It's not even hard, anyone with any decent level of maths ability could do the math, so people that can build and pilot FTL starships could certainly do it.

 

[Gather]

Spoiler: Ocean's 11

How did the hooker pamphlets get into the vault?

Ha, pretty much the entire series of Dragonball, Why don't trunks and goten fuse and beat the crap out of everyone? Why don't they go along with Goku when he goes off to save the galaxy with Pan, the weakest character in the universe? Why is Pan alive? Why does Gohan, the coolest character ever fall to the wayside, while the brats fuse and save the world? etc. etc.

The first one is explained actually. They like to show off. The second one probably has something to do with the voice actors. Pan is alive because of Goku. Dragon Ball Z was planned for the torch to be passed from Goku to Gohan. My guess is the audience didn't respond well to Goku not being the center of the series.

Actually the creator didn't like Gohan, not so much the audience. He felt that Gohan didn't "fit" the role well enough, you can thank Chichi for that.

 

[Treefingers]

Spoiler: Ocean's 11

How did the hooker pamphlets get into the vault?

...

They put them in there at the same time as they stole the money.

 

[Kevonovitch]

star wars movie: 3 we know the plot from start to finish, just some minor events were "huh, wasent expecting like like that, but sure, ok"

 

[Lotet]

LOTR..the Giant Eagle Race could just fly someone with the ring right into Mordor, into mount doom and drop off the ring. completely bypassing hours of unnecessary bother.

Yes, because the giant floating all seeing eye in the sky wouldn't see a group of people and army of birds flying right at his country...

and not have time to prepare a completely devastating aerial assault.


The point of the entire books (which they screwed up royally) was that they were supposed to be discreet.

I'm aware of all that, but this thread is meant to be theoretical though isn't it?....its still potentially possible if planned right.

and if something goes wrong then Sauron has the ring! even if the eagles could beat the Ring Wraiths and thier Drgon thingies that I forget the names of there isn't much of a chance that the Ring wouldn't be obtained by the enemy anyway, I mean, it's not like they don't know where you're going.

that being said a joint effort with the eagles and the armies of men might have worked, so you're probably right. but I wouldn't risk the ring returning to some guy who has learned his leasson on how he can be defeated

HOW is it that Trunks can go back in time and be able to only change JUST ONE event?!??

what did he change? I thought he went back to his unchanged future but he was just much more powerful. he just played a part in an alternate reality

anything that happened in FABLE 2
just pick one thing i'll wait... see the plot holes?
i'know'right???
brief summary of wtf moments in one long run on sentence with spoilers;

Spoiler

Childhood, music box, dog's life span, how the guards found the children, you sister dies from a gunshot but you survive in sucsession- 1 gunshot and two 3 story falls unto a stone road at the age of ten, why you hold no resentment twoard the gipsy woman who caused the events to unfold as they did, why you obey this gipsys every order, why a road is blocked because of bandits (essencially giveing them free targets), the spire, no opponent carries pocket change, infinitely interchaneable spawning towsnpeople no matter how manny times you kill them, why (some) bandits know magic, why the '3 other heros' have any importance to the story, gipsy woman has the power of teleportation, why cant we just go to the spire and kill lucian? , second hero posesses enoughf willpower at his weakest to destroy ships yet can't fend off a bunch of sword carrying louts?, why reaver is such an ass, why we can't kill reaver, why we can'k kill reaver (yes i said it again but come on! nobody likes reaver! dark elves couldn't like this guy!) after he betrayes you, why couldn't i kill lucian in the spire when i could just fireball his ass?, why do i need to win in a bloody arena to become 'worthy' enoughf to join an army of nameless faceless louts?, why dispite aquireing officer status in said army am i not armed untill i take a sword and gun off a corpse?, hero thing aside how do i survive a gunshot to the face?, why did my dog have to die (LUCIAN MUST DIIIIIIIIE) and my faimily- if any (...meh), how the hell did i port to the main room of the spire?, why is a music box the key to defeating a madman?, why can't i kill reaver...AFTER HE KILLSTEALS MY SOLE MOTOVATION FOR A ROARING RAMPAGE OF REVENGE FOR LIKE 50 YEARS and just killed everything i bloody cared about again (dog), why don't i get to see my sister if i chose the 2'nd option in the 'big choice' and instead get a letter from out of nowere? why do we essencially give the most POWERFULL and DANGEROUS structure known to anyone to a crazy gypsy lady?.

im sorry but if we go any further south were going to find the bottom of the freaken ocean.

you didn't include a huge (and likely intended) plothole. the Gypsy, Theresa was your sister from the original Fable. a book in the ruined Heroes acedemy library said the old Hero obtained the Sword of Aeons which can only be obtained by killing Theresa!

 

[smeghead25]

To the guys mentioning Terminator, I can't quote you for some reason, but there is a reason Skynet didn't just send back an army of Terminator's.

It's because they were all sent at the same time. The Resistance had found out about the time travel device from a deactivated Terminator and then launnched a large assault on that base for obvious reasons. As a result only a small number of Terminators were sent through to specific points in time to attempt the assassination of John or Sarah before the Reistance assault reached it. Then Kyle Reese went through and a few other Resistance soldiers before a Terminator managed to destroy the device. Pretty sure S.M. Stirling's books were canon, written before T3 came along and kinda screwed stuff up muchly.

Also, Terminator works off the principle of multiple realities. Skynet knew that it was in trouble and knew that she could create another reality in which she did in fact win if the Terminator's were successful. In another series of books the focus was placed on later in the Machine War and actually had John waging war across multiple realities after beating Skynet in their own. I don't think this series was canon but it was also written before T3 and could still technically be realistic.

 

[Lotet]

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1. Why didn't you orbital bomb those tree huggers
2. Just drop two tank on top of their main base
3. How they are able to sharpen the spears but they can go through bullet proof gas. I mean if you can sharpen them, so they can't be too hard... (my logic may be flawed, don't be ass holes when proving it)
4. Maybe I am just being a baby because the bad guys won.

My issue with that movie is that they spend all this time saying they are after a mineral then blow up the only thing stopping them from getting it yet they completely ignore it to try to wipe out the aliens for no better reason than assholeism.

Just posting because I'm addicted to TVTropes, but:

1: The Corp wasn't a military group, it was simply private contractors made mostly of ex-soldiers. I doubt that they had the ability to attempt orbital bombardment. After all, they seem fairly arrogant, and I doubt the Stockholders would be happy with them packing orbital bombardment weaponry against an enemy armed with bows and arrows.

You don't need weaponry to bombard someone from orbit. They came there on a starship, all they have to do is chuck asteroids at them, with absolute impunity.
It's not even hard, anyone with any decent level of maths ability could do the math, so people that can build and pilot FTL starships could certainly do it.

Jupiter stops asteroids from hitting us. Pandora is a moon of a gas giant, likly no asteroids and good luck trying to pluck one from an asteroid belt (if there is one). they trying to get stuff worth 20 Million per Kilogram, causing massive damage to the place is, well, counter-productive.

spend 5 million in starship fuel and logistics to cause a Billion Trillion dollars worth of damage so you can save 120 million dollars worth of military gear and personel? (numbers pulled out of the air)

 

[Minischoles]

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1. Why didn't you orbital bomb those tree huggers
2. Just drop two tank on top of their main base
3. How they are able to sharpen the spears but they can go through bullet proof gas. I mean if you can sharpen them, so they can't be too hard... (my logic may be flawed, don't be ass holes when proving it)
4. Maybe I am just being a baby because the bad guys won.

My issue with that movie is that they spend all this time saying they are after a mineral then blow up the only thing stopping them from getting it yet they completely ignore it to try to wipe out the aliens for no better reason than assholeism.

Just posting because I'm addicted to TVTropes, but:

1: The Corp wasn't a military group, it was simply private contractors made mostly of ex-soldiers. I doubt that they had the ability to attempt orbital bombardment. After all, they seem fairly arrogant, and I doubt the Stockholders would be happy with them packing orbital bombardment weaponry against an enemy armed with bows and arrows.

You don't need weaponry to bombard someone from orbit. They came there on a starship, all they have to do is chuck asteroids at them, with absolute impunity.
It's not even hard, anyone with any decent level of maths ability could do the math, so people that can build and pilot FTL starships could certainly do it.

Jupiter stops asteroids from hitting us. Pandora is a moon of a gas giant, likly no asteroids and good luck trying to pluck one from an asteroid belt (if there is one). they trying to get stuff worth 20 Million per Kilogram, causing massive damage to the place is, well, counter-productive.

spend 5 million in starship fuel and logistics to cause a Billion Trillion dollars worth of damage so you can save 120 million dollars worth of military gear and personel? (numbers pulled out of the air)

A moon in a gas giant likely means tons of rocks, since around most gas giants, you get a planetary ring (although in some cases it is rather small). And you don't need a huge rock to really mess up someone's day, especially after they all gathered in one spot. You don't even need massive amounts of energy to pluck a rock out and put it into an injection orbit, for any people advanced enough to have starships and FTL, they should know all about orbital dynamics.

Hell even now, people have done the maths that would get asteroids from the asteroid belt injected into stable earth orbits for mining purposes. To say they can't do it is just stupid. You don't need an asteroid big enough to cause an extinction event, you can pretty much rain down small rocks with absolute and utter impunity, wiping out any centre of resistance - broadcast a message telling them 'play nice or daddy wipes out you and your entire species'.

 

[Engarde]

In the original Metal Gear Solid, you get a lecture about how only you can hear the codec, yet later Otacon tells you he overhears Pyscho Mantis' mind control music.

 

[Proverbial Jon]

In the original Metal Gear Solid, you get a lecture about how only you can hear the codec, yet later Otacon tells you he overhears Pyscho Mantis' mind control music.

The codec is MGS's biggest plot hole in my opinion! I mean, look at the amount of time Snake spends talking to these people (There are some HUGE long codec conversations in these games) and sure others might not be able to hear what Snake is hearing... but Snake is still talking himself. How has he not been discovered? Especially since he usually crouches only feet away from enemy sentries and has a nice long chat. *Brain implodes*

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1. Why didn't you orbital bomb those tree huggers
2. Just drop two tank on top of their main base
3. How they are able to sharpen the spears but they can go through bullet proof gas. I mean if you can sharpen them, so they can't be too hard... (my logic may be flawed, don't be ass holes when proving it)
4. Maybe I am just being a baby because the bad guys won.

I think it's easy to miss the overall story that's going on in this movie... mostly because it isn't explained very well. I love Avatar, it's one of my favourite movies, but not because it's a good movie.

The humans are on Pandora to mine for Unobtanium (Read: convenient plot device) the RDA is a private company and they employ ex marines to form a sort of militarised security division. Parker Selfridge seems to be in charge on Pandora and although he's ruthless, I think there is some regret for his actions, simply bombing the Navi was never his idea and he was reluctant to accept it. Colonel "coffee cup" Quarritch however, obviously has some god complex and has taken offence to the Navi's very existence on Pandora. He is the one who finally takes over and decides that the Navi need to be completely wiped out, reasoning his decision by saying they are still a threat. Chances are, if they had stayed put at Hell's Gate, the Navi would not have been able to launch a counter attack. It was only in his extreme arrogance that he led his troops into the flux vortex and to their ultimate downfall.

I'm not denying the presence of plot holes in this movie (there are many) but let's not get too carried away thinking that the main purpose of the RDA was to completely obliterate the Navi. The "company" merely wanted to get the Unobtanium, the Navi were just an obstacle to them. It was only the actions of one particularly unhinged individual that truly lead to the destruction of Hometree and the murderous battle that ensued after.

 

[Dodgy]

Need I even bother mention Transformers 2?

There can't be plot holes as there wasn't a plot.

 

[Jesus Phish]

LOTR..the Giant Eagle Race could just fly someone with the ring right into Mordor, into mount doom and drop off the ring. completely bypassing hours of unnecessary bother.

I hear this one a lot. It is worth noting that
A): The Ring Wraiths are always after it, and apparently have dragon creatures on demand. Why do they start by riding around on horses?, no fucking idea
B): Mordor is well guarded, they had to create a huge distraction just to get Frodo and Sam through

Horses are easier to get through woods on would be my guess.

 

[General_Potatoes]

Spoiler

when frank west in Dead Rising, get's infected

lol yeah that was pretty pointless.

 

[RowdyRodimus]

Goldline and all those other companies selling gold right now. They all tell you that the dollar is worthless and will be gone in no time, yet they are willing to give you the only true thing worth anything in exchange for your worthless money.

 

[captaincabbage]

Need I even bother mention Transformers 2?

There can't be plot holes as there wasn't a plot.

Touche, good sir ^^

 

[DazBurger]

LOTR..the Giant Eagle Race could just fly someone with the ring right into Mordor, into mount doom and drop off the ring. completely bypassing hours of unnecessary bother.

I guess the bird was sleeping when they began their journey?
Or perhaps Gandalf thought it would be too easy... Crazy old man.