New US ISP sanctioned/controlled piracy database will mean the end to internet privacy.

[Smooth Operator]

Ben Franklin.

He really knew the ins and outs of the internet. He was really in the loop.

EDIT: Wasn't the term he used 'liberty' tho? Not that you think there's a difference between a country during a revolution, and internet pirates.

Are you just playing the ignorance card for the sake of silly arguments or are you unwilling to see the anti-piracy label is put on this simply so they can sell information control (which I hopefully don't need to point out is highly illegal).

Or let's make the outline a bit clearer, at what degree would you actually object to loss of freedom?

 

[KaiserKnight]

Isn't it true that some amendments and laws are invalid with the online world? Since you sign or agree with the terms of use with your ISP you typically give up your rights now that you are part of a private contract in a way. Its like when people cheat or mod on Xbox live and try to bring the law into it, you agreed to their terms so its their rules. Unless the ISPs everywhere disagree this can be done or they will not do it since people might go to other means of getting internet some how.

 

[XT inc]

People march when they try and bring healthy food into kids schools, you think once word gets round that they are planning this they won't be up in arms.

 

[Evilsanta]

Wow, There is no way that can pass. The shitstorm that would come after that would be freaking massive.

Though I live in Sweden so this won't afftect me...Yet.

 

[Sizzle Montyjing]

Glad i don't live in the US, anyway, you guys should definetly riot about thi- oh wait.
You'll be gunned down.

Exactly why you shouldn't give too much power to your government.
Anyway this still sucks, hope my government don't pull something like this.

(P.S i know SOMEONE is going to go 'uhhhhh... WRONG.' on my comment but i just don't care...)

 

[kebab4you]

Glad i don't live in the US, anyway, you guys should definetly riot about thi- oh wait.
You'll be gunned down.

Exactly why you shouldn't give too much power to your government.
Anyway this still sucks, hope my government don't pull something like this.

(P.S i know SOMEONE is going to go 'uhhhhh... WRONG.' on my comment but i just don't care...)

Being the US, yes. They will most likely bully other countries/broadband providers into shutting off users they don't like.

 

[Uncreation]

Private companies getting ahold of your private security details? No. . . No worries m8. Its all cool.

Nope. None at all. I'm not doing anything incriminating, so why should it bother me? The only reason you WOULD get bothered is if those details implicated you in something.

I disagree completely. I don't pirate software nor do I condone it and this news bothers me. I value my privacy and believe that as long as I'm not breaking a law, my thoughts and actions are my own and I maintain the right to control who knows them. I also value your privacy and your rights. Even if a download is 100% legal, it will be tracked and that's not right. More and more of our lives are conducted online and that will continue. Our computers are akin to our homes now. Unless the police have a credible reason that a crime is being committed in my home they need a search warrant to enter, and it takes credible suspicion to obtain a search warrant. The more we allow our rights and privacy to be whittled away, the more the authorities will want to take. We need a law protecting our online homes.

It slows down your browsing, but check out the Tor Browser. It was developed for use in countries where internet use is restricted. As with most things it can be used for "bad", but the intent of it is for freedom of thought and speech.

Very well said. I was going to argue that by Stall's logic people should be ok with the police raiding their homes once a month, to search for illegal activities/items, because as long as you're not doing anything wrong you have nothing to fear. But since you already used the example i'll just give you a "This" to refrain from posting something that's already been said.

This is planed to be just in the US, right? I mean, at least for the time being.

 

[RagnaThePig]

It looks like what they have been trying, and failing, to do in France for a couple years.

 

[Smooth Operator]

People march when they try and bring healthy food into kids schools, you think once word gets round that they are planning this they won't be up in arms.

Oh you would be surprised, you put the right spin on it: "only protecting you from evil evil pirates, who are evil!"
And people will buy anything, no shortage of those on this site alone now imagine the general public that understand this only very vaguely.

 

[yuval152]

Could someone explain to me in eaiser words?my english isn't very good.

 

[Uncreation]

I don't see the internet as a God given right, and the 'Freedom of Information' BS just pisses me off as an excuse for piracy.

I say this is a great step in the fight against the spoiled internet thief.

You're right, please post your full name, social security number, home phone number, address, birthday, and mother maiden name . . . . . that is unless you have something to hide.

As soon as I infringe on copyrights, via file sharing, I will!

But I don't, so I won't : P

What? Why not now? Obviously you have nothing to hide, so why not post it up so that we can all use it as we see wish?

Wait, what's that? You like your privacy? Now that isn't right. Only pirates and people who have something to hide need privacy.

1) The people who pirate, and would be watched by this, would not have their personal info up for grabs for everyone under the net to see.

2) Dickhead hacker/spammer/wannabes take that info and troll people. So I don't want any 'anonymous' types to have it. So I won't post my info here.

3)-'Only pirates and people who have something to hide need privacy.'- Your blanket statement is funny.

3) That's pretty much what you said when you said that as long as you aren't doing anything illegal this shouldn't bother you.

 

[Kopikatsu]

Boohoo, private companies will have access to some of your information in an effort to curb piracy. It's not like they don't already have that information. Everyone with a social networking site account willingly gave it up. Any information you give to the government is semi-public record. (Companies can pull information from the DMV and such, don't think individuals can though). You'd be surprised at what I can pull up with just your Escapist username and five minutes on Google.

People are getting worked up about nothing. If you want to talk about Orwellian whatevers, then you're much too late. I'm not sure about other places, but where I live in the US, there is literally 4-8 cameras on EVERY street corner. As for how I feel about that, see the above picture.

Companies/Government doesn't give a damn about your grandmother's super awesome recipe for chocolate chip cookies. Someone isn't going to sift through your personal information for shits and giggles.

People need to accept that fact that nobody cares about your private life. It's so amazingly unimportant. Nobody wants to know what you do every Thursday at 5PM. Unless it's illegal. Then they want to know, because they can make money off that.

 

[Echo136]

Private companies getting ahold of your private security details? No. . . No worries m8. Its all cool.

Nope. None at all. I'm not doing anything incriminating, so why should it bother me? The only reason you WOULD get bothered is if those details implicated you in something.

I dont want the ISP's to know my phone number, my families names and locations. The worth of my house. My email address. Yada yada yada, and so on. Without my consent.

No, Im not against people watching pirates. The Protect IP as such cut internet from people downloading illigaly. Why should they have the ability to cut internet.. From everyone, nomatter what they are downloading?

If you are paying your bill to your ISP, they should already know your phone number, credit card/checking account number, email address, and location. How else are they gonna send you bills and actually give you your services. Thats pretty much a given. How much more private information could they possibly need from you that would be compromising short of social security. People are all up in arms about keeping their privacy, and yet you take a look at Facebook, Twitter, and any other social networking site and they give it up WILLINGLY. The subject of privacy on the internet is laughable.

 

[Irony's Acolyte]

I don't see the internet as a God given right, and the 'Freedom of Information' BS just pisses me off as an excuse for piracy.

I say this is a great step in the fight against the spoiled internet thief.

You're right, please post your full name, social security number, home phone number, address, birthday, and mother maiden name . . . . . that is unless you have something to hide.

As soon as I infringe on copyrights, via file sharing, I will!

But I don't, so I won't : P

What? Why not now? Obviously you have nothing to hide, so why not post it up so that we can all use it as we see wish?

Wait, what's that? You like your privacy? Now that isn't right. Only pirates and people who have something to hide need privacy.

1) The people who pirate, and would be watched by this, would not have their personal info up for grabs for everyone under the net to see.

2) Dickhead hacker/spammer/wannabes take that info and troll people. So I don't want any 'anonymous' types to have it. So I won't post my info here.

3)-'Only pirates and people who have something to hide need privacy.'- Your blanket statement is funny.

But isn't that the point that so many people are making? If you don't have anything to hide that's illegal, they why do you mind losing your privacy?

 

[Kair]

I don't see the internet as a God given right, and the 'Freedom of Information' BS just pisses me off (as an excuse for piracy).

I say this is a great step in the fight against the spoiled internet thief.

You can keep posting this as many times as you want and you are never going to get anyone on your side...

OT: Pretty ridiculous, but it seems like a rumor right now. We'll have to wait and see.

So 'your side' would be that the internet is a God given right, 'Freedom of Information' should allow piracy of games, movies, ect, and that fighting internet piracy is bad.

Glad we know each other better : )

People like you have existed all through history but never get any recognition unless they do something really dumb like Anders Breivik just did. The reason is that you are only an insignificant obstacle. Given enough time, people like me will win. All people like you can do is slow things down, like the plantation owners did to the abolition movement.

Okay, what exactly are you 'winning'?

EDIT: Never mind, you are comparing me to a terrorist. Have a nice day comrade.

People like you come in many forms. I also compared you to slave owners, because I was not comparing methods but agendas.

 

[Ken Sapp]

Isn't it true that some amendments and laws are invalid with the online world? Since you sign or agree with the terms of use with your ISP you typically give up your rights now that you are part of a private contract in a way. Its like when people cheat or mod on Xbox live and try to bring the law into it, you agreed to their terms so its their rules. Unless the ISPs everywhere disagree this can be done or they will not do it since people might go to other means of getting internet some how.

Actually, any contract terms which are in breach of law are found to be invalid every time it has come up in court so far. As for modding your XBox, PS3 or other hardware... It is completely legal for you to do so, just as it is completely legal for MS and Sony to bar you from using their online services with modded hardware. The place where modding becomes illegal is when you are circumventing digital copy protection to do so as that is illegal under the DMCA(which itself needs to be overturned).

Internet service is a utility and as a utility the providers don't have the right to tell you how you are able to use it, but they are allowed to determine how much they will sell you at what cost. The electric company can not tell you how many refrigerators you can have plugged in but they can say how many KW/Hrs they will sell you each month. The big problem with this when it comes to ISPs is that they sell "unlimited" plans and/or obfuscate the fact that there is a bandwidth cap and/or what that cap is.