New Vegas: Why Join the Legion?

[CharrHearted]

Join a faction? .... Hahahahaha.. JOIN A FACTION?! HAHAHAHAHA!

Ha...haha...Ha...

Since every single group is corrupt, the only way I sought to put the world right was the complete annihilation of them all and enforce the mojave the right way, my way :3

Sounds a bit egotistical, But there WASN'T another choice for me. They all had to die...

.... oh yes and ofcourse to see this bit of juicy action...


BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

 

[silver wolf009]

The sad thing about New Vegas is that neither the NCR or Legion can hold the Mojave due to the tunnelers from the divide in lonesome road.

Way to make us all feel bad man. Here we were, all about to have this nice big punch up at Hoover Dam, and then, BAM! You come in, and are all like, "Lizard Men Things are here for our Women and Land now."

Imagine what you've done to No-Bark.

 

[Sandernista]

1. What do you want me to call them? Muskets, rifles, carbines? A lot of the names came from that era. Hell, Carbines are shorter rifles originally developed for cavalry. Does that mean I should call them "Car-muskets?" Hell no. Secondly, yes they did use firing lines. The firing lines were meant to fire after the other line fired, it was meant to keep rate of fire up.

Most of them were muskets, very few were actually rifles. I also never said they didn't use firing lines, but it was clearly not the only way to be able to hit a target. Didn't you ever learn about the revolutionary war?

3. Yes, army requirements have gotten continually smaller. The reason you have countries like the US have a 1 million soldiers is because somehow we "need" it

This is incorrect. The reason we have such a large standing army is because of the realities following both world wars.

4. Standardization in idea, but techniques and quality weren't. You forget there weren't factories for this stuff, they are hand made. There are times when actual armor was so rare, it was passed from generation to generation.

You are wrong. Standardization of weapons and armor was fairly easy using molds and similar techniques. It wasn't fast, or perfect, but it was close. Armor was only that rare more than 3000 years ago.

5. Standing armies weren't a thing 400 years ago? Standing armies go all the way back to Rome, and even the Ottomans had a standing army. Its only the term "standing army" that is 400 years old.

Standing armies were not a thing among the great powers. The reason powers like the Ottoman Turks, or the Prussians stood out due to military might is (in part) because they adopted professional soldiers. You are 100% wrong when you say armies have gotten smaller.

 

[Mert Matthews]

Since i finished the game years ago i have been thinking, why would anyone would want to join those lunatics? I also would like to add they are as much roman as Cthulhu. Rome almost worshipped science and development untill it collapsed under its own lazy ass. The architecture, employing greatest minds and ballistas, scorpios, Onagers, Water ducts and so much more. These guys are a walking insult to Rome and only logical thing i could do is to accept ceasars invitation, talk philosophy with him,smart guy and actually trying to change the legion but his ego and bullshit is just too much, then pull out a Minigun and massacre the damn place.

I Disagree with ideals of NCR because look around you and what your democracy did to you. Then House said something along the lines of "If you want to see what democracy and old world ideas accomplished, look through the window. So NCR is slowly progressing cancer while Legion are bunch of retards with machetes lodged in their heads. Yes-Man is the anarchy route which is dumb because on my 2nd play through i went with him and since i was planning to take over vegas, for RP reasons i gathered enough armor, weapons, caps, ammo, food to house a friggin army and march on NCR. Turns out, nope, you gotta leave them in the end resulting in anarchy so, so much for that...

 

[johntheescapist]

The sad thing about New Vegas is that neither the NCR or Legion can hold the Mojave due to the tunnelers from the divide in lonesome road.

Way to make us all feel bad man. Here we were, all about to have this nice big punch up at Hoover Dam, and then, BAM! You come in, and are all like, "Lizard Men Things are here for our Women and Land now."

Imagine what you've done to No-Bark.

I mean hey don't blame me, the developers undercut the vanilla game with the tunnelers and Lonesome Road not me. After you learn about the tunnelers in game it makes you think, "well why even put in a Legion ending?" if they are just going to lose to to a bunch of deathclaw killing wack a moles?

 

[silver wolf009]

The sad thing about New Vegas is that neither the NCR or Legion can hold the Mojave due to the tunnelers from the divide in lonesome road.

Way to make us all feel bad man. Here we were, all about to have this nice big punch up at Hoover Dam, and then, BAM! You come in, and are all like, "Lizard Men Things are here for our Women and Land now."

Imagine what you've done to No-Bark.

I mean hey don't blame me, the developers undercut the vanilla game with the tunnelers and Lonesome Road not me. After you learn about the tunnelers in game it makes you think, "well why even put in a Legion ending?" if they are just going to lose to to a bunch of deathclaw killing wack a moles?

Presumably we'll get a another squeal, Fallout: Gears of War, where the last remaining vestiages of society cling to the rocky mountains the Tunnelers cannot penetrate, while they ravage the world once more, sinking cities with a giant worm!


Captcha: Hobby-Horse.

 

[Gonztah]

1. What do you want me to call them? Muskets, rifles, carbines? A lot of the names came from that era. Hell, Carbines are shorter rifles originally developed for cavalry. Does that mean I should call them "Car-muskets?" Hell no. Secondly, yes they did use firing lines. The firing lines were meant to fire after the other line fired, it was meant to keep rate of fire up.

Most of them were muskets, very few were actually rifles. I also never said they didn't use firing lines, but it was clearly not the only way to be able to hit a target. Didn't you ever learn about the revolutionary war?

3. Yes, army requirements have gotten continually smaller. The reason you have countries like the US have a 1 million soldiers is because somehow we "need" it

This is incorrect. The reason we have such a large standing army is because of the realities following both world wars.

4. Standardization in idea, but techniques and quality weren't. You forget there weren't factories for this stuff, they are hand made. There are times when actual armor was so rare, it was passed from generation to generation.

You are wrong. Standardization of weapons and armor was fairly easy using molds and similar techniques. It wasn't fast, or perfect, but it was close. Armor was only that rare more than 3000 years ago.

5. Standing armies weren't a thing 400 years ago? Standing armies go all the way back to Rome, and even the Ottomans had a standing army. Its only the term "standing army" that is 400 years old.

Standing armies were not a thing among the great powers. The reason powers like the Ottoman Turks, or the Prussians stood out due to military might is (in part) because they adopted professional soldiers. You are 100% wrong when you say armies have gotten smaller.

Well, armies today are unnecessarily big, also compared to the ratio of army to other people I'd take a guess they're smaller than what they used to be. (Don't flip your shit if I'm wrong, it's just a guess). Also define great powers and at which time, to my knowledge standing armies have been a thing since the Romans (Like Twinkie said.)

 

[Virgilthepagan]

Think you've got it mostly on the nose. The one detail I'd add is how dependent the whole Legion model is on Caesar. While he's a perfectly competent general and a fantastic leader of men, he has few contingencies in place for keeping the legion going. Think of him as a Luddite Augustus, then remember what we how well his successors turned out. The likes of Nero and Caligula wouldn't be more than a generation or two away from leading the Legion themselves. Any security the legion might've offered in its safe zones is contingent on Caesar remaining alive, which his brain tumor already casts into doubt...

 

[Paradoxrifts]

The problem with the NCR is that their greatest military minds have probably realised by now that a legendary warrior will always arise right about the time that something else is about to pop out of the wasteland and utterly eradicate them from existence. Having the canon player character be on your side constantly ensures that they can get by on a shoe string military budget.

 

[AgDr_ODST]

I only 'joined' the legion one time after Caesar sent Vulpes to give me his Mark after I had dealt with Benny and that was only for the achievements and to see how the paths branched in the game. I decided at the very beginning once the factions were established to give both groups a fair shake but I was immediately disgusted by Caesar's vision and his brutality..and I also didn't like how he and all of his followers sneered at my female character and I suspected that once I was done playing legionnaire for him and in effect winning the legions war in the Mojave for him he'd completely and utterly screw my character over. I did like the design of the legion and how the historical aspect that inspires Caesar translates over to their methodology, hierarchy and tactics..but I still destroy them with gusto every time.

 

[Randomperson9999999]

I was neutral to begin with but ended up siding with the legion. The NCR and Vegas factions were all simply too corrupt. The Legion had a purpose and strength and didn't pretend it was something it wasn't like the others.

 

[fornever1]

why not join the legion? they have everything a wasteland survivor needs:
shiny coins (even shinier then bottle caps)
less rights (always a plus)
less technology (medical equipment? who needs it!)
a government that will collapse without its top two leaders (but there's no way they could die right?)
crucifixions (nice family event)
most of the characters you like will be kill/ made into slave( who needs them right?)
slavery (who needs dating when you can buy a wife?)

JOIN THE LEGION TODAY!(not that you'll have a choice....)

 

[Alduin Silas]

Join a faction? .... Hahahahaha.. JOIN A FACTION?! HAHAHAHAHA!

Ha...haha...Ha...

Since every single group is corrupt, the only way I sought to put the world right was the complete annihilation of them all and enforce the mojave the right way, my way :3

Sounds a bit egotistical, But there WASN'T another choice for me. They all had to die...

.... oh yes and ofcourse to see this bit of juicy action...


BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

I will admit that my first two plsythroughs were Mr House and Independent, in that order, and having played both to the end, side quests aside, I really don't like Yes-Man. Sure, the idea of ruling the Mojave sounds cool, but Yes-Man's comment about reprogramming suggests that Mr House had more than a couple Plan B's. This is the guy who sent the player a venomous obituary after he had died, so keeping a "take-over and control" fallback in the securitrons sounds extremely likely, and I doubt any Courier could withstand an entire army of Securitrons.

Suffice it to say, I'd prefer House. NCR, as has already been talked about, are stretched far too thin, I was too inwardly moral to go with Legion, and Yes-Man gave me goosebumps. At least House could be trusted to act humanly.

 

[Mert Matthews]

I will admit that my first two plsythroughs were Mr House and Independent, in that order, and having played both to the end, side quests aside, I really don't like Yes-Man. Sure, the idea of ruling the Mojave sounds cool, but Yes-Man's comment about reprogramming suggests that Mr House had more than a couple Plan B's. This is the guy who sent the player a venomous obituary after he had died, so keeping a "take-over and control" fallback in the securitrons sounds extremely likely, and I doubt any Courier could withstand an entire army of Securitrons.

Suffice it to say, I'd prefer House. NCR, as has already been talked about, are stretched far too thin, I was too inwardly moral to go with Legion, and Yes-Man gave me goosebumps. At least House could be trusted to act humanly.[/quote]

Join a faction? .... Hahahahaha.. JOIN A FACTION?! HAHAHAHAHA!

Ha...haha...Ha...

Since every single group is corrupt, the only way I sought to put the world right was the complete annihilation of them all and enforce the mojave the right way, my way :3

Sounds a bit egotistical, But there WASN'T another choice for me. They all had to die...

.... oh yes and ofcourse to see this bit of juicy action...


BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

I will admit that my first two plsythroughs were Mr House and Independent, in that order, and having played both to the end, side quests aside, I really don't like Yes-Man. Sure, the idea of ruling the Mojave sounds cool, but Yes-Man's comment about reprogramming suggests that Mr House had more than a couple Plan B's. This is the guy who sent the player a venomous obituary after he had died, so keeping a "take-over and control" fallback in the securitrons sounds extremely likely, and I doubt any Courier could withstand an entire army of Securitrons.

Suffice it to say, I'd prefer House. NCR, as has already been talked about, are stretched far too thin, I was too inwardly moral to go with Legion, and Yes-Man gave me goosebumps. At least House could be trusted to act humanly.

You see, Securitrons are machines and so are the power armors. Which both have 1 fatal flaw, they are weak against EMP. By that i am talking about Elijah's advanced LAER, seriously, at my first play through the main reason i didn't join Mr. House was because i know those kind of people and the moment they are done with you they will kill you. UNTILL I found the weapon that 1-2 shots securitrons and anything that wears metals with LAER. So that is pretty much the security, when that is done there is simply no reason not to join Mr. House.

NCR, inefficient democratic cretins also wasn't the democracy what caused the fallout?

Legion, nice dresses but no tech, no Courier. Seriously though lets say Legion did defeat NCR then what? What is it going to do against BoS of Midwest? or against anyone with some decent tech? Or simply if ceasar dies?

Yes-man, supposed to be courier takes over or atleast thats what i understood but nope, its anarchy. We know how good that sounds right?

 

[Alduin Silas]

Hmm

Join a faction? .... Hahahahaha.. JOIN A FACTION?! HAHAHAHAHA!

Ha...haha...Ha...

Since every single group is corrupt, the only way I sought to put the world right was the complete annihilation of them all and enforce the mojave the right way, my way :3

Sounds a bit egotistical, But there WASN'T another choice for me. They all had to die...

.... oh yes and ofcourse to see this bit of juicy action...


BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

I will admit that my first two plsythroughs were Mr House and Independent, in that order, and having played both to the end, side quests aside, I really don't like Yes-Man. Sure, the idea of ruling the Mojave sounds cool, but Yes-Man's comment about reprogramming suggests that Mr House had more than a couple Plan B's. This is the guy who sent the player a venomous obituary after he had died, so keeping a "take-over and control" fallback in the securitrons sounds extremely likely, and I doubt any Courier could withstand an entire army of Securitrons.

Suffice it to say, I'd prefer House. NCR, as has already been talked about, are stretched far too thin, I was too inwardly moral to go with Legion, and Yes-Man gave me goosebumps. At least House could be trusted to act humanly.

You see, Securitrons are machines and so are the power armors. Which both have 1 fatal flaw, they are weak against EMP. By that i am talking about Elijah's advanced LAER, seriously, at my first play through the main reason i didn't join Mr. House was because i know those kind of people and the moment they are done with you they will kill you. UNTILL I found the weapon that 1-2 shots securitrons and anything that wears metals with LAER. So that is pretty much the security, when that is done there is simply no reason not to join Mr. House.

NCR, inefficient democratic cretins also wasn't the democracy what caused the fallout?

Legion, nice dresses but no tech, no Courier. Seriously though lets say Legion did defeat NCR then what? What is it going to do against BoS of Midwest? or against anyone with some decent tech? Or simply if ceasar dies?

Yes-man, supposed to be courier takes over or atleast thats what i understood but nope, its anarchy. We know how good that sounds right?

I never got any of the DLC for the game, like Kurtjmac I prefer to the vanilla versions of everything, so I didn't get hold of the super-tech like the LAER, which is probably reason 1 I distrusted the Securitrons more, even though I had the AM Rifle and was quite good with it. But yes, unless you power grind everything to improve NCR's worth, it was always Mr House for me.

 

[Xakk Zeliff]

It's simple. You join up with Caesar's legion if you want to kill the most people. It makes sense from a gameplay perspective; if you want to play it like a linear video game, running through levels like a genocidal cloud of ammunition, Caesar has work for you. His missions mostly play out like a standard shooter: sending you into enemy bases to murder everyone you see. Even the ones not given by Caesar directly end almost uniformly in bunches of murder. Anyone Caesar doesn't want to murder, possibly excluding one faction, he is already working with, or has no interest in. That's why Caesar's story is the shortest in the game. Meanwhile the end battle is much longer, for double your slaughtering pleasure. Not to mention that when siding with legion, eventually a good portion of the Mojave becomes hostile. If you see everything in the game as a test of how well you can cause them to die, you should pick Caesar.
The real question is why there wasn't a proper neutral ending, with you fighting off both sides, instead of playing through the 'good' final battle with a different ending. I'm sure House could have dreamed up some ace in the hole to give you an unfair advantage against all the forces at the dam, in true style, leaving you to power through it in Wild Card in whatever fashion you can come up with.