Yeah, this is pretty much it. I mean, you can't really expect a company to be like "Oop, guess there's a 100,000 strong petition for us to do something, guess we have to do it". But Nintendo's track record of listening to customers hasn't been great, in all honesty. And it needs to be better if they're set on region locking their stuff.Neronium said:While I agree that listening to all fan-petition is not wise business wise at all, however completely disregarding them is a complete and utterly stupid move. Also, the fact that it really wouldn't be hard to localize games, especially since it was localized in Europe before the US so all that had to be changed was the games being reprinted for US discs, because Nintendo obviously isn't gonna be getting rid of region locking soon.
Yeah, honestly I can't say I had much hope for that considering how tightly Nintendo holds their exclusives. I guess I'll have to settle for option two: hoping that a Wii U suddenly appears in my home sometime after its releaseThe Apple BOOM said:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monolith_SoftThe Almighty Aardvark said:Also agreeing with you on the Wii U's X game. It's the only reason I'm even entertaining the idea of a Wii U, and as such I'm really hoping that it finds some way to another console release.
Nintendo owns them. Currently, seeing X on any other platform has as much of a chance of happening as Bayonetta 2.
you say that like Sony or Microsoft are any different with their exclusivesThe Almighty Aardvark said:Yeah, honestly I can't say I had much hope for that considering how tightly Nintendo holds their exclusives. I guess I'll have to settle for option two: hoping that a Wii U suddenly appears in my home sometime after its release
It's also why they still continue to make well designed games.TheRealCJ said:And this is why Nintendo continues to lose more and more its core fanbase on a daily basis.
Um, shouldn't "what" be "why"?StewShearer said:It's not hard to see what people like petitions on the internet.
I think you mean Pal to NTSC (NTFS is file system format, which is kinda unrivaled now as FAT is dead). And if they bothered to program their games correctly (as in not do first grade programmer mistakes by locking game to refresh rate) there would be no costs. In this decade there is absolutely no reason to have region locks other than incompetence.Covarr said:There's (minimal) cost in converting the game from PAL back to NTFS (or in applying the UK translation to the Japanese NTFS version), there's a minimum number of units they can manufacture in a single run, and they need to be sure that it will sell enough to pay for pressing the discs, as well as packing and shipping all of them. Even instruction booklets can get costy.
I have a pretty good idea.Dead Century said:Nintendo needs to wise up. Their traditional core franchises don't have as much relevance as they used to. If they were smart, they would have waited. Imagine if the Wii U had launched with X and Super Mario 3D World.
Shovelware exists everywhere, on all systems. Has since the dawn of consoles.Karadalis said:And in the end cost them the Wii U cause everyone who bought the Wii got seriously burned by the lack of "real" games, what with all the crap shovelware games that drowned the entire Wii lineup beneath it.
I'd be willing to believe that if a gaggle of Mario Zelda and Pokemon didn't save the 3DS.The days where zelda, metroid and mario alone sold a nintendo product are long gone. To bad nintendo doesnt realize it.
Strazdas said:You're right, I meant NTSC. But yeah, even Nintendo's guilty of this sometimes. The PAL version of Pikmin 2 Wii can't be forced to NTSC like most Wii games. For a long time, the only way to play Pikmin 2 Wii in English was to have a TV that supported 50hz.StewShearer said:I think you mean Pal to NTSC (NTFS is file system format, which is kinda unrivaled now as FAT is dead). And if they bothered to program their games correctly (as in not do first grade programmer mistakes by locking game to refresh rate) there would be no costs. In this decade there is absolutely no reason to have region locks other than incompetence.
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and it's disturbing to think that people want a business be a charity rather than, you know... a businessMinionJoe said:Found the problem! Companies shouldn't spend "millions" on a title that only has a potential for 100,000 sales. Matching expenses to demand is the only way to make a profit.BNguyen said:...the millions that they would lose in developing a product, advertising it and finally paying back the developers, artists, graphic designers, etc. ...
It's disturbing to see the AAA mindset is affecting not only the companies, but also the consumers.
Yes, but you'll see games crossing over between Ps3, Xbox and PC. Even ones that are initially exclusive titles, while it's not as common. On the other hand you have Nintendo, which is pretty much Exclusives: The Console. Almost every game on the Wii and Wii U has been exclusively on the Wii or Wii U. The only exceptions I can think of are the games that they ported over from the Ps3 and Xbox onto the Wii U right when it came out.Lunar Templar said:you say that like Sony or Microsoft are any different with their exclusivesThe Almighty Aardvark said:Yeah, honestly I can't say I had much hope for that considering how tightly Nintendo holds their exclusives. I guess I'll have to settle for option two: hoping that a Wii U suddenly appears in my home sometime after its release
anyway, sounds like normal business to me, given how many times gamers have said 'oh yeah, I'll totally buy that' and then didn't, it's not surprising they give a low priority to petitions.
though the N-haters grasping at any extra reason to hate on Nintendo is amusing though
The Wiis entire lineup consisted of shovelware kept for the odd JRPG and ofcourse nintendos own brands of the ever same old metroid, super mario and zelda games.Atmos Duality said:Shovelware exists everywhere, on all systems. Has since the dawn of consoles.Karadalis said:And in the end cost them the Wii U cause everyone who bought the Wii got seriously burned by the lack of "real" games, what with all the crap shovelware games that drowned the entire Wii lineup beneath it.
There's been few to no "real games" on the WiiU; and that more than anything has driven demand down; not the Wii. (though your assertion works for "core" gamers; not so much the casuals that made the Wii a successful fad.)
I'd be willing to believe that if a gaggle of Mario Zelda and Pokemon didn't save the 3DS.The days where zelda, metroid and mario alone sold a nintendo product are long gone. To bad nintendo doesnt realize it.
Compare 2011 3DS sales to present; notice how it starting selling well right after the blitz of THREE sodding Mario games.
It works, and they know it.
It's really more Mario Zelda and Pokemon, thanks to Other M killing what momentum Metroid had going for it. That, and if you actually count the number of Metroid titles to date, it's actually quite niche despite being touted as a derivative Nintendo mainstay.Karadalis said:The Wiis entire lineup consisted of shovelware kept for the odd JRPG and ofcourse nintendos own brands of the ever same old metroid, super mario and zelda games.
Funny, every time I've entered the checkout aisle at a big brick and mortar chain for the last 6 years, I've seen shitloads of shovelware not just for the Wii, but the DS, PS3 and especially the Xbox 360. Just sitting there, all aisles, right down the lane. Not just in one store, but EVERY store like it (Wal-Mart, K-Mart, Target, Sears and Gamestop prior to 2012)Everything else where games not worth the medium they where printed on.
Atleast with other systems the shovelware is somewhat kept in check, but with nintendos consoles its like a never ending onslaught of crap.
To be blunt, I think you are GROSSLY EXAGGERATING the presence of quality 3rd party titles on the 3DS.And the reason their handhelds keep being successes is a) sonys Vita isnt a real alternative b) it has well established 3rd party support (seriously the DS had some amazing 3rd party games in and outside of japan) and c) they pretty much got the market cornered. Its also aparantly alot cheaper to develope for the 3ds then it is for the vita. Furthermore the ease of use compared to the Vita can also not be underestimated. The developers that where around during the DS time simply imigrated to the 3DS.
Agreed, though that's because western AAA publishers don't see handhelds as their own platform, but as either:Also note that most worthwhile 3DS games also come out of japan, the big western publishers and dev studios dont even bother with the handheld market.
Fixed that for you. Japan hates the Xbox as a brand; they see it as an intruder.However I was talking about brick and mortar kinda consoles, stuff you place in your living room. And in that perspective the Wii U simply has no meaning, the entire market outside of japan will focus aroundXbox andjust the playstation PLUS support from asian dev studios.
Well, yeah. Nintendo has all but flipped third parties the bird for nearly a decade now.Take dark souls for example.. its going to come out even on PC.. but not on the Wii U... and the same will be true for many more titles that will be available on ps4 xbox one and PC.. but again not for the Wii U. Or bethesda games... or Bioware games.. or any other big name games.. none of them are planned for the Wii U.
Well, I can actually agree with that to a degree.The casual gamers that made the Wii such a success went with their iphones and tablets, they dont need nor want a Wii 2.0 they allready have a Wii.
so basically they need to kiss the asses of the entitled gamers just to make a handful of sales rather than develop something that a larger portion of the gaming population would want, and in the end, go into the black in developing costs and employee paychecks making something that probably wouldn't sell that good anyways. The thing about these entitled gamers is that they can't agree on what they want from a game. There is no middle ground with them - basically the same as political parties, make one group happy, and another throws a hissy fit.Lo Flying Frying Pan said:That was a bang-up way to comment on the company relation to online-petitions. Maybe if the company involved itself in those petitions, with "considerate" disregard, they could salvage the generation. Nintendo, listen to the gamers and give into their calls. Their wallets are ripe and tender, just look out the window. Shhhh, shhhh, shhhh just let it happen.