New "Game" Encourages Secret Police-Style Spying

Veylon

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Aside from the ethical issues, I see huge potential for misuse here. Imagine, if you will, a criminal group using this to keep tabs on an armored car they intend to rob. Or a pedophile seeing if there are any loose children available for abduction. Or a mugger seeing who's out and about. Or Al-Qaeda using this to check where their target is for a car bombing; no one would need to be nearby to make sure it goes off at the right time.

This thing is the perfect crime aid.
 

hcig

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is this open for americans?

i would LOVE to spy on some dirtbag brits

thats right, i wish to violate you because you deserve it, why? because YOU let this happen, hahahaha, you pansies need to actually do something about this, no, seriously, you guys are sucking waaay too hard now.

edit: okay, im being serious here, you guys are living in a damn police state, why dont you do something to stop it?
 

Ajna

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I maintain my current policy: If you've got nothing to hide, I'm checking your web history.
 

SenseOfTumour

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Surely all it will take is for an internet group like anonymous to hear about it, have a few thousand members sign up and all report the maximum false reports each day until it breaks.

I'm in favour of these cameras being watched, sure, it's been an immense waste of time to install a few million cameras in the UK (if there actually are, and there's not in fact a few hundred multiplied by the Daily Mail Factor). However, I'm not happy with just letting any idiot view and report people, I prefer my security guards to have been trained and signed secrecy contracts, not some 12 year old compiling a 'Bristol's funniest after pub fights' video for Youtube.

At the same time part of me is in favour of it, and part isn't. Again, we have a lot of problems that could do with being reported more, but we don't have the police manpower to deal with them already, and also it'll end up with 'oh look he has a turban and he dropped a tissue, that's littering, oh that white guy just took a dump on Mr Patel's car windscreen, that's ok tho, where's that guy with the turban again?'

I also fear that due to CCTV TV shows, Big Brother, other reality shows, etc, we've become somewhat detached from humanity as a people already, and I think some people would just end up watching without reporting when it came to fights and other attacks.

I admit to being ignorant of the rules when it comes to security staff, but I at least hope they're made to sign secrecy contracts and there's rules about what they can talk about, when it comes to things they see at work. Give this job to the public and it's gonna be a sea of people gossiping about what that person did where and when.

I just can't see this going well.

On the bright side, it WAS printed in the Daily Mail therefore the original story was 'man watches CCTV footage' and the rest of it was extrapolated from there, I'm just amazed they didn't get immigrants, house prices and Diana in there somewhere.

Please tho guys, lets remember that you won't get assigned your local area, so most of those complaints go out the window, and even if you fake your own address, you'll just get assigned a random area in the UK, so still unlikely to receive a local one.
 

Koeryn

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CaptainCrunch said:
Was there a government-engineered plague I haven't heard about yet, to necessitate such monitoring? Countdown to Fingermen and a chancellor starts now.

Also, if they are successful I can see this type of "game" being implemented in the US - patrolling the Mexican border. Countdown to poopsocking racists begins now.
Bah, all you need to patrol the US/Mexico border is oh, let's go with 100 of these:


I want one. :( Unmanned tanks as fast as motorcycles that can go pretty much ANYWHERE, and can very easily be mounted with a machine gun. They're also extremely low maintenance, and (bonus point), they're cheap.
 

orangebandguy

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Well at least this is more Orwellian than The US free healthcare scandal. It's starts with internet eyes, and ends with "Welcome..Welcome to City 17"
 

Beastialman

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This sounds like a brilliant idea and something I'd do... but I'd just use it during class when I'm supposed to be paying attention.

Edit: I'd also like to point out that people could report their friends stealing small stuff earning the reward and giving a chunk of it to Walmart to pay for the stolen items.
 

Therumancer

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Okay let me be blunt, I think this is a great idea.

I used to work in casino security for a very long period of time, one of the things I did was "Monitor Room" which basically meant sitting there watching cameras. Despite what you might think from video games, being caught on a Camera does not mean instant notification. In a big building you could have monitors panning through hundreds of differant cameras and unless the guy working them just happens to see you, chances are the only real danger is going to be once a crime is "discovered" that someone will go through the video logs to see if a camera got you. A goodly portion of what I did actually amounted to pulling and watching tapes retroactively, and/or sending them to the authorities.

All this program does is get people to watch cameras for free to increase the chances that they will catch someone actually doing something (when there may or may not be any evidence to have had anyone think to check a tape retroactively). I mean if your doing something illegal you should be nailed, and all this is doing is making video surveillance more plausible and less based off of dumb luck or the criminal messing up bad enough or leaving enough evidence for you to check the tape.

As far as people talking about the "Stasi" or even going back earlier, the big differance was things like secrecy, and defendants not having the right to face their accusor or see the evidence arrayed against them. This is why the extent of collusion was not known, it was all secret/hush-hush. It meant that for all practical purposes a person could be arrested, told they did something, and have no practical method of defending themselves.

When it comes to video suerveillance in the US, in general you have to produce a report (documentation), and then there is of course the tape itself which will go to court. Plus the prosecution is going to bring you (the guy who saw this) out as a witness and the guy your accusing gets to see who is bringing the charges.

Unless they make the process totally anonymous in the actual legal phase, there is no comparison at all. Being caught by some dude surfing the internet, is no worse than being caught by a security officer.

A few years ago I'd be saying it was bad, but mainly because it could put me (a professional) out of a job if it works down the road. But now I'm retired on disabillity, so I don't much care on a personal level, and see the benefits.


One of the things that sort of galls me about the US is that a lot of people seem to ultimatly equate freedom with "the right to commit crimes and get away with it". As I said, all this is doing is making the video systems already in place more effective. "This area is under video suerveillance" simply becomes that much more of a a deterrant.

Besides which anything truely under the table (certain kinds of covert suerviellance is illegal, even on private property) isn't going to fly. It just doesn't worry me as a concept as long as other laws in the US don't change in connection to it. We just don't have the legal infrastructure in place to create something like "Stasi" or "Secret Police". Heck, it's a giant charlie foxtrot to go after terrorists and national security threats nowadays without demands for massive amounts of public disclosure.

Also let me put it to you this way, let's say some dude walks up and decides to rob and sodomize you in a bank parking lot while wearing a clown mask. Right now the ATM camera might catch it, but won't be seen until hours later when your getting DNA evidence removed from your colon. At least under this system there is a chance someone sitting on the Internets might catch the guy and call the police on the spot. Granted the odds aren't great, but they DO exist. Of course while this might sort of save you/catch the guy, you also have to worry about your misadventure becoming "internet entertainment clip of the week". I mean an enterprising citizen could wait until he's done for a full capture, call the police, collect his thousand dollars, and then make some extra money selling the clip to porn sites. :p
 

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im watching you watching me watching her watching you watching me watching little boys in dressing rooms.

wait, that went wrong somewhere.


this makes me think of A Scanner Darkly
 

awmperry

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Technically it's actually a good idea; after all, what good is a camera if no one watches it?

Ethically, though, it's immensely dodgy.

Ah well. I'm sure they'll make sure that all "players" hold an SIA Public Space Surveillance (CCTV) licence, right? You know, the one that the Private Security Industry Act of 2001 requires everyone to have to "undertake the licensable activities of a public space surveillance CCTV operative and [the] services are supplied for the purposes of or in connection with any contract to a consumer". Well, either that or they'll have a section 4 exemption, right?

I mean, they wouldn't miss something that obvious, right?

(I'm not sceptical at all, honest...)


EDIT: I've just had a look at their FAQ (http://interneteyes.co.uk/faq.php) and it's going some way towards allaying my concerns. For a start, it debunks the "rogues' gallery" thing (which means, Andy Chalk, that you need to do a bit more research from primary sources rather than quoting the Daily Mail, and wasn't that source a massive surprise?), and a number of other things that were of concern.

It doesn't specifically address the SIA requirements for CCTV operators, so I would be interested to see what arrangements they've made to satisfy those, but do check the FAQ rather than just reading the article here.
 

Asehujiko

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Why does everybody think that making sure that about a billion pounds of government spending isn't wasted on staff shortages is a horrible thing?

No cctv=bad
cctv=good
cctv that is actually watched=bad?
 

bushwhacker2k

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Privacy > A little crime prevention.

That said, if it's just in public then I don't care what the deal is.
 

Devil's Due

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Why's everyone crying? It's using cameras that were ALREADY there for people to monitor. Those cameras were ALREADY watching you, with a security guard ALREADY watching that, this just adds other people to watch the same camera for crime. The ones who are crying are probably the ones who do things wrong in the first place and are afraid they will now get caught for breaking the law.

My god.
 

Britisheagle

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"the user who caught them"? I'm sorry thats just ideal for busted criminals to, yano, get revenge. Think it's a clever idea, in a way, but overall no thanks.
 

paragon1

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Harbinger_ said:
Thank God this is only in europe.
Okay, totally unrelated post, but your avatar is awesome, just wanted to say that.

OT: You know, reading stuff like this makes me think that Skynet might be right.