Moving the New 360 Can Damage Disks

daredevilreborn

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Honestly who in there right mind would think it's a good idea to move anything while it's reading a disc. You just asking for trouble doing that.
 

wolfgirl90

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USSR said:
Um..
It did that before.

And haven't they "fixed" RROD almost three times already?
Well, they have addressed and fixed SOME of the problems that cause the RROD. However, the RROD is the indication of an error, not an error in and of itself. It shows up for anything between a power failure, a power surge and your hard drive becoming pudding.

Rect Pola said:
It's also the case for small computers. Laptops are designed to be moved but consoles and desktops aren't. Why would any of these things need to be moved while you're using them anyway?
This is very true. And, as Straying Bullet said earlier, its one thing to move your console or PC whiling its loading a disk (its still stupid) but to rotate it a complete 90 degrees while the disk is spinning and not expect something shows a rather severe lack of intelligence.
 

MurderousToaster

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Well, to be fair, it's not that much of a chore to press two three buttons (Guide, Y, A) to not wreck your disks while you're moving the 360. I mean, it's not like you're playing the game while you're moving it.
 

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wolfgirl90 said:
Well, they have addressed and fixed SOME of the problems that cause the RROD. However, the RROD is the indication of an error, not an error in and of itself. It shows up for anything between a power failure, a power surge and your hard drive becoming pudding.
Aaah, I see.
Thank you for clarifying that.
I never quite knew.
 

DividedUnity

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Isn't it common ****ing sense not to move a console at all never mind a 90 degree change while a disk is spinning. Surely you don't have to be a genius to work out that it's not a good idea. He deserves to have his alan wake destroyed on him.
 

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tghm1801 said:
[HEADING=1]FAIL, MICROSOFT. FAIL.[/HEADING]
I mean, they may have fixed the Red Ring of Death issue, but isn't this worse?
However, I suppose most people don't really move their 360s whilst it's playing a disk.
PS3 fanboy, with some reason.

Sarcasm?

The_root_of_all_evil said:
Ah, so now the red rings are on the inside and touted as a feature. Sharp move Micro$oft.
Double Ps3 fanboy with no reasoning

Sarcasm?

VanityGirl said:
Isn't this a rule for erm... all consoles? I mean I've never moved my Wii, 360 or PS3 because it just seemed like a bad idea to move it with a disk in it.
Someone who is reasonable and smart.
 

Seany Murray

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what idiot or situation would deem it necessary to want to flip the console while the disk is spinning in the tray?
that being said the disk will probably get lazer burn or something; this would be a valid consequence for the aforementioned stupidity
 

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CaptainCrunch said:
The problem is prevalent in all disc drives with a tray mount (a tray comes out of the drive, and you put the disc in). PS3 doesn't have this problem, because they opted for the more expensive slot mounting drive (you put the disc into a slot, and it pulls the disc into the drive.) Tray mounting drives don't really "squeeze" the disc very hard at all - instead, they rely on a retainer to keep the disc from flying off the spindle (the part that connects the motor to the disc). Slot mounting drives have to grip the disc tightly just to get it to the spindle in the first place, and are thus less susceptible to problems if you move them.

Slot mounting is not without its own set of problems. If there is a disk already in the drive, you can jam a second disk into the slot (if you are properly motivated or stupid), rendering the entire drive useless and potentially requiring replacement.

The only really fool-proof disc mounting option is the old-school caddy system. I kind of miss them, despite the impracticality.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caddy_%28hardware%29

So yeah, everyone that believes this is some kind of design flaw has a couple decades of disc drive technology to catch up on.
That was really interesting (the wiki article), thank you.

Also people do realise that when they compare for instance a ps1 or similar device to an xbox 360 its a little unfair given the disparity in drive speeds.
 

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Hopeless Bastard said:
Just because it needs to be said again and again and again...

THIS IS A PROBLEM WITH EVERY SINGLE SOLITARY DISC BASED SYSTEM IN EXISTENCE!! EVEN PORTABLE CD/DVD PLAYERS CAN ONLY HANDLE SO MUCH ROTATIONAL MOVEMENT BEFORE THE DISC STRIKES A SURFACE RESULTING IN SHIT BEING SCRATCHED OUT OF!!
Err...no?...that is incorrect...and writing all caps and bold doesn't magically render it true...you can try adding some italics or underline it...maybe that increases the verisimilitude...but I doubt it...

Hopeless Bastard said:
As far as previous "fails," its been proven for quite some time that the ecksbawcks "RROD" is a cooling issue. During development, they identified certain key components ran hot. Hot enough, that they'd burn out at ambient temperatures of 80°F. Usually computer components are rated to run at full capacity for extended periods at up to ambient temperatures of 95°F with "standard" cooling. A redesign would've cost, and microsoft assumed most people knew to keep their shit in well ventilated areas. They was wrong, yo.
Seriously?...you defend Micro by saying they threw inferior Hardware on the market prematurely in complete knowledge of the problem?...the costs of a redesign during development is negligible compared to the cost of using components that don't burn in a mass produced electronic device...not to mention the possibility of loosing against Sony in the battle who has his console on the market first...Micro didn't assume most people knew to keep their shit in well ventilated areas...they assumed most people were stupid enough to buy crap...and they were right...and people are still buying it...I have to admit...it was quite a ingenious business move...creating broken consoles and then cultivating a myriad of fanboys defending the crap...
 

Tsunimo

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I thought that this was the unspoken rule of console gaming...
DON'T MOVE THE CONSOLE WHILE IT IS RUNNING
 

Doclector

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TBH it's generally a very bad idea to move consoles while it's reading a disc anyway, but it is a little annoying that if you move the 360 a bit whilst it's reading a disc it's virtually guaranteed to annihalate (sp? god it's been a long time since I used such a word, but the situation calls for emphasis!) the disc in question. Five times.
 

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What type of moron tries to move their console while it's spinning a disk? Who plays CoD4 and halfway through says "Gee, I should move my console a bunch HURRRRRR." and then complains? just get it in a good fixed position and don't move it. I'm pretty sure that's what happened to halo 3, but probably not because I had a small unnoticeable crack in it and the spinning made it huge. People shouldn't complain about their console if they treat it badly. If you treat a dog badly, chances are it'll bite you in the hand and run away. I know for a fact tha this is the small leverage the PS3 fanboys will use for eternity instead of getting a life, a girlfriend, and stop bashing the other consoles.
 

YourlocalPCsnob

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there are 50 cent rubber bumpers that go into allmost every other cd drive that prevents the cd from moving and rubbing the inside of the drive whilst the machine is moving. their located on the inner ring that holds the cd. if you have an old cd player from the 90's you can see it

Car cd players even have anti-skip technology that keeps your audio from skipping when you hit sudden bumps

Yea microsoft left them out
[Only on XboX] i think that logo applys here
 

scotth266

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CaptainCrunch said:
The only really fool-proof disc mounting option is the old-school caddy system. I kind of miss them, despite the impracticality.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caddy_%28hardware%29
Wait: why don't we do this? It hardly strikes me as impractical, and you'd be guaranteeing the safety of your disc while it was in the machine...

Oh wait, people are lazy: having to put effort into anything is a detriment [http://www.lazygamer.co.za/xbox-360/xbox-360-final-fantasy-xiii-on-3-discs-ps3-fans-point-and-laugh/]. I keep forgetting that.

Didn't the PSP use a similar system? I think we should earnestly consider re-implementing this technology into consoles, if only to protect people from their own stupidity. As I noted a page or two ago, common sense does not seem to be something to be relied on anymore.
 

HeatVisionPaolo

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This is clearly user error. These people have spent hundreds of pounds/dollars on delicate electronics and they're not careful with it. Just why? Unless a Microsoft employee goes and moves their 360 and ruin the disc then it is entirely the owner's responsibility for their 360.
 

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tghm1801 said:
[HEADING=1]FAIL, MICROSOFT. FAIL.[/HEADING]
I mean, they may have fixed the Red Ring of Death issue, but isn't this worse?
However, I suppose most people don't really move their 360s whilst it's playing a disk.
I dont see why anyone would just turn over thier x-box while playing.
 

Jast

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I would think it would be bad to move ANY console while it was playing a disc. Or am I wrong?
 

esperandote

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What did they expected, there's a reason why there are portable consoles and stationary consoles.

I'll complain because when I moved my refrigerator from vertical to horizontal postion the food got screwed up.