Neon Genesis Evangelion

[Yuuki]

Oi oi, you forgot Misato! I was yelling "fuck herrrrrrr" more than any other character, it's totally (not) possible

 

[Gatx]

I didn't like 3.0, but I can't deny how clever it was. It was essentially a huge, well-orchestrated fuck you to the people who want NGE to be something it's not. 2.0 was the bait. It was a more traditional story, with more character agency and a more cliched finale (Boys risks the world to get the girl. I cheered). The Thing is, everything Shinji did in 2.0 made the world worse. 3.0 is about a young boy who can't grow up, stuck in the ruins of a place he can't escape from. I don't think there's a better metaphor for people STILL expecting Eva to go back to a straight up robot show than that. I don't think it's a coincidence that Shinji slept for 14 years; that's exactly how old NGE was when 2.0 was released.

I didn't particularly like the film, I think Anno's attempt to make a point was undermined by the obvious attempt to sell more action figures and body pillows, but I do like how each of the Rebuild movies has prompted a reevaluation of the one that came before it.

Side note; I love the bleating of Eva fans. "you don't get it, man! You don't get it! It's all deep and stuff." You can always tell how insecure someone is about their tastes when they break out that line in response to a joke.

I feel sort of the same way. I didn't like the experience of watching it - pacing was slow, or rather it just feels that way because the previous movies covered like what, half a dozen episodes worth of material each, and this one was the first one they actually took their time with, brings in way too much new terminology with no explanation, etc. but thinking back on it, I love it, especially because it's a bait and switch.

Hopefully it made Shinji's problems a bit more understandable since a lot of it gets caught up in the "How can you not want to pilot a kickass giant robot?" reaction.

 

[hazydawn]

I really can't understand people who have a need to state their opinion like a fact about this show (any other really but this one somehow is worst in that regard). I guess it's because they think they are so intelligent and clever that they understand everything about this show... Seriously, both groups (lovers and haters) act like twats claiming to know everything.

Sorry that I did't add imo the end to make it agreeable xD
Don't treat it like it's something so unbelievably complex noo human being is capable of understanding.
The ideas this show presents aren't original. And yes, I believe myself to be intelligent enough to understand this anime. I'm not intelligent enough to understand everything Nietzsche tried to express but in this case I think I am.
Furthermore I don't think I exaggerated by saying that I can't understand how people can like this anime, I really can't.
I also can't understand how people can watch brainless reality tv or listen to Justin Bieber. It's just unlikeable imho ^^
Ok, now I exaggerated, it's not on the level of those two examples. :S

I can understand G-Force's reasoning, though just because it was the first anime to focus on the psychology of the characters doesn't make it good in a modern day perspective... imo
And I don't think the character's are thought out that well.
"Making a character sociopathic or autistic doesn?t constitute ?depth?"

 

[Xpwn3ntial]

Hey, Grey. You gonna make a tang joke next?

 

[Godhead]

Has nobody posted it yet? *looks around* Nope, well this is for a strip that made me laugh my ass of Grey.

Spoiler: Congratulations!

 

[oldtaku]

Nothing will ever get resolved in Eva as long as it's primarily a massive merchandising profitmonster (Eva soda machines!). They can't afford to stop remaking and stretching it out because people still buy any old dumb Eva brand crap they pump out.

 

[Tanis]

So...you want him to 'fuck' the sort-of-clone...of his mom?



Also:
Tenchi Muyo ain't nothing like this.
If you're gonna hate, at least know what you're talking about.

 

[Me55enger]

Folk like Erin need to exist more.

I are sad.

 

[TheTygre]

Well to be fair, he did manage to blow Kaworu's head off.

And he would have made it with Asuka if he didn't choke it at the last minute.

But then again, who said ever Asuka doesn't like choking. Girls always become their mothers; am I right, fellas, or amirite?

 

[Grahav]

Well to be fair, he did manage to blow Kaworu's head off.

And he would have made it with Asuka if he didn't choke it at the last minute.

But then again, who said ever Asuka doesn't like choking. Girls always become their mothers; am I right, fellas, or amirite?

You are a terrible person.

Good one, man!

If you want sadder than that look for this girl:

From the manga: It's Not My Fault That I'm Not Popular!

 

[RJ 17]

Here's the deal with Evangelion:

If you don't need therapy, you will by the end of the series.
If you needed therapy, you won't by the end of the series.

 

[Hectix777]

as much as this is true Tenchi Muyo was far worst

Fairly certain the reason behind that was because Tenchi had the thirst.

Also: Good way to tell you've aged is when you stop asking,"Why doesn't he marry the princess?" And start asking,"Why isn't he getting with the ready and willing blue-haired chick!?"

 

[Garrett]

I really can't understand people who have a need to state their opinion like a fact about this show (any other really but this one somehow is worst in that regard). I guess it's because they think they are so intelligent and clever that they understand everything about this show... Seriously, both groups (lovers and haters) act like twats claiming to know everything.

Sorry that I did't add imo the end to make it agreeable xD
Don't treat it like it's something so unbelievably complex noo human being is capable of understanding.
The ideas this show presents aren't original. And yes, I believe myself to be intelligent enough to understand this anime. I'm not intelligent enough to understand everything Nietzsche tried to express but in this case I think I am.
Furthermore I don't think I exaggerated by saying that I can't understand how people can like this anime, I really can't.
I also can't understand how people can watch brainless reality tv or listen to Justin Bieber. It's just unlikeable imho ^^
Ok, now I exaggerated, it's not on the level of those two examples. :S

I can understand G-Force's reasoning, though just because it was the first anime to focus on the psychology of the characters doesn't make it good in a modern day perspective... imo
And I don't think the character's are thought out that well.
"Making a character sociopathic or autistic doesn?t constitute ?depth?"

Oh, so you understand that writer was under severe depression when writing this show which resulted in such characters that have traits of his personal struggle and conclusions? You also understand that there is no such thing as "objectively good/bad"? Somehow I doubt it.

And I don't claim this show is too complex. On the contrary, I think there is really nothing that needs special understanding to it. For people with certain problems or experiences it might be deep and intelligent because it explores things familiar to them. For people with lack of such experiences it might be as flat as the Earth itself[1]. Symbolism is there probably to complement the story. If you're going to touch on religious subjects, symbolism is very nice way to complement it and make it more believable. And at least for my level of knowledge about christianity/judaism, what is in NGE actually makes sense and doesn't look like it's thrown at random. What's there to understand? You like well put symbolism and/or such characters? You'll probably like the show. Otherwise you probably won't. Pretty simple, no?

And just because something isn't original, that doesn't make it worse.

I can never understand this need in people to justify their liking/hating of something. It just seem to me like they're really just trying to convince themselves that they are superior to others... And ofcourse they justify it by saying "I get it" and proceed with anylisng things for whatever is or isn't there. Seriously, if you try hard enough you will find deep philosophical subjects in Twilight. Not because they are there but because you want them to be there. It's like listening to a teacher analysing a poem, when she goes like:
"And part "And he looked through his blue curtains" means that he was feeling blue" (apparently there are certain traits and/or moods associated with colours, idk, I didn't make that up). Because the character in the poem, so totally every day after waking up is like "Hmm, today I'm feeling a bit green, I'm going to hang green curtains" and it's so not because blue rhymes with glue which is in very next line. The worse part is, the teacher might actually be right. Maybe author did use blue curtains to show character current mood. Only author knows it.[2]

[1] Just in case someone didn't catch that, it was a joke

[2] Interesting story about it. An experiment was done in my country. Popular author of poems (which died some time ago) was given highschool test about analysing her own poems. She barely got a passing mark. The author of the poem barely got passing mark when analysing her own poem, you know, one that she herself wrote.

 

[ace_of_something]

good to know I wasn't only one screaming this inside my head while watching this anime
"Bang the redhead, dammit" was the line that constantly went through my head

P.S.Although to be fair, "Bang the redhead" is my usual solution to every single problem.

I think "BANG THE REDHEAD DAMNIT!" could be a t-shirt, poster, political campaign slogan.

 

[Gordon_4_v1legacy]

I get the impression you really don't like Shinji, Grey.

Spoiler: Although considering who the second and third person are, I'd be more concerned if he did end up sleeping with them.

Rei being a clone of his mother. Kaworu being an Angel.

Also, Erin's left hand is in a suspicious place considering what she is saying.

And I hate to be that "You're missing the point" guy, but... yeah.

To be fair, it happened in the last comic as well. I think Grey gets the point, but is just choosing to ignore it for comedic effect.

I actually think this joke works heaps better than the old one. I got a special place in my sympathy department for Shinji, but I do feel that some kind of intimacy with someone stable (so that those three out) might have balanced him out. That and Prozac.

 

[47_Ronin]

Why yes, NGE had it all. A coming of age story with robots, a protagonist with a tosa-complex, gratuitous amounts of metaphysical bull and one hell of a confusing ending. But man was it a great show.
But the comic makes an excellent point. At one point I identified more with the father then the son.

 

[hazydawn]

Oh, so you understand that writer was under severe depression when writing this show which resulted in such characters that have traits of his personal struggle and conclusions?.

Yes I knew that which does not make it any better imo. That's basically my explanation why it so bad. Because at some point the story just went downhill and gave way to these boring everlasting monologues. I guess they can be exciting for people who never went through a depressive stage in their lives and never thought about all these questions themselves.
And overall the storytelling is just bad and incoherent. Too much is left unexplained, the ending doesn't even make sense and comes out of nowhere and the worst thing, the only thing he wanted to express with that ending is as far as I understood and remember(been some time and I only wanted to forget) "It's okay for you to love yourself just as you are." or some similar bullshit. *throws up*

You also understand that there is no such thing as "objectively good/bad"? Somehow I doubt it.

That is still debatable, is it not? It also depends on how one defines "good" and "bad".
I personally like to think that there is some objective truth, though that might be just like the belief in god >.<
I'll be switching one of my majors to philosophy and ethics, maybe I'll be able to argue about that one day ^^

And just because something isn't original, that doesn't make it worse.

That's a good argument I agree with that. It just appeared to me that somehow people attribute those ideas to NGE, which is wrong because it definitely was not the author of NGE who first had these ideas.

I can never understand this need in people to justify their liking/hating of something. It just seem to me like they're really just trying to convince themselves that they are superior to others...

Well that can have different reasons I guess. Sometimes people may want reassurement why they feel a certain way, sometimes they become emotional and want to vent these emotions by writing it down or they need somebody to share their experiences with and sometimes you may be right.
I guess that need of people to express themselves is pretty irrational
But it may be because nowaydays we identify ourselves more than ever with the things we like.
"This when a person says they like flying or like a particular rock group, they are connecting their self with these and including associated concepts into their identity."
Same goes for disliking something, just that you distance yourself rather than connect.

Btw I'm starting to enjoy our little conversation isn't that all it is about? (^_^)

 

[Evil Smurf]

good to know I wasn't only one screaming this inside my head while watching this anime
"Bang the redhead, dammit" was the line that constantly went through my head

P.S.Although to be fair, "Bang the redhead" is my usual solution to every single problem.

If there was more banging of redheads (and also more redheads for the banging), the world would be a much better place.

<spoiler=I'm partial to this redhead>Faye Reganhttp://uristocrat.com/files/2010/05/married-to-the-mob-summer-2010-collection-feat-faye-regan17.jpg

Anyway this trope exits in all animé. Ash and Misty always annoyed me with this. (also Misty is a redhead )

 

[Silly Hats]

good to know I wasn't only one screaming this inside my head while watching this anime
"Bang the redhead, dammit" was the line that constantly went through my head

P.S.Although to be fair, "Bang the redhead" is my usual solution to every single problem.

If there was more banging of redheads (and also more redheads for the banging), the world would be a much better place.

<spoiler=I'm partial to this redhead>Faye Reganhttp://uristocrat.com/files/2010/05/married-to-the-mob-summer-2010-collection-feat-faye-regan17.jpg

Anyway this trope exits in all animé. Ash and Misty always annoyed me with this. (also Misty is a redhead )

Marie > Faye

<spoiler=Proofs>http://www.topfox.tv/pic/marie_mccray/158339_marie_mccray_scaled.jpg




I've always liked Evangelion, I don't think that it's as deep as what people make it out to be. Still though, I have all of the DVDs and will buy 3.0 when it comes out.

 

[Evil Smurf]

<spoiler=Proofs>http://www.topfox.tv/pic/marie_mccray/158339_marie_mccray_scaled.jpg

I may need to do some research into this.

I may need to start watching this anime