QFT, I mean really Lucas just leave your IPs alone, you've been killing them slowly ever since Phantom Menace dropped, just stop pleaseLittaly said:
New Star Wars Show Isn't As Far Along As You'd Hope
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Funny story: some friends of mine are having a kid. They had to sit down and have a serious discussion about when and how to have "The Talk". Not birds and bees or drugs and alcohol, but the existence of the Star Wars prequels.
Suffice to say, none of us are excited about a new show.
If anyone has not seen it yet go watch Plinket's review. If you don't understand why so many of us hate the prequels it will give you some insight. If you thought the prequels were bad, it will show you the error of your ways: they are not bad, they are a perfect storm of terrible that will haunt your soul.
Edit: To all the people who say people should stop complaining:
Yes, Lucas has the right to make whatever he wants; it comes with being an artist. Free speech entitles him to that.
We have the right to ***** and moan and mock his work; it comes with being the audience. Free speech entitles us to that.
Suffice to say, none of us are excited about a new show.
If anyone has not seen it yet go watch Plinket's review. If you don't understand why so many of us hate the prequels it will give you some insight. If you thought the prequels were bad, it will show you the error of your ways: they are not bad, they are a perfect storm of terrible that will haunt your soul.
Edit: To all the people who say people should stop complaining:
Yes, Lucas has the right to make whatever he wants; it comes with being an artist. Free speech entitles him to that.
We have the right to ***** and moan and mock his work; it comes with being the audience. Free speech entitles us to that.
Yep. There is a huge internet backlash against Lucas. He deserves it though. There is a smaller backlash against the backlash and that's fine (though I do detect a hint of "I was into hating Lucas before it was cool. Now everyone hates him and I'm so over that."). I just think that Lucas screwed up bigtime and unless he reexamines the problems with his story telling and makes something good we are more than entitled to spread the "Lucas sucks" meme.Hardcore_gamer said:
Anyone else think Lucas needs to be punched in the face until he suffers brain damage, or is it just me?
I would too but I don't think NOW is the right time. Maybe when they finally get the rights from Old man Jenkins though.LobsterFeng said:
The show might not ever be made. One thing to remember that TV shows exist to sell ad space for the TV networks that air them. One of the reasons why brain dead sitcoms, mysteries, and cop shows, all dominate so heavily on TV is because they are cheap to make. A lot of them require paying the actors, street clothes, and maybe some prop guns, along with renting shooting locations. With sitcoms they can do something like rent an apartment and then re-use the same set constantly as like 90% of the action might happen in the living room of the average suburban family or whatever. The point is that they are relatively cheap to make, which means they don't cost much for the networks to buy, and then they can sell advertising space affordably to recoup their losses.
Science fiction TV shows and the like require a lot more work to produce. They need to detail the insides of space ships, make props and furniture that seem like they came from the future, and then every time they want to have someone shoot a ray gun or whatever that costs money to do the FX for it.
Writing scripts for a potential TV show is easy, but as was pointed out with "The Phantom Menace" the number of FX scenes George Lucas wanted was crazy for the time. To do a TV show for "Star Wars" and have it look anything like the movies, is going to come down to spending truckloads of cash, and that means that the show is going to cost the networks a lot, and while the "Star Wars" name might carry some weight for viewership, the bottom line is guys aren't going to want to pay the superbowl rates it might take for the networks to recoup losses.
Even allowing for things like green screen like Sanctuary is using, I admit I have my concerns. I love science fiction and fantasy programming, but it's hard to do for a reason.
To put it bluntly in Star Wars we want to have people shooting off blasters, deflecting blaster bolts, and getting into wild fight scenes, but that might be too much for TV. It's sort of like the problem with trying to do super heroes for TV, they wind up having to develop the shows around nobody doing anything super in most of them, because the FX for using the super powers cost a lot of money, having two super guys fight, and doing it well, is a major money scene for Hollywood, and not the kind of thing TV shows can usually handle, and it really shows with the way they have to juggle the plots. Honestly I think that's part of what killed "Heroes", the plots got increasingly obtuse and the character motives ridiculously less believable to work around the issues of anyone actually doing anything that would take FX money.
Science fiction TV shows and the like require a lot more work to produce. They need to detail the insides of space ships, make props and furniture that seem like they came from the future, and then every time they want to have someone shoot a ray gun or whatever that costs money to do the FX for it.
Writing scripts for a potential TV show is easy, but as was pointed out with "The Phantom Menace" the number of FX scenes George Lucas wanted was crazy for the time. To do a TV show for "Star Wars" and have it look anything like the movies, is going to come down to spending truckloads of cash, and that means that the show is going to cost the networks a lot, and while the "Star Wars" name might carry some weight for viewership, the bottom line is guys aren't going to want to pay the superbowl rates it might take for the networks to recoup losses.
Even allowing for things like green screen like Sanctuary is using, I admit I have my concerns. I love science fiction and fantasy programming, but it's hard to do for a reason.
To put it bluntly in Star Wars we want to have people shooting off blasters, deflecting blaster bolts, and getting into wild fight scenes, but that might be too much for TV. It's sort of like the problem with trying to do super heroes for TV, they wind up having to develop the shows around nobody doing anything super in most of them, because the FX for using the super powers cost a lot of money, having two super guys fight, and doing it well, is a major money scene for Hollywood, and not the kind of thing TV shows can usually handle, and it really shows with the way they have to juggle the plots. Honestly I think that's part of what killed "Heroes", the plots got increasingly obtuse and the character motives ridiculously less believable to work around the issues of anyone actually doing anything that would take FX money.
I think that whenever a story appears that details George Lucas' involvement in anything new to do with Star Wars there should be a guy who stands up and holds up a giant prompt card that says "cue Lucas bashing" or "Lucas raped my childhood" or "Lucas is a money-grabbing whore who's just milking the cash cow" etc. All the dissenters are just so pathetically predictable in their responses, and might I add, incredibly over-dramatic, that such comments have lost all previous power or potency they might have ever had.
Lucas didn't "rape your childhood" when he released the Special Editions or the Prequels, or the Clone Wars animated series, if anyone you raped your childhood by letting these things bother you so much. I'm not saying you weren't right or wrong to be disappointed or critical; that's for each of us to decide for themselves, but don't project this tirade of hate toward a man who created what he wanted (whether the end product was good or bad) with his own money and his own drive just because you didn't like the result. I might not like something but that doesn't mean I'm going to passionately hate it's creator. You lose all credibility with such comments because your criticisms seem to be based in emotion and not reason.
If any dissenters out there aren't interested in being disappointed again then I suggest they don't watch this TV show when it eventually gets made. Not because I think it will be bad (though that may be a possibility) but because if it is good Star Wars, I'm not sure if they'd be able to overcome their previous prejudices against Lucas and look at it in an objective light (which is naturally hard to do when your a fan).
Still, judging from some of these comments from apparent fans, I wonder if they've actually liked anything since 1983's Return of the Jedi, and even then some of them would be hatin' on the Ewoks. If that is the case then I'd seriously question your apparent claim to being a fan of the Star Wars the universe and not just a fan of three (or two) movies that came out in the 70's and 80's and maybe a few video games. I'm not judging whether your a fan or not, how the hell would I know based upon just one or two sentences, I'm just wondering if you know whether your a fan or not and what it means to be a fan of something.
Ah sometimes I wonder why I bother, after all, as Jonathan Swift is quoted as saying "You can't reason somebody out of something they were never reasoned into". You got that right Johnny Boy, you got that right.
Lucas didn't "rape your childhood" when he released the Special Editions or the Prequels, or the Clone Wars animated series, if anyone you raped your childhood by letting these things bother you so much. I'm not saying you weren't right or wrong to be disappointed or critical; that's for each of us to decide for themselves, but don't project this tirade of hate toward a man who created what he wanted (whether the end product was good or bad) with his own money and his own drive just because you didn't like the result. I might not like something but that doesn't mean I'm going to passionately hate it's creator. You lose all credibility with such comments because your criticisms seem to be based in emotion and not reason.
If any dissenters out there aren't interested in being disappointed again then I suggest they don't watch this TV show when it eventually gets made. Not because I think it will be bad (though that may be a possibility) but because if it is good Star Wars, I'm not sure if they'd be able to overcome their previous prejudices against Lucas and look at it in an objective light (which is naturally hard to do when your a fan).
Still, judging from some of these comments from apparent fans, I wonder if they've actually liked anything since 1983's Return of the Jedi, and even then some of them would be hatin' on the Ewoks. If that is the case then I'd seriously question your apparent claim to being a fan of the Star Wars the universe and not just a fan of three (or two) movies that came out in the 70's and 80's and maybe a few video games. I'm not judging whether your a fan or not, how the hell would I know based upon just one or two sentences, I'm just wondering if you know whether your a fan or not and what it means to be a fan of something.
Ah sometimes I wonder why I bother, after all, as Jonathan Swift is quoted as saying "You can't reason somebody out of something they were never reasoned into". You got that right Johnny Boy, you got that right.
All I've heard about this show is its about a bounty hunter, and Lucas is leading the writing team. Nothing else. I don't think even Lucas in his most senile day can screw up a Star Wars bounty hunter story, but I could be wrong.
However, if it strictly appeals towards children like Clone Wars I will pass anyways. I like my bounty hunters grim and gritty. Having innocent sidekicks is fine for contrast, but lets not forget its about a person who makes a living capturing people (or corpses) against their will regardless of if they deserve it morally or not.
However, if it strictly appeals towards children like Clone Wars I will pass anyways. I like my bounty hunters grim and gritty. Having innocent sidekicks is fine for contrast, but lets not forget its about a person who makes a living capturing people (or corpses) against their will regardless of if they deserve it morally or not.
Likewise. I can understand that there are people who don't like the prequels. People who have this absurd hatred of Lucas to the point of wishing him physical harm or who have a need to outright deny the existence of the prequels all together, not so much.awsome117 said:
But I'll make again the statement I've made many times before. I admire the fact that Lucas has managed to maintain control of the Star Wars franchise and used the success of the series in ways that are also positive rather than letting someone else (such as 20th Century Fox) take control of the franchise or wasting all his money away. For example, he's given us Industrial Light and Magic, and can you imagine how many films that helped make possible via their special effects wizardry?
But again, the fact is that he's achieved a feat that countless other filmmakers can only dream about - he actually owns this multi-million (or is it billion) dollar series that he created. That's something you can't say about numerous other creators or their series. Think about it. And then think about how things might be even worse if Lucas didn't own Star Wars. Rather than just getting the prequels, we might have been subject to yet another trilogy by this point. Or worse, a re-make of the original movies. You think the prequels are bad? Imagine someone trying to re-boot the series in its entirety. At least we can have a reasonably safe expectation that Lucas won't go that far.
But personally, I'm worried that's just what might happen when Lucas is sadly and inevitably no longer with us and a company like Fox or Disney or Sony or whoever does their darndest to get control of this insanely popular series.
You wish Lucas would loose control of Star Wars?
Be careful what you wish for. You might not like how the wish turns out.
