Naughty Dog: Uncharted 2 'Impossible' On Xbox 360

[Treblaine]

I've given up, yet you are the one who refuses to prove you have a PS3.
Yeah, because that makes sense...
I'm simly calling you out on it, as the majority of your argument is subjective. I just want to show, and have done so, how unreliable your opinion is as you make stuff up.
I asked for proof as you came up with the most bizarre bullsh*t I've come across e.g:
1) MGS4 has pre-rendered (out of game gaphics) cut scenes, and yet you claimed to have played it
2)WipeoutHD has AA problems. Clearly it doesn't.
3)You've 'played' Killzone 2 online, yet you are not on the database. So that's instantly shown to be bull.
4)Your hideously low trophy count is more than sketchy. Considering you can only play a PS3 during Uni holidays, that may make sense, until you factor in the fact that Uni holidays are huge e.g. 1 month for Christmas and Easter, 3 for summer.
5)And to top it off, you won't show my pics of your PS3 because your 'phone doesn't sync with your PC'. That doesn't even make sense.

At the moment, all you seem to be is a lier. And you think I'm backing out because I demand proof that you have a PS3 after all the bull you said above...Right...Sure I'm the one backing out, not yourself? Or your phone still not 'sync' with your PC? xD

I have messaged you by PSN. How could I possibly do that unless I own a PS3?

So I ask you, have I or have I not messaged you by PSN and have you then replied in kind?


Are you going to lie about that now? You have already made the greatest "lie-by-omission" as you neglect yo mention our correspondence via PSN while at the same time cite my criticisms of the PS3 as somehow proof that I don't have a PS3 which is based on the fundamentally flawed presumption that there is nothing to criticise about the PS3.

Couple other things. Quit being deliberately stupid about MGS4 cutscenes and especially LYING, that's right, telling out right lies that I claim MGS4 had pre-rendered cutscenes, I NEVER SAID THAT! And you know FULL WELL! Excuse the caps-locks but I feel they are necessary as you seem incapable of reading what I type. Just read this, half way down, under the title "Cinematic Experience":
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/face-off-resident-evil-5-article?page=2

This details how to spite the cutscenes being live rendered, this particular game used greater model detail and additional graphic effects that did no exists in-game. Things like that are pretty common in the video games industry so you are being incredibly naive to assume the MGS4 cutscenes are absolutely representative of in game footage when it has not been verified either way. Yet you slander me with lies that "I make claims that they are pre-rendered" when you know I never said anything like that. Or maybe you are too thick to realise the difference between pre-rendered and live-rendering at greater detail.

As to trophies, there were virtually no trophies for PS3 last summer, the feature support was only introduced in late summer 2008 and it was many months before already released games would be updated to include trophies or decent games would even be released that had trophies. Christmas 2008 there were way too many people in the house, someone was almost always using the HDTV to watch yet another top 100 countdown show or whatever. This summer I have been spending most of my time on my PC and Xbox 360 if I'm not doing other 'fun stuff' like shovelling bricks for minimum wage.

Also, could you tell me exactly what this "Killzone 2 database" is? I have no idea what it is yet you use it to claim I have never used Online multiplayer (though you make yet another lie-by-omission as you don't mention that it's clear from my trophy list I have both finished the game and earned 31% of the trophies). I highly suspect it is something you voluntarily sign up to and is not actually necessary to play online.

 

[METC]

To all who say they don't care, don't own an Xbox, or want to rub their PS3 in other's faces:

Why in the hell are you even posting!? If you have nothing of value to contribute, then why did you even bother posting? Do you realize that you're simply adding to the slop bucket of mindless gabbing that is the Internet? Jeez!

...sorry. Had to get that out of my system.

 

[joystickjunki3]

Meh. I don't really care whether or not Uncharted would run on 360; because it wouldn't happen in the first place. That, and I'm pretty sure that Uncharted probably could run on the 360 if it were rebuilt from the ground up and was installed on the harddrive instead of relying so much on the DVD drive.

EDIT: If a game is built solely for a system that relies mainly on a massively fast processor alone (PS3), then another system (360) that attempts to balance power between RAM and CPU would require a reprogramming of said game. The PS3 and 360 are different enough that saying an exclusive game wouldn't run on the competing system means jackshit.

 

[neoman10]

Sounds like a paid statement to me....

thank you

 

[Treblaine]

We were talking about Uncharted 2, not 1. Why else have I said N/A and:
"Considering what you can tell of a game before release, it seems to be on it's way to becoming a AAA title."
Re-read the post and get back to getting those PS3 photos, thanks.
If you want to try and compare me to a pedophile, then you can rightfully piss off you pathetic, immature fanboy. And yeah, what Uni is that you go to? I'm in the mood for a good laugh.
As I have shown in my previous post, you are simply full of sh*t. Have a good day.

Well you have to admit you walked right into that one, it is freaking weird demanding pictures from random people off the internet and at least I have made you consider how deep a hole you are digging with this ridiculousness. You still haven't explained how I am able to correspond with you via PSN and show off my trophy list unless I own a PS3. I think you understand fully well why I don't want to share something as personal as photos of my living room and possession with an obsessive fanboy like yourself. It's just creepy, and even creepier that you can't seem to be able to realise your inappropriateness.

As to whether you were talking about Uncharted 1 or 2, it sure came across a lot like you were talking about Uncharted 1, especially when you started listing qualifying factors for a AAA title like:
-Exhaustively Tested (check)
and
-Bug free (check)
when you could only conclude things like that from a finished game you had played like Uncharted 1, not Uncharted 2 since it is still in development.

See, I was talking about UF since it is the best thing we have to judge Uncharted 2 by at the moment, it's a recent sequel by the same developers and publishers.

Why should we consider the sequel to a B-game to be anything more than another B-game? Certainly it's highly presumptive and naive to label it as an AAA title when the prequel was just so "Oh-kay" and we have seen such marginal improvements. There is no revolution here, just rehash and piecemeal innovation.

 

[Treblaine]

You have messaged me, and I have messaged you in return.
And why could this not have been done on a siblings PS3 or a friends PS3?
Well?
And why do you refuse to give my your parents HDTV model number, as well as posting solid evidence after your credibility is in doubt e.g. Bullsh*t claims and no trophies?
How does replying to you prove anything? You don't have to own a PS3 to have a PSN account - I should know as at Uni I played on my account on someone elses PS3...
Again, this weird belief and misunderstanding of how PSN works just highlights your lack of credibility.
Not to mention, your PSN has almost no trophies, hinting towards you not owning one. Would you really buy a £500 console from release, and not buy any games for it? I don't think so.
You claimed a picture of MGS4 I gave you was not in-game graphics. Care to explain, as the entire game, and every cut scene, is ingame graphics?
I use 3DS Max, if you want to try and talk to me about rendering, don't cry when I laugh at you. Not to mention, what you are saying doesn't make technical sense.
Thanks for a useless link about RE5, a game we're not even discussing.
It was introduced mid-summer, and yet you have bought no games since then or been 'too busy' Why is this hard to believe? So Easter never happened? Right...sure. Excuses, excuses, excuses. Want to see them all?

1)I have a PS3! I won't give a photo though because my phone won't 'sync' with the PC.
2)I have a PS3! But I have no trophies, I haven't really played on the PS3 since July 2008.
3)WipeoutHD has AA problems.
4)MGS4 has screenshots that aren't in-game graphics, yet every second of the game is in-game graphics.
5)I've played Killzone 2 online, but magically, my name doesn't appear on Guerrillas database. Magic.
6)I killed loads of Helghast on the harder Killzone 2 difficulties with the knife. Yet a killed under 1000 of them. And suck online at it as there is no knife. How I did Visari's Palace you ask? Must have thrown the knife or something.
7)I put in GTA4, and didn't even do the first mission. F**k yeah.
8)Even though I own a original PS3, I can't afford a HD monitor.

Mate, your full of crap.
Proof or don't bother replying.

I know as soon as I post a single picture you will just say "you just took a picture of your friend or sibling's PS3/games/saves". This argument is getting trivial, I own a PS3 though there is no reasonable way I can prove it to you, I have at least proven I have lots of access to a PS3 which means I am qualified to make opinions on the games for it. End of matter.

OK, you are Lying or at least ridiculously exaggerating to say I have "no trophies", let me list my trophies for everyone to see only in comparison to your own:


_____________Treblaine__Mazty
Wipeout HD*___1%________15%
Motorstorm 2__9%_________3%
Resistance 2_15%_________1%
GTA4__________0%_________3% (Wow, *SOOOO* different)
Killzone 2___31%________30%
Uncharted 1___1%________N/A (I tried harder with this game than you did)
Mirror's edge_n/a_______39% (Digital Foundry found the 360 version is better)
Flower________n/a_______52% (this isn't my kind of game, you see I actually have testicles)
P.Persia______n/a_______16% (Digital foundry also conclude 360 had the better version)
LBP___________n/a_______16% (again, not my thing)
COD: WAW______n/a________5% (it is a crime to play this on anything other than PC)


*I only have the demo version of Wipeout HD, yet it's on the list, so...

So it turns out I have actually played more PS3 exclusives that you have. you don't seem to have even bothered with Uncharted. I also have way more trophies than you for Resistance 2. What also does not appear on the list are games I own yet even today no trophies support has been added via update that include: Medal Of Honour: Airborne, Metal Gear Solid 4, Resistance: FOM, Motorstorm and Ninja Gaiden Sigma.


Bet you feel a bit stupid shooting your mouth off now, talking smack about how I have "a pitiful amount of trophies" and that is somehow "proof" that I don't really have a PS3. All that and out trophy collection is surprisingly similar. I will leave it for others to judge.

It should be noted that I have traded in GTA4, Motorstorm 2 and Uncharted 1 because they were naff and I only rented Killzone 2. I did try loads of GTA4 missions, got as far as the choice of killing or allying with Playboy X and beyond, the thing was I did all that and got bored before the trophy update came, by that time I was bored of the game and didn't feel like playing through again to get trophies, at least on the PS3 version.

I also ask for your proof that MGS4's cutscenes have absolutely no graphical improvements over the in game engine, till then I will judge gameplay graphics by gameplay graphics alone. Cutscenes are tantamount to a tech demo as the developer has complete control over the engine resources and doesn't have to worry about the player suddenly doing something or looking at another wall. Just zoom, which is nothing. I have every reason to expect optimisation in cutscenes.

Also, I suspect I only killed around 500 helghasts even on my first play-though on Veteran difficulty because quite simply I am a better play than you, that means I don't die as often having to repeat the same area and killing the same enemies twice. Also, have you played through the game twice? If you have, that explains why you have more total kills than me as I couldn't be bothered with a second playthrough. (I did mostly use the rifle at Visari palace but mainly the knife through the rest of the game).

PS3 have been very expensive for the past few years (till recently) but buying my own HDTV is even MORE expensive plus TV license fee, that is money better spent on PC, 360 and games for them both, the few games I am interested in for PS3 I will wait to play on my parent's HDTV.

 

[Treblaine]

Wow. So, your both immature and a liar.
Congratulations.
I've played Flower and LBP, so more exclusives than you. Amazing you have a PS3 and yet don't even know what exclusives it has.
Oh, and if you play flower, you don't have 'testicles'.
Again, your argument has been reduced to the bullsh*t that it is. Just the immature ranting of a kid caught out.
I played a few hours on GTA 4, played Saints Row 2, and found the latter far more enjoyable then listening to a whining relative and driving a 'girlfriend' around.
I don't own Uncharted, hence why it's not applicable to me. Renting a game is hardly "trying harder", so shoot your troll talk somewhere else.
The best Mirrors Edge version is actually on PC. And it's a crime to play CoD:WaW, it's such a bland, uninspired FPS.
I've 100 more trophies than you. So yeah, slight difference there.
See, how can you claimed to have played MGS4 and ask for proof that the cut-scenes have no improvement? How about...YOU CAN DRIVE AROUND THE ACT CUT-SCENES? Or the smooth transition from cutscene to in-game camera and HUD?
Clearly you have not played MGS4 if you haven't realised this.
I rarely died on Killzone, so just above 500 is bullshit. No two ways about it.
Plus you are better than me?
So then why did I clear Visari palace and the bosses quicker than you? How come I have a higher on line ranking then you, and why did you bail out of multiplayer when you realised you didn't get the one hit, one kill weapon?
You don't need a TV license if you are not watching TV. Seriously, a student which doesn't know that? Well if you go to a polytechnic, that makes sense
You said you've had a PS3 since relase, and yet, are concerned about cash? Lier.
Pics or don't reply, as you are just at the moment a trolling kid saying nothing but proven bullsh*t.

Lol at you calling me a "Lier" just because I'm short on cash.

You said I had no trophies while only a lair would call my trophies list insignificant or non-esistant. There is a huge difference between what you did say - that my lack of trophies showed I didn't really own a PS3 - to what you are saying NOW where you are simply claiming you have many more trophies than me, many of which are are not even earned on PS3 exclusives might I add.

I HAVE had several kills in Killzone 2 multiplayer, I don't know where the hell you are getting your information, please cite your bloody source. I demand to know what the hell this database is? Is it voluntary? It has been over half a year now but I distinctly remember Killzone 2 multiplayer though there is not much to remember about it. You also have not answered my question of whether you have played through KZ2 just once or several times? That would explain the number of helghast killed as it presumably adds up with each playthrough. I also don't see why you would kill less on easier difficulties, I'm pretty sure the enemy count does not increases with harder difficulties, only you health is limited and enemies are more accurate/aggressive.

And Visari Palace did take a long time for me because it is such a cheap level, firing on you from an elevated positions while literally hundreds pour in from all sides and your NPC being fu*king useless doesn't help. I took so long with that level as my highly refined knife tactics were rendered useless (Look how quickly I got through all the other levels) and I was forced to use the rifle, that is infuriating to aim with due to that "analogue dead zone". I've found it disturbingly similar to aiming with the old N64 stick. Basically, small movements are not registered at all, only large movements of the stick. Why? I don't know, probably just to make the game less fun.

Going by the trophies alone (though I've played 5 other PS3 games), you have only played 1 extra PS3 exclusive than me, one of which is Flower, but if you consider that a proper game then I suggest you invest in the Wii, it is full of frivolous and pansy non-games like that. Wasn't it the developer of Flower that actually went on the record to say they deliberately made the game less fun?

My point about Mirror's Edge (and other games) is PS3 is not the preferred platform. I have not decided whether to get ME on PC or 360 yet, there are pros and cons to both... all cons for the PS3 version.

Do you want to play some Metal Gear Online together? Will that prove I have MGS4? I know all about the *apparent* transitions from cutscene-to-gameplay, and how *certain* cutscenes allow a low resolution camera to look around, but I suspect sleight of hand. All this is still far from proof that the cutscenes have not been graphically tweaked at all. Why are you so afraid of MGS4 being compared with other games by in-game graphics alone?

PS; That exemption of the TV license if about as hooky as it gets, as not only do you have to apply for it and may likely get refused but I definitely don't like the part of expecting an Enforcement Officer to come around just to try to find a way to fine me £2000. Not to mention I would be paying for the TV reviver component of the HDTV that I am not using!

 

[fat waster]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

 

[mikecoulter]

He sounded super serial. That or he's a lyer.

 

[Treblaine]

Pics or stop trolling.
I never said you had no trophies. I said you had barely any. And you have sweet f**k all trophies. Considering I only play PS3 for the same time period you do (during holidays) you have 100 less than me. Wow. I find it hard to believe you invested in a PS3 and yet rarely use it. Yeah, you haven't played on yours for over a year. Did you also invest in a Ferrari, but can't show pics of it?
Mate, pics, or simply put, you are full of sh*t. Inane, unsubstantiated fanboy sh*t.
You can't even show any proof of your PS3. I'm amazed I've tolerated yous BS for this long and tried to rationally talk to someone who clearly knows little about what they are on about.
If you can't be bothered proving you have a release PS3, then how come you can be bothered to reply?
Go away. You are just spouting uninformed, fanboy, inane nonsense.
And I'm still waiting to hear which revered university you go to. I hope, hope, it's either JMU, Hope Uni, Hull, Bangor, or another one suited to your mental capability.
And by the way, that isn't a TV license loophole, it's called the law. But don't worry, I'm not surprised you can't even grasp the law.

I keep replying quite simply because I have to defend myself against your endless slanderous accusations and defamatory lies.

I have corresponded with you via PSN and we have even become "friends", you have seen my extensive trophy collection, almost as extensive as your own. If anybody ELSE thinks that does not qualify as proof that I have a PS3, please say so. I think any other reasonable person would leave it at that. And what can I say, I'm a stubborn bastard, I said I wouldn't take those bloody pics and I won't.

Also, I NEVER SAID anything about any loophole or even used the word "loophole" in reference to the TV License, again with the defamatory lies. Why can't you stop lying!?! I said, I quote:

"That exemption of the TV license if about as hooky as it gets,"

I said Exemption from the fee, big difference from loophole. Why so many lies? Do you no realise you are doing it? Is it a compulsive disorder?

Also, I could say I go to Oxford, Cambridge or even MIT and you would either find some way to belittle me for it or if you are genuinely impressed you will probably just continue your ridiculous charade and make more slanderous accusations of lying with the same creepy demands of photographic proof of my attendance. And excuse me but I don't like the idea of you knowing even the area where I live, you seem like the obsessive and unstable type. But not that me saying that or anything will stop your unceasing defamation of my character as this all seems to stem from me being critical of your precious Playstation 3.

I seriously hope that you end your vindictive assault on my reputation and just respect my opinions on the PS3, a console that I have already proven that I own beyond all reasonable doubt.

 

[masakoz]

sony allways does this to feed there(already)huge ego.like we need anymore smug asians in the world

 

[BolognaBaloney]

i own a ps3 and a 360 and i call bullshit there really isnt that much of of a diffrence in graphics not to mention the original wasn't all that imressive to begin with

to me the original was exactly like gears but without the ability to chainsaw people which is what mostly carried that game

It was nothing like gears, just because a game has cover-based shooting doesn't make it like gears.