Neil Druckman tries to mobilise TLOU 2 fans to vote for it for player choice in The Game Awards Player vote category
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Totally agree. It's a shame games still have such an immature audience.
I wouldn't call exactly generic and the story I would not call forgettable. It's not the best, but I was definitely engaged in the main quest and most of the side quests. As far as enemy types go, there are more than four. Yeah you have the standard Mongolian rank and file, but you also have their armored variations, the generals, the straw hats, and the mini bosses with their own style of movesets for certain side quests. still does not use a lack of lock on. I don't know what Sucker Punch was thinking with that one. That in the game is just so much fun to explore like I said before, it was one of the best open world games I've had fun with and played in a very long time. This game was basically Sony and Sucker Punch's answer to Breath of the Wild and Red Dead Redemption 2. For me personally, this game is not my only game of the year. I have several.
As opposed to Druckmann who implied that voting for TLOU2 was sticking it to bigots?
I can't say I have too much of a problem with spite voting when it comes to awards like this - I myself enjoyed a bit of schadenfreude last year when Sekiro won GOTY instead of Death Stranding - and really, most of the time that is what these awards ultimately result in anyway. But it's the weird siccing of one title on another by a community, when neither really have much to do with eachother and certainly hold no ill will toward one another, that it becomes icky. It's not even the simple case of 'this title is better by comparison', it's 'this title doesn't cater to pussy SJW's, and we'll bring you daily updates as to why the world loves it better for that very reason'. Queue the daily videos bringing in Japan as a barometer for why TLoU2 is LGBTQ propaganda worth your ire and why Ghost of Tsushima is a "true game" for "true gamers" for lacking it. Expect similar content from the usual suspects now that Ghost won the player choice award.
Ironically Ghost actually has gayness in it, but so long as it isn't the main character and it's only to an extent that it doesn't spook them they'll ignore that fact, I guess.
I feel the game falls short in most areas. It's not bad, it just doesn't reach a place I feel it needs to.
The combat is fun enough, but it being the primary interaction I don't think it's fun or deep enough to sustain the length of the game. It also doesn't help that before the end of Act 1 you pretty much have all your stances, possibly even fully upgraded, almost instantly putting a stop to your sense of progress before you've even reached the halfway point. The game is also too easy on Hard, but frustratingly hard on Lethal, which meant having fun AND being challenged was a rare instance.
I think Sucker Punch kinda shot themselves in the foot by making this game "realistic" or grounded, because it meant sticking to a certain set of rules that makes fun and creative gameplay a lot harder to achieve. You compare Ghost to Infamous 1 or 2, and it's shocking (no pun intended) what a greater sense of open-world fun the latter two have compared to the former. And initially that's what I thought we were going to get with Ghost, but we didn't.
Still, Masako's revenge tale was 10 times more engaging than Ellie's though.
Not that the quote retween are any better
God the Quote retweets are fucking toxic, like can the man just acknowledge a victory?
Then I would have just been another fantasy samurai game we got a thousand of those already. If I needed it that badly, I would have picked up Ni-Oh 1 & 2. I know the infamous games are better open world games, despite me barely playing them. For the record, I didn't have a PS3. My older brother got one around 2012, and I played a few games here and there. Second Son I didn't care for though. The infamous games being better does not bother me nor do I care much.
Her's and Noriko's (the Monk) too.
I just hope for the sequel, they don't do that thing where you have to kill a certain amount of generals just unlock a stance. That was nothing but senseless padding. As for difficulty, I found it mostly balanced. I agree that the game can you be a bit too easy on normal mode when you got nearer all of the upgrades. Hard and Lethal difficulty make parry windows a lot shorter and you have to be on point. Hard mode I found just fine, but yes it can get a bit easy when you got most of the upgrades, but at least there is still challenge.
I don't necessarily mean realistic in that sense, I mean in the sense that it's trying to be historically accurate. And while I'm sure the game had a proper budget, it obviously didn't have as much money to spend as Red Dead Redemption 2 or even Assassin's Creed. And that's not to say those games are better, but they have some more meat to their open-world. And I feel that by trying to be historically accurate but not really having money to burn the game is sorta caught in this meager open-world with very little interactivity other than fighting or following a thing until you find a thing.
Its really weird that hardcore ''gamers'' insisted that Ghost of Tsuchima was the alternative for ''true gamers'' and the natural symbol of resistance against TLOU2. To some extend the fringe of the press made that easier by going on about cultural appropriation which makes the narrative that the press hates Ghost for being ''what gamers want'' a lot easier.
I think its just strange. Its all the more bizarre since Ghost is actually quite a woke game as far as its storytelling goes. Its all about how a rigid adherence to a deeply conservative tradition can stifle and chain a nation. Its about an out of touch upper class that needs to learn to stop looking down on the lower class and accept they have plenty to learn from the dirty peasants. The designs for the female heroines is also something that usually annoys the anti feminist crowd since neither Yuna nor lady Masako are conventionally attractive. Yuna's a peasant girl with all the dirt that entails and lady Masako is of course rather old.
There's little about Ghost to suggest that the team behind it would appreciate being put on that particular end of the culture war. And yet many people like the quartering insist that Ghost is on their particular team.
That's because people like that and the Quartering are nothing, but hypocritical, loud mouth, douchebags who can never pick up on subtleties or refuse to ignore obvious facts when it suits them. They will pull all kinds of mental gymnastics to justify why they love or hate something. Or why a game is put on a type of pedestal that the creators/developers never asked for nor want. Ghost of Tsushima lived and died on its own merits and that's all that matters. It didn't need those alt-right jerk offs to succeed.
You might have a point with Red Dead 2, but the the Assassin'sCreed games don't have much more meat to their open world. Not unless you count even more senseless padding. As far as I'm concerned they've been making the same game since Brotherhood with little variations or exceptions. The only other standout being Black Flag.
Well, Black Flag is the last one I played.
With Ghost there were just certain mechanics that feel totally wasted, like the hookshot. You only use it for climbing, and it could've been replaced entirely by just adding another ledge or jumping onto branches instead of swinging. It doesn't really open up other options. Like, you can't use it in combat to snap enemies to you or you to them. You can't use it to pull enemies off of ledges or into trees and look-outs. The flute, too, which can change the weather, but I feel had much more potential. Like, you could use it to maybe hypnotize animals to aid you, or even for other flavour purposes like cheering up disgruntled peasants.
There was potional there with those mechanics within this open-world, I just don't feel the game ever tapped into it.
Those are neat ideas and hopefully with the sequel they'll improve upon it or open it up. The hook shot you could actually jump on tree branches with them. It was simplistic, but it was there. The animal idea you have is neat, but nobody was thinking about that. In the next game, it will be great mechanic to add to Jin's ninja repertoire. Ninjas actually used animals to hide, blind people senses, or to use as a distraction.
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He’s smart enough to realize SP aren’t the ones strong-arming the vote in their favor, but by that same token it would seem TGA organizers would at least be complicit in allowing it. Surely they were aware of it?
Poor TLOU 2 can now only win 9 awards not 10 what a shame how will Naughty Dog staff cope knowing not seeing their families and nearly being killed in a workplace accident when a pipe fell down will only net Neil Druckman a possible 8 award (the 9th being for performance of characters) instead of 10 while Sucker Punch that had 0 reported crunch on their game produced something based on Japanese cultural products so loved that Japanese studios are celebrating it let alone Japanese gamers buying it up.
Ghost won the previous 2 round of voting. for TLOU2 Neil Druckman tried to mobilise people to vote as a way to own people. People saw that as him just wanting yet another award on top of the 9 his game will likely get because they're voted on my journalists not 100% player vote.
No people didn't hate TLOU2 being of Ellie or Abby but how some of the stuff was written. Ellie at points comes off as somewhat spiteful and entitled. Abby is deliberately frame by the game when playing as her as more likeable which you can argue was an attempt to try and humanise a character you just saw be a monster but came off as obviously manipulative and trying to play on peoples emotions and influence them to perceive Ellie as bad.
I knew it would lol.
Journalists are all huffing farts thinking TLOUII was some revolutionary narrative no-one had ever told before. It's like Gone Home, do even a little research and you find most of Gone Home has been written in stories that are considered cliche almost by now and all Gone Home done is a lot of cliche story moments but as a video game not a pulp fiction lesbian novel.
They made perfect sense, accept that like Disco Elysium before it, it proved to be a title that with curation and discriminating taste that gaming can be art.
Who were the judges? There was only that one popular choice vote, wasn't it? Sorry, I haven't paid attention to video game award shows since I was old enough to figure out that they're just paid promotion and sycophants patting themselves on the back.
Anything I don't like = Paid off. Maybe a game during hard times that instead of resorting to escapism and make us face our demons head on should be praised.
Weebs like you will never acknowledge a game like TLOU2 will be good, ever so why should any critic heed the player's choice opinion. Instead you will hold on to Metal Gear and comment on how deep the commentary is yet scoff at anything coming from the likes of Druckmann because there is no character wearing a skimpy outfit with an excuse for it.
So who were the judges?
Edit: Nevermind, found it on their overproduced website: https://thegameawards.com/voting-jury
oh look at all, all the "mainstream" outlets, none of which I follow in any capacity. How surprising. That was sarcasm. I'm not surprised at all, nor am I with their choice.
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