Naughty Dog: Uncharted 2 'Impossible' On Xbox 360

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Irridium said:
Well, I guess thats why I own all consoles. Exlusives mean nothing to me, I get whatever game I want no matter want.

I'm looking forward to this game, more than any other game this year in fact. The first one was great, and the second one seems to be on the right track.

Lets just hope the multiplayer isn't tacked on, or the single player is comprimised due to the multiplayer.
Mulitplayer is actually quite good (from the beta), it is much better than any tacked on multi I ever saw. It's not perfect, I hate the grenades and the grenade launchers, but it has a lot of unique features and game modes that do help to distinguish it from other online titles. This will be a definite buy for me, I just doubt I will have the time to play it as much as I would like this year.
Huh, I actually got into the beta thanks to Infamous.

Sadly my internet is shit and every time I downloaded the beta (twice, since downloading it takes about 3 full days, or 1 week if downloading during the night) and both times I downloaded and tried to install it got an error.

I was sad :(

Still, good to hear its not tacked on.
Yeah, the multiplayer definitely is fun, but since Uncharted is more of a single player game than anything else, it does feel a little wonky in comparison to other multiplayer games. But it definitely has it's appeal, but the main focus (at least I pray it's the main focus) is the single player section of the game. UC:Drake's Fortune had plenty of action and it was just long enough to get a high out of it, I'm hoping UC 2 does the same.
 

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Oh no, no Uncharted 2!

W/e. Now, God of War III and MGS 4...those are worth crying over. T-T
 
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Jumplion said:
Yeah, the multiplayer definitely is fun, but since Uncharted is more of a single player game than anything else, it does feel a little wonky in comparison to other multiplayer games. But it definitely has it's appeal, but the main focus (at least I pray it's the main focus) is the single player section of the game. UC:Drake's Fortune had plenty of action and it was just long enough to get a high out of it, I'm hoping UC 2 does the same.
Yeah, what I'm most worried about is that the single player is compramised for the multiplayer. Most games seem to have either a weak story mode or a weak multiplayer, very few find the right balance.
 

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Yeah, the multiplayer definitely is fun, but since Uncharted is more of a single player game than anything else, it does feel a little wonky in comparison to other multiplayer games. But it definitely has it's appeal, but the main focus (at least I pray it's the main focus) is the single player section of the game. UC:Drake's Fortune had plenty of action and it was just long enough to get a high out of it, I'm hoping UC 2 does the same.
Yeah, what I'm most worried about is that the single player is compramised for the multiplayer. Most games seem to have either a weak story mode or a weak multiplayer, very few find the right balance.
Regardless though, I'm probably going to get Ratchet and Clank: A Crack in Time first and borrow Uncharted 2 from my friend (we agreed that he'd buy the opposite of what I bought), Ratchet and Clank seem more important to me.
 

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Yeah, the multiplayer definitely is fun, but since Uncharted is more of a single player game than anything else, it does feel a little wonky in comparison to other multiplayer games. But it definitely has it's appeal, but the main focus (at least I pray it's the main focus) is the single player section of the game. UC:Drake's Fortune had plenty of action and it was just long enough to get a high out of it, I'm hoping UC 2 does the same.
Isn't Uncharted 2 supposed to have online story mode CoOp?
 

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How does (GTA4) 'under' perform so badly?
The PS3 version has a native resolution of only 1152x640 with no anti-aliasing while the 360 version is in full 720p (1280x720) and proper 2x anti-aliasing, so only 80% the resolution. The 360 version also has a significantly better frame-rate and less screen tearing while the model detail is subtly better than the 360 version. Not to mention longer loading times to spite the extensive HDD pre-install and then there is all the DLC like Lost and the Damned and the upcoming Ballad of Gay Tony.

Nice and subjective. It's amazing how after a few hours of (uncharted 1 )gameplay you only got one trophy...
Well I DID only play it for a few hours... You don't get trophies just for turning up. As I've said, many people feel the same way about Uncharted's poor gameplay, this is not a load opinion.

You played until level 3, so very little races, and not even one online. Sure you own a PS3?
Yes, I'm sure, I can't even remember if I tried online, none of my friends on PSN were interested in playing online, only Resistance 2. In fact, have you ever tried the "players meet" option, literally every single result is nothing but people playing Resistance 2, not a single Killzone 2, Or Motorstorm, all just for one game.

No you didn't go online (on Killzone 2) - if you had, you'd be on the database. And the fact that one shot in the head kills you, it's a bit naive saying that the knife should be in multiplayer. Can you say "useless weapon"?
Well buddy, I have no idea what that database is your are talking about, but I entered multiplayer, realised how crap it was and left. Maybe I'm not on the database because I haven't played it in 6 months, I certainly don't remember signing up to anything to access multiplayer. All I remember is how naff it all was.

What proof you have a PS3? All you have said is "I have a PS3 and HD TV, while making gross errors about criticising games, while having next to no trophies, possibly meaning you have bugger all games for the PS3. This would suggest you don't own one.
Come on, I'm waiting for a pic of the PS3, your user name, the games, and the log-on screen. The fact you claimed your phone "doesn't sync" with your PC is hilarious as that doesn't even make sense. You haven't even posted what model number your parents HDTV is...
I have an active PSN account, we have actually corresponded in messages on PSN. How can you possibly explain that other than I ACTUALLY have a PS3 and AM using it. You know full well Trophy support has been very patchy for the line-up of PS3 games with even big games like MGS4 and Resistance FOM still without Trophies. It can also only show trophies earned in the past 12 months since trophies were even introduced, you could have played a game to death before July 2008 and not a single trophy would be retroactively awarded to you.

If you want good multiplatform graphics, play on a PC.
Not always the case. Not only do many multiplatform games not come out on PC (Army of Two, Blazblue, Condemned 2 as well as upcoming Bayonetta and Brutal Legend) but if you knew a thing about PC gaming you'd know that PC is inundated with poor quality ports of games that are usually well optimised for either PS3 or 360, as they often needing extremely powerful graphics cards to render relatively standard graphics. This is true with GTA4 and the likes of Riddick: Dark Athena, where you need a PC that can max out Crysis just to play the game at the same settings as the console. That is not including the bugs and graphical glitches as well as terrible support and hardly ever gets DLC.

However some developers are very good, especially those with backgrounds in PC gaming like Infinity Ward, Gearbox and Codemasters; COD4 plays very well on even low end PCs (while not even in true 720p but only 640p for either PS3 of 360) which is good as mouse + Keyboard pwns all for First Person Shooters, especially COD4 multiplayer which is all about twitch shooting.

But most games like sandbox games (Saint's Row 2) and especially platformers and fighting games are terrible on PC.

PC is far from optimal for Multi-platform games, in fact the best platform is usually Xbox 360 as Digital Foundry of Eurogamer has found on so many occasions.

I only play on my PS3 on Uni holidays. What's your point? You don't need a HD monitor to play the games, but it's exceptionally ignorant to criticise graphics when you haven't seen the games in their best light.
That is precisely why I don't take my PS3 to uni if I can only to play it on some crappy SDTV. I play the games as the developers intend it, so that's in at least the resolution the game is rendered in. You may be happy to have PS3 away from you for most of the year but not me, it totally sucks that Sony did not consider the PS3 would be tied to an expensive HDTV.

How is VGA more appealing than HDMI?...If you can afford a gaming PC, 360 and PS3, how can you not afford an adequate monitor?
I did get an adequate monitor, but last summer when I bought my monitor and built my PC (you should know gaming PCs are not as expensive as you think as I've already posted on this forum) the selection of HDMI compatible monitors was not as great as is available today. The biggest problem was even if I did HDMI-DVI and found a HDCP compatible monitor (usually with a premium attached) the PS3 does not support any 16:10 resolution, it just cuts of the side of the image or stretches it, which are unacceptable compromises. Xbox 360 via VGA doesn't distort or crop the image on a 16:10 monitor, just leaves thin black bars on top and bottom of the 16:9 image.
The only viable options I could find at the time were HDTVs and I did not want any sort of HDTV as that meant a £145 fee for a TV license every year and BBC iPlayer and various other online catchup facilities offer all the TV I need.

Even today, sticking to a monitor with plain DVI and VGA ports is often much cheaper for a similar resolution monitor that is HDMI compatible. You did suggest an LG monitor that is VGA, DVI and HDMI compatible but the price is still too high and more than I even paid for my monitor over a year ago.
There are also very few games that can even take advantage of that 1080p resolution on either console and my current graphics card can't quite play Crysis on Very High at 1080p. Maybe when there are more 1080p games for the consoles and I upgrade my graphics card and also a maybe drop in the price of that LG monitor, then the idea will seem appealing.

Till then, VGA is still very preferable as virtually anywhere I stay I can guarantee access to some sort of monitor with VGA input (unlike a HDMI compatible monitor or even a HDTV) so 360 is my choice for HD gaming when away from home and it travels well in a laptop case. Also most projectors take VGA input and VGA capture cards are considerably cheaper than HDMI capture cards. With my monitor (and most monitors) I can have my Xbox 360 plugged into the VGA port and my PC plugged into the DVI port, so no fiddling around switching between the two (as would be for a flawed HDMI-DVI arrangement). Overall it is a much more flexible plug than HDMI.

And my explanation makes perfect sense. It's worrying that you are at Uni, and yet you can't see the simple reasoning behind this (Polytechnic let me guess? If it's Bangor, I will cry laughing).
If the kept on selling the PS3 with software emulation, then people would only buy the PS3. If they don't include the emulation, then people who really want to play PS2 games will buy one, and a PS3 more likely at a future date.
Which makes more money? To sell a PS2 and a PS3 or just a PS3?....
And how is it failing to deliver? If you compare the sales since launch, the PS3 has outsold the 360, respectively. More research from you would be nice. And actual evidence, as your word is 60% drivel, 40% opinion.
It has always been perfectly clear to me why Sony is currently not supporting BC but the point I made that went completely over your head is why did Sony INITIALLY offer PS3 WITH Backwards Compatibility if it was their plan from the beginning to continue selling PS3 and PS2 together?

I think they expected the PS3 to do like the PS2 did, completely take over PS1 sales with PS1 overnight becoming old news and all the developers and customers flocking to PS3. Only that clearly didn't happen, if you are going to compare consoles from launch, compare PS3 to PS2.

The removal of BC, even the "free" software emulation option, is symptomatic of Sony backtracking due to its poor performance that is also illustrated at launch with PS3's stacking up in stores and nobody wanting to buy them while CEOs making ridiculous claims that they will pay $12'000 to anyone who finds one on a store shelf.
 

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HyenaThePirate said:
Jumplion said:
Yeah, the multiplayer definitely is fun, but since Uncharted is more of a single player game than anything else, it does feel a little wonky in comparison to other multiplayer games. But it definitely has it's appeal, but the main focus (at least I pray it's the main focus) is the single player section of the game. UC:Drake's Fortune had plenty of action and it was just long enough to get a high out of it, I'm hoping UC 2 does the same.
Isn't Uncharted 2 supposed to have online story mode CoOp?
Somewhat, not a story mode Co-Op but there is Co-op with up to 3 players (Drake, Sully, and Chole or something). It's basically trying to score the most points out of it.
 

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This setup will just about play Crysis on Very High if set to 720p resolution which is a resolution good enough for consoles. It will also just about max out every other game at 1080p.
My friend has a GTX 260, 6gb of Ram and an i7 processor. He only gets about 30 FPS on very high for Crysis.
Oh for the love of crap, can you not read or are you deliberately ignoring what I freaking type? I smell a big stinking troll. I can almost guarantee your mate is not trying to play Crysis at - what is considered for PC - the "low" resolution of 720p = 1280x720.

Graphics card is the limiting factor here and ATI 4770 is very close on the heels of the GTX 260

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-4770-crossfire,2288-6.html

That's GTX 260 at 56 fps and ATI 4770 right behind at 42 fps.
 

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Jumplion said:
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Jumplion said:
Yeah, the multiplayer definitely is fun, but since Uncharted is more of a single player game than anything else, it does feel a little wonky in comparison to other multiplayer games. But it definitely has it's appeal, but the main focus (at least I pray it's the main focus) is the single player section of the game. UC:Drake's Fortune had plenty of action and it was just long enough to get a high out of it, I'm hoping UC 2 does the same.
Isn't Uncharted 2 supposed to have online story mode CoOp?
Somewhat, not a story mode Co-Op but there is Co-op with up to 3 players (Drake, Sully, and Chole or something). It's basically trying to score the most points out of it.
Thats a shame.
Honestly, I don't know WHY developers insist on ignoring popular conventions. It's been proven over and over that more and more gamers ENJOY coop. People LIKE to play with other people when given a choice.

And honestly, how awesome would it be to explore environments and solve puzzles with a friend online? Even more awesome is puzzles to secret areas that require two people (think little Big Planet).

It's almost as bad as games that still refuse to include a well thought out multiplayer that isn't simply tacked on.
 

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I'll reply to all this once you actually show me the PS3, stack of games, your Escapist user name, and the log on screen or the PS3, and for good measure, the saves.
Plus, your monitor must....suck, no offense. If it was less than £160 over a year ago, then yeah, it's colour ration, response time, and resolution must be way down.
And to play Crysis on full, your rig you posted in another thread would no way in hell be able to do that.
Looks like you have finally given up. Well I accept your rather ungracious defeat but I must say you have to be the most stubborn troll I have ever had the misfortune of conversing with.

I mean you are something special, you actually refuse to respond to someone unless they provide PHOTOGRAPHIC PROOF that they own a PS3. HA!

Don't you realise, if I have access to my PS3 to exchange messages with you via PSN, what in the world stops me just photographing it and all the games and saves with it? Nothing... except I CANNOT BE BOTHERED.

Your paranoia is only matched by your stupidity... No offence intended, of course.
 

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Jumplion said:
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Jumplion said:
Yeah, the multiplayer definitely is fun, but since Uncharted is more of a single player game than anything else, it does feel a little wonky in comparison to other multiplayer games. But it definitely has it's appeal, but the main focus (at least I pray it's the main focus) is the single player section of the game. UC:Drake's Fortune had plenty of action and it was just long enough to get a high out of it, I'm hoping UC 2 does the same.
Isn't Uncharted 2 supposed to have online story mode CoOp?
Somewhat, not a story mode Co-Op but there is Co-op with up to 3 players (Drake, Sully, and Chole or something). It's basically trying to score the most points out of it.
Is it splitscreen? I want to pic up a PS3 for Christmas, so I don't really know how prevalent slpitscreen is. Having splitscreen would move this above MSG on my want list for PS3 games.
 

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There are no bomber planes in Uncharted!

There is a U-boat though... and a bad case of Tetanus if you are foolish enough to get it.