Nintendo: "Heyday of Piracy" Is Over

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QuirkyTambourine said:
Isn't there some sort of Murphy's Law regarding "unhackable DRM"? The prime example that springs to mind is Ubisoft's "super secure DRM" that required an internet connection 24/7. That was cracked in what? 48 hours?
Actually it was cracked a week before Assassins creed came out. Only half the game was playable at that point, but it was cracked.

Silly Nintendo, it'll be broken into in a couple weeks
 

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QuirkyTambourine said:
Isn't there some sort of Murphy's Law regarding "unhackable DRM"? The prime example that springs to mind is Ubisoft's "super secure DRM" that required an internet connection 24/7. That was cracked in what? 48 hours?

Obviously a hardware device will take a little longer but isn't it poking the bear just a little bit by saying "We've made this device uncrackable" I foresee lots of very competent people responding "Challenge accepted"
Yup.

Or Half-Life 2, which relied on certain data being written to certain physical sections of the installation disc. Cracked a couple days after release.
 

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squid5580 said:
Dear Nintendo,

Where I come from we have an expression. "Don't poke the bear!"

That is all
I want to go and live in Canada just so that I can use this expression...

On topic, I give them... 3 weeks. And that's giving the tech team hell of a lot of legroom
 

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the day after it comes out there will be a video on youtube called "Challenge Accepted" by a guy in like Oregon who cracked it
 

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QuirkyTambourine said:
Isn't there some sort of Murphy's Law regarding "unhackable DRM"? The prime example that springs to mind is Ubisoft's "super secure DRM" that required an internet connection 24/7. That was cracked in what? 48 hours?

Obviously a hardware device will take a little longer but isn't it poking the bear just a little bit by saying "We've made this device uncrackable" I foresee lots of very competent people responding "Challenge accepted"
It's like Sony's PS3. They locked and loaded it with anti-modding, yet someone managed to hack it down to the core. Though technically, it took 3 years to crack it open for the first time.
 

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Formica Archonis said:
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Y'know .... that makes me really think... Why did we stop having those black on red printed sheets where we had to look up F7 to get into the game ?
Or code wheels. Last one I remember was... ergh. Monkey Island 2?

Fairly easy to crack if you can disassemble code. Find the table of answers and set every entry to something specific. Change the compare-to-valid code to a bunch of NOPs. Find someone bloody-minded enough to type the entire manual in to Notepad or a scanner/OCR good enough to read the black on red.

Big problem is, it's not cheap. You gotta print stuff off, package it, etc. Expensive for regular purchases and impossible for digital downloads. Though I admit, they had fallen by the wayside long before digital distribution became possible.

I don't really know why they've fallen into such disrepute.
Probably because they were only effective against people who swapped and copied disks with friends, who would have to find a photcopier to duplicate it. These days people download instead. Scanners are also better these days. If it cannot be scanned/photographed it will be far too hard to read.
 

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Well Nintendo, you might as well have just said something like "The members of our design team are placing bets on how soon you guys can crack this. Please crack it as soon as you can."

Perhaps Nintendo should have their design team start making extendable bear pokers instead.
 

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While I know that it will be cracked eventually, I don't think it will be 2-3 weeks. I mean they also said they would have 3-d without glasses and everyone laughed. Now look who's laughing
 

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Bad Jim said:
Probably because they were only effective against people who swapped and copied disks with friends, who would have to find a photcopier to duplicate it. These days people download instead. Scanners are also better these days. If it cannot be scanned/photographed it will be far too hard to read.
Explains the black-on-red things that flummox a monochrome copier, but code wheels? With a three-layered code wheel you can either take forever copying each permutation or dismantle the code wheel and copy each layer and make people build their own code wheel, which is a crafts project most people won't bother with.
 

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I'll give it 66 hours. It might seem like an arbitrary number, but that's how you win these bets ^_^

Although it would be nice to see them succeed at it. I've never liked people who hacked consoles...
 

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Nintendo, you can't beat Piracy, you can just fuck over your actual paying customers.

Seriously, Pirates will always find a way around your hardware, ALWAYS.
 

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GeneticallyModifiedDucks said:
QuirkyTambourine said:
Isn't there some sort of Murphy's Law regarding "unhackable DRM"? The prime example that springs to mind is Ubisoft's "super secure DRM" that required an internet connection 24/7. That was cracked in what? 48 hours?

Obviously a hardware device will take a little longer but isn't it poking the bear just a little bit by saying "We've made this device uncrackable" I foresee lots of very competent people responding "Challenge accepted"
This may be inacurrate, but I read somewhere, that it took hackers almost 2 months to properly pirate AC2 on PC.
That is completely inaccurate.

After Ubisoft introduced that 'online DRM thing' it took less then a day (maybe two) to remove it and to make the pirated version better then the brought version. Since of course the brought one had their crap and restrictions on it while the pirated one didn't.

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Much like how pirates will make the 3DS better once they hack it, allowing region free and the like.

Another reason why the PS3 took so long to hack, because it was mostly region free anyway.
 

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Bad call Nintendo. People will now laugh at you for months after your pirate-proof 3DS is cracked faster than you could ever imagine.
 

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TestECull said:
I'm going to laugh my ass off if the 3DS is cracked within two weeks.
Seriously, it always goes like this

Big Company: Our new product that comes out in 2 months is going to END PIRACY

Some Hacker Bro: HACKED, *****!

Big Company: How is that fucking possible? IT'S NOT EVEN OUT YET!

Some Hacker Bro: Hacker magic.....*****!

Big Company: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!

Will they never learn?
 

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Oh this is rich....hilarious. Sides are splitting at the sheer MORONICNESS of companies that say this and then start bawling because THEY ARE ALWAYS WRONG.
 

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A few notes here:

a) I'm amazed Nintendo finally managed to get me interested in the 3DS, cause the lulz from this and the aftermath are something I'm definitely going to keep track of. Still won't buy one though, cracked or no.

b) I have a sneaking suspicion that not only is it going to be cracked sooner rather than later now, but with them touting that it's a complicated, nigh-unhackable system I will not be surprised if someone does it in the simplest way possible, like paperclip simple (Don't laugh, older PSPs would give you root access if you just clipped off one of the battery's contacts.)

the letter after 'b')Now, I'm saying this for argument's sake, but what if this is just some crazy stunt by Nintendo to maximize first day sales? As what better way to do so than by challenging a bunch of people so they'll get enraged and buy it, if only for the sole purpose of proving it can be done? I'm reading reports that sounds like they're jumping the gun on the release, and, you'll pardon my saying it, but the launch titles don't seem that special (Seriously, Zelda in June?) And it's not like Nintendo wouldn't just phase out the specific loophole with the inevitable 2nd, smaller, cheaper model 3DS (As done with the switch from 2000 to 3000 model PSPs).

Plus, even with the use of flashcarts on the DS/DSi, how much of the established user base actually owns one or even knows what they are at the moment? I'm not trying to justify their use here or there mind you, I just mean if it does get cracked, even by cart this time around, how widespread would it actually get?