Nintendo Likely to Go Software Only, Says Zynga Board Member

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I have no fear in Nintendo's abilities. I know that the WiiU Will be a success. Plus, I am very very excited for this console when it comes out. I'm not gonna buy it at launch, but I definitely will get it by this Christmas (As well as new 3DS games).
 

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Crono1973 said:
No one has said that the Wii didn't sell well. Can people stop bringing this up.

YES, WE KNOW THE WII SOLD WELL.

There's more to the conversation than sales. Stop being simple minded. The Wii burned alot of people who now have no intention of buying a WiiU. Can you not discuss that since sales numbers aren't really in dispute?
Why did you just quote me? I'm talking about the 3ds and trying to correct someone who said it sold "poorly" then picked up in sales a "little" when infact it is the fastest selling console in the world. Oh, and I don't really like the wii. I don't like the 360 or the ps3 either for that matter. I hardly play console games and will be playing them even less in the near future.
 

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"The latest such prediction comes from former EA exec and Zynga board member, Bing Gordon."

I'm sorry, but my urge to excommunicate whatever this wonderful person (it took me one minute to wtrite those words with a straight face)says has just won out. Have a nice thread.
 

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Revnak said:
Crono1973 said:
No one has said that the Wii didn't sell well. Can people stop bringing this up.

YES, WE KNOW THE WII SOLD WELL.

There's more to the conversation than sales. Stop being simple minded. The Wii burned alot of people who now have no intention of buying a WiiU. Can you not discuss that since sales numbers aren't really in dispute?
Why did you just quote me? I'm talking about the 3ds and trying to correct someone who said it sold "poorly" then picked up in sales a "little" when infact it is the fastest selling console in the world. Oh, and I don't really like the wii. I don't like the 360 or the ps3 either for that matter. I hardly play console games and will be playing them even less in the near future.
Here's why:

Wii. Failure.
You weren't JUST talking about the 3DS which BTW is just another gimmick. People want good, NORMAL games on the 3DS and most could care less about it's gimmick. Same can be said about the Wii and the WiiU.
 

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I have a deft feeling that the WIIU will decide Nintendo's fate, for good or ill. I have respect for nintendo, they are the only one of the large gaming companies to not try and whore out their consoles as "Family Entertainment Devices"... or more accurately, shitty PCs. But at the same time I feel no drive to buy new Nintendo stuff. Because I know I can simply play classic games on my classic consoles an I would be playing the best of what Nintendo puts out now. Zing.

They will either remain among the top or sink into obscurity. Only the market can decide.

Captcha: Rose Bud

IT WAS THE SLED!
 

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Doom972 said:
Makes sense. Their systems aren't popular enough with core gamers anymore, and I doubt that they can get more money by appealing to casual gamers who buy 3 games a year. They might as well just make Mario, Zelda, Metroid, etc. games for other platforms and sell more copies.
Core and casual are such convoluted terms that they are meaningless. There are no definitions for them other than "Games I like are core, Games I hate are casual." That is why Call of Duty and Medal of Honor, formerly core games, got the casual label with some people.

Hell, Guitar Hero and all fighting games are the very definition of casual, but most players consider them core.

Core and casual only describe attitude towards gaming. It is possible to play a so called core game occasionally and a casual game with white hot intensity.

Now, Nintendo is going to survive because people are interested in playing their games. People will buy their consoles until the last generation. Nintendo has 2 generation of gamers under their belt, much like Madden.
Core and Casual refers to both type of games and attitudes toward them. It doesn't mean that a core gamer won't buy a casual game or vice versa, but casual gamers will probably be more attracted to casual games and vice versa. Since casual means that the person isn't gaming all that much, it's likely that he's not buying as many games as a core gamer. With that in mind, I think it makes sense to treat a core gamer like several casual gamers, and then see which type of games has more market. I think that a console that doesn't appeal much to core gamers, isn't as profitable as one that is. Note that in order for a console to be successful, it is more important to sell games than consoles, since consoles are often sold with minimal profit to its company, and sometimes even at a loss (see 3DS).
 

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Crono1973 said:
Revnak said:
Crono1973 said:
No one has said that the Wii didn't sell well. Can people stop bringing this up.

YES, WE KNOW THE WII SOLD WELL.

There's more to the conversation than sales. Stop being simple minded. The Wii burned alot of people who now have no intention of buying a WiiU. Can you not discuss that since sales numbers aren't really in dispute?
Why did you just quote me? I'm talking about the 3ds and trying to correct someone who said it sold "poorly" then picked up in sales a "little" when infact it is the fastest selling console in the world. Oh, and I don't really like the wii. I don't like the 360 or the ps3 either for that matter. I hardly play console games and will be playing them even less in the near future.
Here's why:

Wii. Failure.
You weren't JUST talking about the 3DS which BTW is just another gimmick. People want good, NORMAL games on the 3DS and most could care less about it's gimmick. Same an be said about the Wii and the WiiU.
You think it is just a gimmick and you do not like it. People have bought 17 million of the damn things, though I don't think that the 3d is necessarily the reason why.
You also could go ahead and call me out as a Sony fanboy using the same out of context quoting method that you did right there. Seriously, you are strawmanning like a ************.
 

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VinLAURiA said:
Oh, and...
JediMB said:
Nintendo never abandoned any gamers. Gamers have been abandoning Nintendo since the original PlayStation was released, so Nintendo had to find a way to attract new ones.
Finally someone else who gets this. Heads up: if you went and bought a PlayStation or Xbox over the "kiddy" console backs in Gens 5 and 6, you're not the abandoned one in this equation and you have no right to complain.
Um, I'm sorry, but that's not the way things actually happened. Gamers didn't abandon Nintendo. Third party developers did. And they abandoned them because Nintendo thought they were untouchable, stuck with expensive cartridges lacking in storage space, and still charged hefty licensing fees to use them, not to mention spending years censoring games on their system.

Sony swooped in, offered developers more storage space, a cheaper format, and more freedom to do whatever they wanted. Surprise surprise, third party support for the N64 dried up quickly, especially when heavy hitters like Square jumped ship. Gamers simply went where the games were in the end, and if you wanted something other than Nintendo titles, you needed a Playstation. This only continued in the following generation not only because Nintendo had lost a lot of gamers and Playstation built a huge fan base, but because they continued to enforce many of the same ass backwards policies they did on their earlier systems. Proprietary format lacking in storage space? Check. Ignoring online play in its formative days on consoles? Check. Not doing anything to bridge the gap between themselves and the third parties who made them number one and did the same for Sony once Nintendo wasn't offering the best thing since sliced bread? You'd better believe that's a check.

So realizing it was a losing battle to release $600 consoles and try to recapture their glory days, instead they went after a market which was untapped at the time, to some degree at the expense of even the die hard Nintendo fans who supported them through the worst of it all.

Sorry, but in the end, Nintendo did turn their back on the core gaming crowd, a pretty impressive feat considering how many years they spent shooting themselves in the foot. I'm surprised they can still pivot on that thing.

No company has to cater to the whiny brats who don't buy their stuff anyway.
That entirely depends on if you need that group to grow your market share, and how stable a group it is in terms of revenue. Or even more basically, if you're actually interested in growing your market share to begin with.
 

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Innegativeion said:
Doom972 said:
Not to be "that guy" or anything, but the wiiU gamepad pro looks like one of the best console controllers I've seen in years.

Just throwin' that out there.
I didn't say that it didn't. But what makes a successful gaming platform are the games. As far as I'm concerned, it can have only a D-Pad and 2 buttons as long as it has great games. And now I feel compelled to dust off my old Gameboy Color and play Pokemon Gold.
 

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Revnak said:
Crono1973 said:
Revnak said:
Crono1973 said:
No one has said that the Wii didn't sell well. Can people stop bringing this up.

YES, WE KNOW THE WII SOLD WELL.

There's more to the conversation than sales. Stop being simple minded. The Wii burned alot of people who now have no intention of buying a WiiU. Can you not discuss that since sales numbers aren't really in dispute?
Why did you just quote me? I'm talking about the 3ds and trying to correct someone who said it sold "poorly" then picked up in sales a "little" when infact it is the fastest selling console in the world. Oh, and I don't really like the wii. I don't like the 360 or the ps3 either for that matter. I hardly play console games and will be playing them even less in the near future.
Here's why:

Wii. Failure.

You weren't JUST talking about the 3DS which BTW is just another gimmick. People want good, NORMAL games on the 3DS and most could care less about it's gimmick. Same an be said about the Wii and the WiiU.
You think it is just a gimmick and you do not like it. People have bought 17 million of the damn things, though I don't think that the 3d is necessarily the reason why.
You also could go ahead and call me out as a Sony fanboy using the same out of context quoting method that you did right there. Seriously, you are strawmanning like a ************.
Reported!

I never called you a fanboy, I just ask that you talk about something besides sales since that isn't in dispute. Then you go and do it again in this post "oh the 3DS sold 17 Million". Why would I care about that when we are talking about the gimmick of the 3DS?
 

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AzrealMaximillion said:
Saying the Wii was never meant to be for core gamers isn't really a defence.
I'm pretty sure you missed my double negative. :D

AzrealMaximillion said:
They flopped because Nintendo doesn't help let people know what 3rd party games are on their console like the other companies do for their platforms.
Wait... what? It's the publisher's job to advertise the game. (Still, Nintendo do advertise third-party games on the Nintendo Channel, among other outlets.) The closest you'll get to the console manufacturer doing the ad campaign is when, as an example, Microsoft give Electronic Arts some money so that Xbox 360 will be the most prominent platform in the ads. Like, "OUT NOW ON XBOX 360! (Also PC and PlayStation 3.)"

The actual problem is two-fold. Firstly, traditional Nintendo gamers (those of us who've stuck around since the PlayStation was released) don't buy a lot of third party games, and when "we" do it's important to have brand recognition.... making it hard for new IPs like MadWorld and No More Heroes to get the attention they need. Secondly, the advertising machine is kind of broken in that the games that need it the least get it the most, so a new and conceptually risky IP simply won't get any ad money from its publisher.
 

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Vivi22 said:
Um, I'm sorry, but that's not the way things actually happened. Gamers didn't abandon Nintendo. Third party developers did. And they abandoned them because Nintendo thought they were untouchable, stuck with expensive cartridges lacking in storage space, and still charged hefty licensing fees to use them, not to mention spending years censoring games on their system.
Well, both of those things happened, I would say, and the one fed into the other. Licensing and hardware issues were a motivator for some developers, but largely it was a matter of seeing the growth of the PS1 user base.

It's also worth noting that the SNES didn't live up to the sales of the NES, since the MegaDrive/Genesis was there to compete over customers. Home console sales per generation have thus always been in decline for Nintendo, until the Wii broke the trend.
 

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Crono1973 said:
Revnak said:
Crono1973 said:
Revnak said:
Crono1973 said:
No one has said that the Wii didn't sell well. Can people stop bringing this up.

YES, WE KNOW THE WII SOLD WELL.

There's more to the conversation than sales. Stop being simple minded. The Wii burned alot of people who now have no intention of buying a WiiU. Can you not discuss that since sales numbers aren't really in dispute?
Why did you just quote me? I'm talking about the 3ds and trying to correct someone who said it sold "poorly" then picked up in sales a "little" when infact it is the fastest selling console in the world. Oh, and I don't really like the wii. I don't like the 360 or the ps3 either for that matter. I hardly play console games and will be playing them even less in the near future.
Here's why:

Wii. Failure.

You weren't JUST talking about the 3DS which BTW is just another gimmick. People want good, NORMAL games on the 3DS and most could care less about it's gimmick. Same an be said about the Wii and the WiiU.
You think it is just a gimmick and you do not like it. People have bought 17 million of the damn things, though I don't think that the 3d is necessarily the reason why.
You also could go ahead and call me out as a Sony fanboy using the same out of context quoting method that you did right there. Seriously, you are strawmanning like a ************.
Reported!

I never called you a fanboy, I just ask that you talk about something besides sales since that isn't in dispute. Then you go and do it again in this post "oh the 3DS sold 17 Million". Why would I care about that when we are talking about the gimmick of the 3DS?
Because that's not what I'm talking about and that's not what he was in the sentence I quoted him in. He was talking about sales figures and he was very wrong about them.
Personally, I owned more games for my wii than my 360 (my wii games were almost all stolen sadly) and played them more until the past two years where I started to play the 360 more. Now I really just play LoL and soon will become addicted to steam. Every console this generation has dissapointed me with lackluster gimmicks and experiences. Many people have been more upset with Nintendo than any others and that is their right, but I honestly thought they were only as bad as everybody else. I think that the WiiU could do poorly, but that remains to be seen. I don't make guesses about this kind of stuff, I just comment on what I do and do not like. Personally, Nintendoland looks fun. Personally, the screen controller looks fun. However, nothing has yet to make me want to go out and buy it on release like Twilight Princess did.
Also, the way I used ************ was not a dirrect insult but instead an exaggeration of how much you are strawmanning me. More simile than labeling. You really need to learn a thing or two about context.
 

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Revnak said:
Crono1973 said:
Revnak said:
Crono1973 said:
Revnak said:
Crono1973 said:
No one has said that the Wii didn't sell well. Can people stop bringing this up.

YES, WE KNOW THE WII SOLD WELL.

There's more to the conversation than sales. Stop being simple minded. The Wii burned alot of people who now have no intention of buying a WiiU. Can you not discuss that since sales numbers aren't really in dispute?
Why did you just quote me? I'm talking about the 3ds and trying to correct someone who said it sold "poorly" then picked up in sales a "little" when infact it is the fastest selling console in the world. Oh, and I don't really like the wii. I don't like the 360 or the ps3 either for that matter. I hardly play console games and will be playing them even less in the near future.
Here's why:

Wii. Failure.

You weren't JUST talking about the 3DS which BTW is just another gimmick. People want good, NORMAL games on the 3DS and most could care less about it's gimmick. Same an be said about the Wii and the WiiU.
You think it is just a gimmick and you do not like it. People have bought 17 million of the damn things, though I don't think that the 3d is necessarily the reason why.
You also could go ahead and call me out as a Sony fanboy using the same out of context quoting method that you did right there. Seriously, you are strawmanning like a ************.
Reported!

I never called you a fanboy, I just ask that you talk about something besides sales since that isn't in dispute. Then you go and do it again in this post "oh the 3DS sold 17 Million". Why would I care about that when we are talking about the gimmick of the 3DS?
Because that's not what I'm talking about and that's not what he was in the sentence I quoted him in. He was talking about sales figures and he was very wrong about them.
Personally, I owned more games for my wii than my 360 (my wii games were almost all stolen sadly) and played them more until the past two years where I started to play the 360 more. Now I really just play LoL and soon will become addicted to steam. Every console this generation has dissapointed me with lackluster gimmicks and experiences. Many people have been more upset with Nintendo than any others and that is their right, but I honestly thought they were only as bad as everybody else. I think that the WiiU could do poorly, but that remains to be seen. I don't make guesses about this kind of stuff, I just comment on what I do and do not like. Personally, Nintendoland looks fun. Personally, the screen controller looks fun. However, nothing has yet to make me want to go out and buy it on release like Twilight Princess did.
Also, the way I used ************ was not a dirrect insult but instead an exaggeration of how much you are strawmanning me. More simile than labeling. You really need to learn a thing or two about context.
What gimmicks did the 360 and PS3 that weren't inspired by Nintendo's gimmick?

You say the screen controller looks fun, go play a DS or 3DS to get your fill of it.
 

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JediMB said:
Vivi22 said:
Um, I'm sorry, but that's not the way things actually happened. Gamers didn't abandon Nintendo. Third party developers did. And they abandoned them because Nintendo thought they were untouchable, stuck with expensive cartridges lacking in storage space, and still charged hefty licensing fees to use them, not to mention spending years censoring games on their system.
Well, both of those things happened, I would say, and the one fed into the other. Licensing and hardware issues were a motivator for some developers, but largely it was a matter of seeing the growth of the PS1 user base.

It's also worth noting that the SNES didn't live up to the sales of the NES, since the MegaDrive/Genesis was there to compete over customers. Home console sales per generation have thus always been in decline for Nintendo, until the Wii broke the trend.
One of the biggest success stories of the PS1 was Final Fantasy VII and Square said that it was the storage space that led them to release on the PS1 instead of the N64. Also I think there was something about Nintendo not allowing them to release their games on other systems. You'll notice that with the start of Square putting FF on the PS1, they also released 2 FF games on PC. They didn't sell well but that apparently would have never been possible with Nintendo.

It's not really worth noting that consoles that had competition didn't sell as well as the NES, that was really the only game in town.
 

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if any of the big three are on they're way out, it'll be Sony or Microsoft, they're the ones that have been losing money this generation, not Nintendo
 

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Crono1973 said:
It's not really worth noting that consoles that had competition didn't sell as well as the NES, that was really the only game in town.
The NES had competition too, in the Master System and various less known formats.

You're missing the bigger picture, in that Nintendo have always been bleeding customers in the console market. Until the Wii.