Nintendo Likely to Go Software Only, Says Zynga Board Member

[Keltrick]

to be honest, this is no surprise to me... i mean the wii was a flop in the long run, and the WiiU is so "weak" spec wise, that it does not even force microsoft or sony to rush their next gen consoles out the door

I think the Nintendo Wii is a pile of wank (mine collects dust) but it sold really, really well. How, then, was it a flop? Or do you mean it was a failure in the sense that it's a bad product in your opinion?

It was a bad product which burned some bridges with core gamers. The WiiU would have to be something really special to make up for that but it doesn't look like the WiiU will win over too many core gamers.

But if they still sell extremely well, it doesn't matter if its to 'core gamers" or not. It will still be a success and still be profitable to make them. If they can get every mother with a minivan to get one for the family, they don't really need to make innovations, just accessibility.

I don't like the Wii, or Nintendo much to be honest, but I think there is well enough room for a different kind of console to cater to a different kind of person. The market so far seems to be agreeing.

 

[Clearing the Eye]

Actually since they cut the price the 3ds has sold better than the ds did in the same amount of time and the ds started out a bit weak also.

If anything I think the WiiU will have allot of games since its on par with the current systems so that makes porting to it rather easy.

The 3DS has still sold poorly, despite doing better than it was on release.

I don't think having ports to old games is a good selling feature. "You know all those games that already came out on the other consoles? Now you can buy a new console and play them again!" It will seriously blow my fucking mind if the WiiU does any better total crap, lol. I may or may not eat my hat if it sells well--I'm super sure it'll bomb spectacularly, but I love my hat <3

Every time I listen to a gaming podcast that mentions the WiiU, read an article about it or listen to other people's impressions, it gets harder and harder to believe Nintendo are going through with it. Not even joking, there is still a tiny part of my mind that's not convinced this isn't all a joke or bait and switch. With the way the public is reacting to it, how sour traditional gamers are over Nintendo and how cold casuals became on the Wii once the fad died... I just don't see it going any way but amazingly bad.

Nintendo had this great image and a lot going for them, but there's no way they will get away with another generation of shovelware and gimmick. Taken individually, the Wii and their ton of handheld abortions aren't so bad. Pile them on top of each other, one after the other and a bad image emerges. I'm no doomsayer and up until the 3DS I thought Nintendo might still be okay, but this... This just HAS to break the camel's back.

 

[Revnak_v1legacy]

3DS: Sells horribly, then picks up a little. Largely ignored and gameless.

[a href="http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2011/12/02/3ds-surpasses-ds-american-1st-year-sales-figures-in-8-months/"]B[/a][a href="http://m.bgr.com/2012/03/06/nintendo-3ds-sales-in-u-s-reach-4-5-million-in-first-year/"]u[/a][a href="http://www.1up.com/news/3ds-takes-8-months-surpass-first-year-ds-sales"]l[/a][a href="http://www.1up.com/news/3ds-sales-surpass-4-million-us"]l[/a][a href="http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2012/04/worldwide_3ds_sales_reach_17_million"]s[/a][a href="http://m.joystiq.com/2011/12/26/3ds-sales-exceed-4m-in-japan-mario-sells-over-2m-games/"]h[/a][a href="http://www.videogamenations.com/all/nintendo-3ds-sales-climb-in-japan/"]i[/a][a href="http://www.1up.com/news/sony-encouraged-strong-3ds-sales"]t[/a]

Searching 3ds sales figures does not even report one site echoing your sentiments in the first three pages, and the later ones that do are all outdated. You are blatantly wrong.

OT- I like Nintendo, far more now since I'm starting to get into PC gaming. I would rather they continue to exist as console makers, as the others have begun to lose my interest.

 

[Epona]

I would see Nintendo making software only being a interesting development.

Thing is, I think Nintendo is believing that the WiiU will replicate the Wii's sales.

Thw Wii itself was rather lacking when compared to the PS3 or 360, but succeeded because it appeal to a market that neither the PS3 or 360 catered to. But with smartphone games, and everybody having a Wii, is that market still deep enough for the WiiU? or has this pond dried up?

The pond has dried up but we'll see what happens. People talk about the sales of the Wii and say "It was a success". Well, yeah, from a business standpoint it was a success but from a consumer standpoint, it was a waste of money. Anything that should still be relevant but has been collecting dust for years is a waste of money. I'll bet most of you use your carpet cleaner more than your Wii.

I wonder why people on here care less about the consumer point of view than they do the sales? Really, there isn't much good that can be said for the Wii, aside from sales.

 

[dmase]

As long as the Wii U isn't shoddy it will probably do really well. I mean the 360 came out and microsoft knew their was the issue of the red ring and they still did incredibly well this generation. Third parties have expressed as much if not more support than the wii's release. The only issue is are people willing to shell out when they already have a wii and most likely either a sony or microsoft console, that's where the wii u has to impress.

Also I don't like the design but wouldn't have bought it even if I did, so there is that.

 

[Worgen]

Actually since they cut the price the 3ds has sold better than the ds did in the same amount of time and the ds started out a bit weak also.

If anything I think the WiiU will have allot of games since its on par with the current systems so that makes porting to it rather easy.

The 3DS has still sold poorly, despite doing better than it was on release.

I don't think having ports to old games is a good selling feature. "You know all those games that already came out on the other consoles? Now you can buy a new console and play them again!" It will seriously blow my fucking mind if the WiiU does any better total crap, lol. I may or may not eat my hat if it sells well--I'm super sure it'll bomb spectacularly, but I love my hat <3

Every time I listen to a gaming podcast that mentions the WiiU, read an article about it or listen to other people's impressions, it gets harder and harder to believe Nintendo are going through with it. Not even joking, there is still a tiny part of my mind that's not convinced this isn't all a joke or bait and switch. With the way the public is reacting to it, how sour traditional gamers are over Nintendo and how cold casuals became on the Wii once the fad died... I just don't see it going any way but amazingly bad.

Nintendo had this great image and a lot going for them, but there's no way they will get away with another generation of shovelware and gimmick. Taken individually, the Wii and their ton of handheld abortions aren't so bad. Pile them on top of each other, one after the other and a bad image emerges. I'm no doomsayer and up until the 3DS I thought Nintendo might still be okay, but this... This just HAS to break the camel's back.

Are you kidding? Do you not understand nostalgia? The port of Ocarina of time sold like gang busters and I think the Starfox port did really well also.

 

[Clearing the Eye]

3DS: Sells horribly, then picks up a little. Largely ignored and gameless.

[a href="http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2011/12/02/3ds-surpasses-ds-american-1st-year-sales-figures-in-8-months/"]B[/a][a href="http://m.bgr.com/2012/03/06/nintendo-3ds-sales-in-u-s-reach-4-5-million-in-first-year/"]u[/a][a href="http://www.1up.com/news/3ds-takes-8-months-surpass-first-year-ds-sales"]l[/a][a href="http://www.1up.com/news/3ds-sales-surpass-4-million-us"]l[/a][a href="http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2012/04/worldwide_3ds_sales_reach_17_million"]s[/a][a href="http://m.joystiq.com/2011/12/26/3ds-sales-exceed-4m-in-japan-mario-sells-over-2m-games/"]h[/a][a href="http://www.videogamenations.com/all/nintendo-3ds-sales-climb-in-japan/"]i[/a][a href="http://www.1up.com/news/sony-encouraged-strong-3ds-sales"]t[/a]

Searching 3ds sales figures does not even report one site echoing your sentiments in the first three pages, and the later ones that do are all outdated. You are blatantly wrong.

OT- I like Nintendo, far more now since I'm starting to get into PC gaming. I would rather they continue to exist as console makers, as the others have begun to lose my interest.

You consider a device selling- Oh, you're a "fan." I guess if it'd sold ten units you'd think that was a lot >_>

 

[Clearing the Eye]

Actually since they cut the price the 3ds has sold better than the ds did in the same amount of time and the ds started out a bit weak also.

If anything I think the WiiU will have allot of games since its on par with the current systems so that makes porting to it rather easy.

The 3DS has still sold poorly, despite doing better than it was on release.

I don't think having ports to old games is a good selling feature. "You know all those games that already came out on the other consoles? Now you can buy a new console and play them again!" It will seriously blow my fucking mind if the WiiU does any better total crap, lol. I may or may not eat my hat if it sells well--I'm super sure it'll bomb spectacularly, but I love my hat <3

Every time I listen to a gaming podcast that mentions the WiiU, read an article about it or listen to other people's impressions, it gets harder and harder to believe Nintendo are going through with it. Not even joking, there is still a tiny part of my mind that's not convinced this isn't all a joke or bait and switch. With the way the public is reacting to it, how sour traditional gamers are over Nintendo and how cold casuals became on the Wii once the fad died... I just don't see it going any way but amazingly bad.

Nintendo had this great image and a lot going for them, but there's no way they will get away with another generation of shovelware and gimmick. Taken individually, the Wii and their ton of handheld abortions aren't so bad. Pile them on top of each other, one after the other and a bad image emerges. I'm no doomsayer and up until the 3DS I thought Nintendo might still be okay, but this... This just HAS to break the camel's back.

Are you kidding? Do you not understand nostalgia? The port of Ocarina of time sold like gang busters and I think the Starfox port did really well also.

Nostalgia selling an entire console after the piles of wank Nintendo have been throwing at their market for the past few years? I doubt it.

I just want it to come out already, so we can all laugh at it and move on. The entire topic is tiring. I feel like a small minority of people are trying really hard to convince the rest of us that *this* time the shit coming out of the dog will taste good >_>

 

[AzrealMaximillion]

Actually since they cut the price the 3ds has sold better than the ds did in the same amount of time and the ds started out a bit weak also.

If anything I think the WiiU will have allot of games since its on par with the current systems so that makes porting to it rather easy.

The 3DS has still sold poorly, despite doing better than it was on release.

I don't think having ports to old games is a good selling feature. "You know all those games that already came out on the other consoles? Now you can buy a new console and play them again!" It will seriously blow my fucking mind if the WiiU does any better total crap, lol. I may or may not eat my hat if it sells well--I'm super sure it'll bomb spectacularly, but I love my hat <3

Every time I listen to a gaming podcast that mentions the WiiU, read an article about it or listen to other people's impressions, it gets harder and harder to believe Nintendo are going through with it. Not even joking, there is still a tiny part of my mind that's not convinced this isn't all a joke or bait and switch. With the way the public is reacting to it, how sour traditional gamers are over Nintendo and how cold casuals became on the Wii once the fad died... I just don't see it going any way but amazingly bad.

Nintendo had this great image and a lot going for them, but there's no way they will get away with another generation of shovelware and gimmick. Taken individually, the Wii and their ton of handheld abortions aren't so bad. Pile them on top of each other, one after the other and a bad image emerges. I'm no doomsayer and up until the 3DS I thought Nintendo might still be okay, but this... This just HAS to break the camel's back.

Your display picture has won my heart and your posts on this thread have made me slow clap. You are a champ.

 

[Epona]

As long as the Wii U isn't shoddy it will probably do really well. I mean the 360 came out and microsoft knew their was the issue of the red ring and they still did incredibly well this generation. Third parties have expressed as much if not more support than the wii's release. The only issue is are people willing to shell out when they already have a wii and most likely either a sony or microsoft console, that's where the wii u has to impress.

Also I don't like the design but wouldn't have bought it even if I did, so there is that.

Build quality has nothing to do with it, the N64 and Gamecube were more durable than anything this gen or the last two.

 

[thiosk]

If someone besides a Zynga exec had said so, I might have gone along with it.

 

[Clearing the Eye]

Actually since they cut the price the 3ds has sold better than the ds did in the same amount of time and the ds started out a bit weak also.

If anything I think the WiiU will have allot of games since its on par with the current systems so that makes porting to it rather easy.

The 3DS has still sold poorly, despite doing better than it was on release.

I don't think having ports to old games is a good selling feature. "You know all those games that already came out on the other consoles? Now you can buy a new console and play them again!" It will seriously blow my fucking mind if the WiiU does any better total crap, lol. I may or may not eat my hat if it sells well--I'm super sure it'll bomb spectacularly, but I love my hat <3

Every time I listen to a gaming podcast that mentions the WiiU, read an article about it or listen to other people's impressions, it gets harder and harder to believe Nintendo are going through with it. Not even joking, there is still a tiny part of my mind that's not convinced this isn't all a joke or bait and switch. With the way the public is reacting to it, how sour traditional gamers are over Nintendo and how cold casuals became on the Wii once the fad died... I just don't see it going any way but amazingly bad.

Nintendo had this great image and a lot going for them, but there's no way they will get away with another generation of shovelware and gimmick. Taken individually, the Wii and their ton of handheld abortions aren't so bad. Pile them on top of each other, one after the other and a bad image emerges. I'm no doomsayer and up until the 3DS I thought Nintendo might still be okay, but this... This just HAS to break the camel's back.

Your display picture has won my heart and your posts on this thread have made me slow clap. You are a champ.

D'awww. Thank you.

Gay Oreo tells it like it is, son ;D

 

[Clearing the Eye]

As long as the Wii U isn't shoddy it will probably do really well. I mean the 360 came out and microsoft knew their was the issue of the red ring and they still did incredibly well this generation. Third parties have expressed as much if not more support than the wii's release. The only issue is are people willing to shell out when they already have a wii and most likely either a sony or microsoft console, that's where the wii u has to impress.

Also I don't like the design but wouldn't have bought it even if I did, so there is that.

Build quality has nothing to do with it, the N64 and Gamecube were more durable than anything this gen.

My Gamesube is still kicking. My 360, on the other hand, died twice and met a gruesome end thanks to a hammer and an angry gamer. It red ringed for the last time >:3

 

[Worgen]

Actually since they cut the price the 3ds has sold better than the ds did in the same amount of time and the ds started out a bit weak also.

If anything I think the WiiU will have allot of games since its on par with the current systems so that makes porting to it rather easy.

The 3DS has still sold poorly, despite doing better than it was on release.

I don't think having ports to old games is a good selling feature. "You know all those games that already came out on the other consoles? Now you can buy a new console and play them again!" It will seriously blow my fucking mind if the WiiU does any better total crap, lol. I may or may not eat my hat if it sells well--I'm super sure it'll bomb spectacularly, but I love my hat <3

Every time I listen to a gaming podcast that mentions the WiiU, read an article about it or listen to other people's impressions, it gets harder and harder to believe Nintendo are going through with it. Not even joking, there is still a tiny part of my mind that's not convinced this isn't all a joke or bait and switch. With the way the public is reacting to it, how sour traditional gamers are over Nintendo and how cold casuals became on the Wii once the fad died... I just don't see it going any way but amazingly bad.

Nintendo had this great image and a lot going for them, but there's no way they will get away with another generation of shovelware and gimmick. Taken individually, the Wii and their ton of handheld abortions aren't so bad. Pile them on top of each other, one after the other and a bad image emerges. I'm no doomsayer and up until the 3DS I thought Nintendo might still be okay, but this... This just HAS to break the camel's back.

Are you kidding? Do you not understand nostalgia? The port of Ocarina of time sold like gang busters and I think the Starfox port did really well also.

Nostalgia selling an entire console after the piles of wank Nintendo have been throwing at their market for the past few years? I doubt it.

I just want it to come out already, so we can all laugh at it and move on. The entire topic is tiring. I feel like a small minority of people are trying really hard to convince the rest of us that *this* time the shit coming out of the dog will taste good >_>

Ahh, ok, I get it now, your just a hater. Ha, you almost got me there. But I shall now obey the rules of the internet.

 

[malestrithe]

Makes sense. Their systems aren't popular enough with core gamers anymore, and I doubt that they can get more money by appealing to casual gamers who buy 3 games a year. They might as well just make Mario, Zelda, Metroid, etc. games for other platforms and sell more copies.

Core and casual are such convoluted terms that they are meaningless. There are no definitions for them other than "Games I like are core, Games I hate are casual." That is why Call of Duty and Medal of Honor, formerly core games, got the casual label with some people.

Hell, Guitar Hero and all fighting games are the very definition of casual, but most players consider them core.

Core and casual only describe attitude towards gaming. It is possible to play a so called core game occasionally and a casual game with white hot intensity.

Now, Nintendo is going to survive because people are interested in playing their games. People will buy their consoles until the last generation. Nintendo has 2 generation of gamers under their belt, much like Madden.

 

[Innegativeion]

*snip*

Not to be "that guy" or anything, but the wiiU gamepad pro looks like one of the best console controllers I've seen in years.

Just throwin' that out there.

 

[Epona]

Makes sense. Their systems aren't popular enough with core gamers anymore, and I doubt that they can get more money by appealing to casual gamers who buy 3 games a year. They might as well just make Mario, Zelda, Metroid, etc. games for other platforms and sell more copies.

Core and casual are such convoluted terms that they are meaningless. There are no definitions for them other than "Games I like are core, Games I hate are casual." That is why Call of Duty and Medal of Honor, formerly core games, got the casual label with some people.

Hell, Guitar Hero and all fighting games are the very definition of casual, but most players consider them core.

Core and casual only describe attitude towards gaming. It is possible to play a so called core game occasionally and a casual game with white hot intensity.

Now, Nintendo is going to survive because people are interested in playing their games. People will buy their consoles until the last generation. Nintendo has 2 generation of gamers under their belt, much like Madden.

Your problem is that you are trying to describe core and casual GAMES. No, it's core and casual GAMERS.

People who play alot of games, come to forums like this one to discuss games and keep up with gaming news are core gamers. Those who don't are casual gamers.

Core gamers will still be here buying games when the casual gamer has moved on to the next big thing.

 

[Clearing the Eye]

*snip*

Not to be "that guy" or anything, but the wiiU gamepad pro looks like one of the best console controllers I've seen in years.

Just throwin' that out there.

The tone of your post fits your title perfectly, lol.

 

[Revnak_v1legacy]

3DS: Sells horribly, then picks up a little. Largely ignored and gameless.

[a href="http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2011/12/02/3ds-surpasses-ds-american-1st-year-sales-figures-in-8-months/"]B[/a][a href="http://m.bgr.com/2012/03/06/nintendo-3ds-sales-in-u-s-reach-4-5-million-in-first-year/"]u[/a][a href="http://www.1up.com/news/3ds-takes-8-months-surpass-first-year-ds-sales"]l[/a][a href="http://www.1up.com/news/3ds-sales-surpass-4-million-us"]l[/a][a href="http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2012/04/worldwide_3ds_sales_reach_17_million"]s[/a][a href="http://m.joystiq.com/2011/12/26/3ds-sales-exceed-4m-in-japan-mario-sells-over-2m-games/"]h[/a][a href="http://www.videogamenations.com/all/nintendo-3ds-sales-climb-in-japan/"]i[/a][a href="http://www.1up.com/news/sony-encouraged-strong-3ds-sales"]t[/a]

Searching 3ds sales figures does not even report one site echoing your sentiments in the first three pages, and the later ones that do are all outdated. You are blatantly wrong.

OT- I like Nintendo, far more now since I'm starting to get into PC gaming. I would rather they continue to exist as console makers, as the others have begun to lose my interest.

You consider a device selling- Oh, you're a "fan." I guess if it'd sold ten units you'd think that was a lot >_>

17 million in one year. Failure.
Ps2. Failure.
Ps1. Failure.
Ps3. Failure
Nes. Failure.
Snes. Failure.
N64. Failure.
GameCube. Failure.
Wii. Failure.
Xbox. Failure.
360. Failure.
Ds. Failure.
Gameboy. Failure.
Gameboy color. Failure.
Gameboy advanced. Failure.
Genesis. Failure.
Saturn. Failure.
Dreamcast. Failure.
Every video game console ever. Failure.
The 3ds is the fastest selling console ever, if we go by its first year sales. That is not a failure, that is an absolute success.

 

[Epona]

3DS: Sells horribly, then picks up a little. Largely ignored and gameless.

[a href="http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2011/12/02/3ds-surpasses-ds-american-1st-year-sales-figures-in-8-months/"]B[/a][a href="http://m.bgr.com/2012/03/06/nintendo-3ds-sales-in-u-s-reach-4-5-million-in-first-year/"]u[/a][a href="http://www.1up.com/news/3ds-takes-8-months-surpass-first-year-ds-sales"]l[/a][a href="http://www.1up.com/news/3ds-sales-surpass-4-million-us"]l[/a][a href="http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2012/04/worldwide_3ds_sales_reach_17_million"]s[/a][a href="http://m.joystiq.com/2011/12/26/3ds-sales-exceed-4m-in-japan-mario-sells-over-2m-games/"]h[/a][a href="http://www.videogamenations.com/all/nintendo-3ds-sales-climb-in-japan/"]i[/a][a href="http://www.1up.com/news/sony-encouraged-strong-3ds-sales"]t[/a]

Searching 3ds sales figures does not even report one site echoing your sentiments in the first three pages, and the later ones that do are all outdated. You are blatantly wrong.

OT- I like Nintendo, far more now since I'm starting to get into PC gaming. I would rather they continue to exist as console makers, as the others have begun to lose my interest.

You consider a device selling- Oh, you're a "fan." I guess if it'd sold ten units you'd think that was a lot >_>

17 million in one year. Failure.
Ps2. Failure.
Ps1. Failure.
Ps3. Failure
Nes. Failure.
Snes. Failure.
N64. Failure.
GameCube. Failure.
Wii. Failure.
Xbox. Failure.
360. Failure.
Ds. Failure.
Gameboy. Failure.
Gameboy color. Failure.
Gameboy advanced. Failure.
Genesis. Failure.
Saturn. Failure.
Dreamcast. Failure.
Every video game console ever. Failure.
The 3ds is the fastest selling console ever, if we go by its first year sales. That is not a failure, that is an absolute success.

No one has said that the Wii didn't sell well. Can people stop bringing this up.

YES, WE KNOW THE WII SOLD WELL.

There's more to the conversation than sales. Stop being simple minded. The Wii burned alot of people who now have no intention of buying a WiiU. Can you not discuss that since sales numbers aren't really in dispute?