New Nintendo Console "Confirmed" for E3

[rainbowunicorns]

More powerful than the 360 and PS3?

Could we expect, say, CryEngine 2/3 on the platform? That's something I'd be interested in.

Consoles run the new Crysis (largely because it is less graphically impressive than the first), and the new Nintendo console will be released 7 years after they were. I bloody well hope it can perform on par...

My dream is that this will make Microsoft and Sony release new consoles that can support bigger environments. PC games that are released on console or ported from feel either claustrophobic or same-ey compared to PC-only releases.

 

[funguy2121]

Interested. I reckon they announce it at E3, and release it late 2012, before Microsoft or Sony can get to launch.

What, before 2005? Even if this is true (which it probably isn't, given how this rumour pops up every single year), this is Nintendo joining the current generation, not starting a new one.

Which means Nintendo is launching a new console 5 years after the release of the old ones for a much higher price, with a lower install base.

What? This doesn't make any sense, This isn't Nintendo "joining" the current generation, that was the Wii, which is starting to fail.

Making a more expensive console is how each new generation comes about, what makes you think it will have a lower install base?

Plus, I haven't seen a single article about Nintendo making a next generation console and I've been reading the headlines on this site every day for two years (two years the day after tomorrow)

The Wii is 7th generation in timing only - its hardware (the thing that defines generations) is purely 6th generation. Thus, this will be them finally joining the 7th generation. As such, its launching to compete with the 360 and Ps3. So it will launch with a higher price point and an install base of zero, versus the Ps3 and 360's 55 million by that point.

The timing is what makes the generation, you can't call it a different generation just because they chose not to put expensive hardware in it. The Wii came out to compete with the 360 and PS3, which makes it part of their generation.

Hell, with that logic we could call the N64 not part of the same generation as the PS1 because it was only timing, and was behind in "storage medium" because it used cartridges instead of discs, it would turn the entire cataloger system of generations into a complete clusterfuck.

It hasn't even been announced yet, much less released! This will just be the first console of the next generation, one of them always comes first, just like the 360 came first this generation.

So you're saying that Nintendo's technology is going to be inferior yet again.

So, will they copy the 360 or Ps3?

No, you're thinking of what Sony does..

You mean like how Sony ripped off the Game.Com for the DS? Or how Sony ripped off the dual thumbstick design for the Gamecube?

...wait.....

No, silly, like how Sony ripped off the rumble pack AND ANALOG STICK for the PSOne. Nearly all major control innovations have come from Nintendo.

Someone doesn't know anything about gaming history.

Analog control comes from Atari, Rumble comes from Sega. Nintendo ripped off both.

I'm pretty sure 2D joysticks control is digital. When did rumble "come from Sega?" N64 predated by Dreamcast and Saturn, did it not?

 

[Awexsome]

So... the true successor to the Gamecube? Sign me up if it is.

 

[babinro]

I'm curious if the system will come with a resurgence of games for the 'hardcore' or will it still be heavily garnered towards the mass audience. No reason to get my hopes up until I hear more.

 

[Braedan]

Because despite the claims, we're still seeing amazing end results from the old hardware.

Again, your statement has no counterpoints against abilities of Nintendo to outclass the ps3 in terms of hardware.

 

[Joshimodo]

The Wee Too?

I guess they need to beef up their gear now that both competitors provide the same capabilities and are much more capable. Or, perhaps, they have a new gimmick planned.

Wii: Twin Streams.

 

[dragongit]

awwwwwwww....shit... thats all I can say... now Sony and Microsoft will be pressured into creating new systems, and that means this current generation will be close to and end, and I have to spend another 599 USD in order to keep up... fan bloody tastic.

 

[ProfessorLayton]

Ten bucks says it's Wii3D.

Wow, I was excited until I read that and realized that it's probably exactly what will happen. Apparently, it's more powerful than the 360 and PS3, though, so maybe they'll use it for something other than gimmicks?

Nah.

 

[funguy2121]

Who wants to bet this new console is to the Wii as the Xbox slim was to the Xbox

I doubt it's really the next big generation, probably just an upgrade.

That said, I don't really care anyway, Nintendo is going to have to do something BIG to get my trust back after the Wii, it's like I've been saying for years, they fucked over their stable fanbase for a quick cash in, and now it's starting to hurt them long run.

An upgrade that's more powerful than the 360/PS3? Don't think your analogy really fits.

OT: Glad to hear it. Seeing Nintendo beat them out hardware-wise might convince Sony and Microsoft to get up off their fat asses and stop holding back the industry. By this point Nintendo could easily develop a console which has twice the power of the 360/PS3 and only cost $100 to $150 than they do currently.

Oh right, as for that part, I think it's just plain wrong. There are no hard facts about this console after all.

Think about it, Gamecube vs. Xbox and PS3. N64 vs PS1

When has Nintendo ever had a console more powerful than the other front runners on the market?

N64 was infinitely more powerful than the PSOne. Think about it. How many actually 3 dimensional games did the playstation have? Playing Resident Evil, Metal Gear Solid or Tomb Raider was like getting stuck in a jaggie storm. Walk toward a wall 10 feet away and the thing turns into a dancing Picasso. I know the N64 had lots of fog, but that's just the burden it had to shoulder being the first 3D system ever.

Yes, it was first, if you don't count that other system that was 3d before it. "It was the first 3D system that meets my arbitrary idea of what 3D is instead of the actual definition".

You want fluid 3d movement? Tekken.

My "arbitrary idea" of 3D gaming is gaming in the third dimension, not polygons or prerendered graphics with a 3D look moving in 2-dimensional planes - the latter is what industry journalists and developers refer to as 2 1/2 D. Even fighting games where the arena rotates are still using 2D planes - the character moves toward their opponent or away from them.

Wolfenstein and Doom were 3D simulations, but enemies and objects had no sides or backs, and everything was drawn with pixels, not polygons; the pixels were simply drawn to simulate 3D, like the old Atari game Battlezone.

Super Mario 64 was the start of the camera system, of a true x-y-z axis wherein the processor had to account for all 3 axes (axies?) at the same time. It was buggy, and it doesn't look like much by today's standards, but that (true) analog stick and camera system were the start of true 3D gaming.

I am enjoying the debate, though, so...

/thread

...and I'm not interested in "Search Bar" comments, as I doubt the debate's been had on here recently.

 

[newwiseman]

Interested. I reckon they announce it at E3, and release it late 2012, before Microsoft or Sony can get to launch.

What, before 2005? Even if this is true (which it probably isn't, given how this rumour pops up every single year), this is Nintendo joining the current generation, not starting a new one.

Which means Nintendo is launching a new console 5 years after the release of the old ones for a much higher price, with a lower install base.

What? This doesn't make any sense, This isn't Nintendo "joining" the current generation, that was the Wii, which is starting to fail.

Making a more expensive console is how each new generation comes about, what makes you think it will have a lower install base?

Plus, I haven't seen a single article about Nintendo making a next generation console and I've been reading the headlines on this site every day for two years (two years the day after tomorrow)

The Wii is 7th generation in timing only - its hardware (the thing that defines generations) is purely 6th generation. Thus, this will be them finally joining the 7th generation. As such, its launching to compete with the 360 and Ps3. So it will launch with a higher price point and an install base of zero, versus the Ps3 and 360's 55 million by that point.

The timing is what makes the generation, you can't call it a different generation just because they chose not to put expensive hardware in it. The Wii came out to compete with the 360 and PS3, which makes it part of their generation.

Hell, with that logic we could call the N64 not part of the same generation as the PS1 because it was only timing, and was behind in "storage medium" because it used cartridges instead of discs, it would turn the entire cataloger system of generations into a complete clusterfuck.

It hasn't even been announced yet, much less released! This will just be the first console of the next generation, one of them always comes first, just like the 360 came first this generation.

If you go by processor speed then the PSX(MIPS R3000A-family R3051
@ 33.8688 MHz) and N64 (93.75 MHz NEC VR4300) we're on par, N64 was actually faster, they just backed different mediums and the PS won out by storing way more data, less developer overhead, and 'mature' titles.

The Wii (90 nm SOI CMOS process, reportedly? clocked at 729 MHz[123]) when compaired to the 360 (3.2 GHz PowerPC Tri-Core Xenon) and PS3 (3.2 GHz Cell Broadband Engine with 1 PPE & 7 SPEs) is clearly the weakest of the bunch.

Just for comparison the GameCube had (486 MHz IBM "Gekko" PowerPC CPU), PS2 (64-bit[3][4] "Emotion Engine" clocked at 294.912 MHz ) and Xbox (Custom 733 MHz Intel Pentium III "Coppermine-based" processor).

 

[AstylahAthrys]

I am truly intrigued. If it proves to be awesome,I just might get it. The Wii was fun, but not fun enough for me to buy one, and if this combines fun and power I will look into getting it when it comes out.

Kinda excited now. I still play all my old Nintendo consoles. I was sad that the Wii didn't win me over.

 

[Pilkingtube]

Why does everybody doubt that it'll be more powerful than the other consoles?
The other consoles are pretty old at this point, they're running graphics chipsets that are 4 generations behind current mainstream graphics setups.. I mean, the things you see slapped in your average mid-range laptop are as powerful as the consoles now.

And yet, Uncharted 3.

And how is that an argument against his point?

Because despite the claims, we're still seeing amazing end results from the old hardware.

But I never said that the results were poor, I said that they're significantly old/outdated systems and that traditionally upon launch, consoles are using high-end GPU systems as to set them up for a lifespan without upgrading, much like the PS3 and Xbox360 did. If the new console from Nintendo is a 'traditional' console, then it will not be using a graphics processor that is weaker than what your average laptop can pump out in 2011.

 

[GonzoGamer]

Great.
This shit's going to start again.
That's it.
I'm officially done with consoles.

Have fun suckers.

 

[Wieke]

Why does everybody doubt that it'll be more powerful than the other consoles?
The other consoles are pretty old at this point, they're running graphics chipsets that are 4 generations behind current mainstream graphics setups.. I mean, the things you see slapped in your average mid-range laptop are as powerful as the consoles now.

And yet, Uncharted 3.

And how is that an argument against his point?

Because despite the claims, we're still seeing amazing end results from the old hardware.

The old hardware is still adequate, bot that doesn't make them less old. Nowadays you'd be hard pressed to buy a new non-netbook/tablet computer that isn't way faster than the current consoles. Simply because a single generation of PC hardware is released about every year.

I'm curious what kind of hardware they put in it. The old wii (and xbox360) contained a fair amount of ATI hardware. And the new AMD Fusion (Lhano) chips seem perfect for a console.

 

[RedEyesBlackGamer]

I just got a PS3 and PSP. Sorry Nintendo. I'm done buying platforms for a while.

 

[Penitent]

The new system will boast HD video capabilities, although how it will stand up head-to-head against the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 remains to be seen. The site says it "understands" that Nintendo "is trying to embrace the Western gamer" with the new hardware and thus will likely release it as an all-new brand rather than an overhauled Wii.

This sounds both implausible and natural at the same time. On one hand, to have two different home consoles to target two different audiences sounds like a massive division of resources. On the other, Nintendo can't force the casual market into another generation like they can the core audience.
Then again, I'm inclined to believe that Nintendo can, indeed, afford both. It's very unconventional, but maybe with a strong enough line-up of favoured games (Mario, Star Fox, etc.) then it's hardly a risky bet to support both this console and the Wii.

Just please, Nintendo. Put F-Zero up as a launch title. Get the same team who made GX working on it, or something close. I know you have the money for it.