NIntendo Apologizes For Exclusion Of Gays From Tomodachi Life

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Faustek said:
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the hidden eagle said:
Bravely default is only on the 3DS which makes it a Nintendo IP.Just like how back in the day Metal Gear Solid was a Sony IP despite being made by Konami who is third party.
This is one of the wierdest arguments I've ever heard. DayZ is only on microsoft windows, does that make it a Microsoft IP? God the Nintendo fans are really reaching today. 3DS is a system that has a lot of exclusive games because of it's specific hardware as a handheld. That does not make Nintendo responsible for those IPs existing.
What about Dragon Quest then? PlayStation, Nintendo, PC and iOS/Android. Is it cthulhu?

On topic. Glad they responded but I don't trust it. If they decide to create a new installment? Hell I'm still waiting so I can be black in AC. And that is easier but still not happening. Nah walk the walk and I'll consider coming back. Until then its just bs.
buy AC3 Liberation is you want to be black in AC, there is also that DLC that became standalone for AC IV.
 

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Keiichi Morisato said:
buy AC3 Liberation is you want to be black in AC, there is also that DLC that became standalone for AC IV.
He was most likely referring to Animal Crossing, not Assassin's Creed.
 

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DrOswald said:
Nintendo may have made a misstep here, but they have a history of doing well in this area.
Well Nintendo of Japan does, definitely not Nintendo of America. NoA has been infamous for censoring many things in localization. For one, the Vivian thing was changed in the US only saying that Vivian is female, while in the Spanish, Italian, and Japanese version it mentions that she's a trans woman. Same thing with Birdo in all manuals. NoA has been getting better though over the years, but they still have a ways to go.

But they aren't the only North American group to censor out homosexuality in games when being localized. Sony Computer Entertainment America has done it too with Monkey Yellow from the Ape Escape series, although that might have been more because he sorta goes after younger boys and SCEA didn't want the idea of child pedophilia going around...
But they didn't censor it out in the European localization and the Japanese versions, and anime, show it.

And to chime in on the Bravely Default IP, Square Enix owns it fully in Japan, but co-owns it around the world. Nintendo co-developed it when it was being localized worldwide. Remember that "nonscandal" when it came to how some of the females were clothed? That's what Nintendo helped with. In Japan, the original game was entirely created and developed by Silicon Studios and published by Square Enix, so they own the IP fully in Japan, but it's co-owned in North America and PAL regions. Confusing yes, but that's how it's currently split up.

OT: Nice for Nintendo to be speedy in a response to this. While I do support same sex marriage, the "all or nothing" attitude always makes me sad. However, because Nintendo had included heterosexual couples in the game to begin with, they would have had to choose a side in this either way. Sweeping it under the rug and trying to not pick a side would have worked if they didn't include heterosexual couples, but because it did Nintendo set themselves up for failure in that regard. I hope the next game has the ability to have same-sex couples, and hope that everyone learns from this.
 

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Thing is, you can't claim to be neutral and then have heterosexual relationships while excluding homosexual ones. If they were actually aiming to truly be neutral, there wouldn't be any present in the game in the first place. People are saying its wrong to make this a "with us or against us" scenario, but, well, thats exactly what it is. Somebody started a movement with Nintendo to ask for inclusion of homosexual relationships. They attempted to give a cop out, that they're "reviewing feedback", and made a non-committal and refused to give a yes/no answer. That wouldn't mean anything if it weren't for the fact that heterosexual relationships already present in the game.
thaluikhain said:
Well...there isn't a middle ground, though. Once you've put heterosexual relationships into your thing, you can either decide to exclude homosexuals ones, or include them. Both are taking a stance on the issue.

Having said that, you can dodge the issue by not allowing heterosexual relationships to begin with. Remember the good old days, when all lego faces were bright yellow with simple black smiley faces with no noses? Totally avoided all sorts of issues then.
omega 616 said:
The lack of a statement, is in of itself a statement if you didn't want to have backlash over something, don't make it ... art is sometimes controversial. You made a game in which you could have relationships with the opposite sex but not the same sex, that is a statement! One that might have been unintentional but it is one.
First of all, just to MarsAtlas, you really need to take a step back, reread EVERYTHING, and then reevaluate your opinion starting from a neutral standpoint, because not only did your comment show that you don't really know what happened in the first place, you're so god damn set in stone into one side of an argument that there's no reason for anyone to listen to you, or to bother offering a debate to you.

To everyone, There is a middle ground, and Nintendo took it. The lack of a statement is exactly the lack of a statement. The three of you are just reacting immaturely to the entire affair. Especially by saying that the statement is still a statement despite being unintentional. If we follow that logic, then my mother made a racist and homophobic statement by falling for someone who's a white male instead of a black female. She didn't intend to offend anyone by it, but it's apparently still a statement.

You can CHOOSE to believe that having heterosexual relations without having homosexual relations is anti-gay propaganda, but that's just you misinterpreting it. Choosing to get up in arms over nothing is why people don't take certain debates seriously. Let's take feminism as an example. Some people mistake the meaning of feminism due to certain feminists seeking women's superiority in places where there's already women's equality. None of you are helping the problem of anti-homosexuality by grabbing your pitchforks because of a small error.

Besides. Selective hate is seriously harming the credibility of all of you. You're all showing that you simply want to jump on a bandwagon as it rolls down a hill. None of you seemed to have problems with any of the Harvest Moon or Fire Emblem games.

As the saying goes "Nobody remembers when you do something right, but everyone will remember when you do something wrong."
 

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DrOswald said:
Faustek said:
Scrumpmonkey said:
the hidden eagle said:
Bravely default is only on the 3DS which makes it a Nintendo IP.Just like how back in the day Metal Gear Solid was a Sony IP despite being made by Konami who is third party.
This is one of the wierdest arguments I've ever heard. DayZ is only on microsoft windows, does that make it a Microsoft IP? God the Nintendo fans are really reaching today. 3DS is a system that has a lot of exclusive games because of it's specific hardware as a handheld. That does not make Nintendo responsible for those IPs existing.
What about Dragon Quest then? PlayStation, Nintendo, PC and iOS/Android. Is it cthulhu?

On topic. Glad they responded but I don't trust it. If they decide to create a new installment? Hell I'm still waiting so I can be black in AC. And that is easier but still not happening. Nah walk the walk and I'll consider coming back. Until then its just bs.
But... they do walk the walk. They have had positive LGBT characters in a new Pokemon game and a new Animal Crossing game since the release of Tomodachi Life and they have a pretty good track record of inclusiveness. And they have been this way for a while. As far back as Paper Mario: Thousand Year Door they have been portraying LGBT characters in a positive light. Vivian is a trans woman (physical male who identifies as a female is what I mean, I apologize if I got the specific term wrong) and that is shown as a positive thing.

Nintendo may have made a misstep here, but they have a history of doing well in this area.
Yes yes I know, I can be black in Pokemon and the mother stays *white* meaning interracial. That's awesome. And I remember Birdo, I remember it all. And I remember always being *white* in Animal Crossing(sorry didn't mean assassins creed). I could start out *black* but bought the affro(yeah sorry I'm old and sport an affro when not shaven) and suddenly I was white again. This is last year, Nintendo do has worked very hard not to be inclusive in my eyes as of late.
 

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Dexterity said:
I think Nintendo just didn't want to make a stance on the whole gay thing. There's risk for a large company in saying that they're anti or pro same sex relationships.
But... by refusing to include gay relationships, even if they are not subscribing to anti-gay sentiments, they are certainly helping propagating/reinforcing them, intentionally or unintentionally.

Everything is politics. - Thomas Mann
 

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Goddamn... Why can't people get up in arms like this over stuff that's actually important like DRM?

Still, at least the SJWs might shut up for a while now.
 

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Genocidicles said:
Goddamn... Why can't people get up in arms like this over stuff that's actually important like DRM?

Still, at least the SJWs might shut up for a while now.
Wait but is this sarcasm? Or are you serious?
 

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Genocidicles said:
Goddamn... Why can't people get up in arms like this over stuff that's actually important like DRM?
Why are you so obsessed with DRM when there's hungry children in Africa?
 

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Nintendo's stance: "I don't care if you have sexual relationships with men, women, or whatever. We made this game over a year ago and it will cost us more money than we'll make back with this specific game because of the issue that we do not know how well it will sell."

And people are calling Nintendo bigots and homosexual haters? Absolutely disgusting from those who are. There's at least[/] three stances in the homosexual debate; For, Neutral, and Against. Nintendo went Neutral, because they are a company, not a political activist machine. They even recognize the fact that people themselves are the political activists. But no, Nintendo is a gay hating evil corporation for not wanting to recode a game.

And the original guy who talked about this did not want such stupidity to be involve, just Nintendo to say "Yeah, we'll include it in future installments", which is what Nintendo just said. Now all the faux-activists for homosexuality will say they won, which will bring out the faux-activists that are against homosexuality call the pro-homosexuality all evil for attacking Nintendo's neutrality (Which is happening now). Good job, people. Creating a mountain out of a molehill.
 

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Faustek said:
Wait but is this sarcasm? Or are you serious?
I'm serious.

I think DRM is far more detrimental to gaming than lack of gay representation.

But this issue with Nintendo was solved in what... a week? And purely by internet activism too. Wherease the only DRM 'victory' I can think of is the xbone debacle and that still took a month or so, and probably only because PS4 preorders were outselling xbones by 10 to 1.
 

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Saint Ganondorf said:
To be 'neutral' is to say that it's fine to treat them differently. Neutrality when it comes to treating others equal is utter nonsense. It shows they do not think that they are on the same level to say that it's okay to treat them as different in ways that have nothing to do with their differences.
Neutral is not supporting or helping either side in a conflict or being an impartial or unbiased state or person (Or company) in this case.

That is what neutral means. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/neutral

Just putting that bit of inf out there.