Nintendo Shares Tumble Following Wii U Reveal

[starwarsgeek]

It's understandable. No one's excited for it.

This. Nintendo reveals successor to the Wii... It's a portable device. Capable of playing games at better graphics than the Wii. You know, the 3DS... I mean DS... I mean WiiU.

Seriously. They have three hand held devices now. That cannot support each other's games. This is dumb.

First of all, the 3DS can download DSiware and is backwards compatible for DS games. So, yeah, the new handheld supports regular DS software. Secondly, the Wii U is a home console, not a handheld. The trailer just focuses on the controller to show off its versatility.


Anyway, didn't the same thing happen when the Wii was announced? The Wii U will sell fine. I can't wait for mine.

 

[Frotality]

well, glad to know others are as unimpressed with the wii2 as i am. lightning doesnt strike twice, and nintendo's rather bizzare attempt to appeal to its original fans after years of betrayal isnt doing them any good. the casual market already has the wii, gamers have moved on to other consoles with less stupid controllers...apart from nintendo's cult-like fanboys , i dont know who this console is appealing to, and neither do shareholders.

the thing about jumping ship to an untapped market with the wii is that you really cant jump back with the same kind of crap you used to appeal to the new market; they've promised us hardware and games that other consoles have had for years, adding nothing but a bulky monster of a controller. theres nothing for their new market, and too little too late for us.

 

[Samurai Goomba]

Once again, this just proves the need to delete the word "gimmick" from the English language.

Huh? The meaning exists even if the word does not. A gimmick is just a cheap trick or draw designed to appeal to people for a reason other than the product being good.

I can't say the Wii U is bad (nobody can, yet), but if you could tell me what is objectively GOOD about the Wii's motion controls, after they've had all this time to make them work..? If you could point me to more than, say, 15 Wii games which fully integrate motion controls into the gameplay for an experience we couldn't get with a basic controller? 'Cause I could show you hundreds of games which were improved by legit advancements like dual analogue controls.

See, dual analogue was an objective improvement, because in almost EVERY genre its addition improves the game (usually by allowing better camera/look control.)

I don't see why anyone has a problem with people claiming Nintendo appeals with gimmicks. It's the truth. It's not bad or good, it's just what is happening. Nintendo makes very similar games and remakes old games, then spins them through a filter of gimmicks.

 

[Delusibeta]

From "The Gamer's Dictionary:"

GIMMICK - noun
1. Any change to the staus quo in controllers. (see also: Wii, DS, touch screens, analogue sticks, force feedback, D-pads)

Fix'd.

Unsurprisingly, the Nintendo hating crowd at the Escapist is predicting DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM (to borrow a Company of Heroes meme), just like I expect they did back at the Wii and the DS's unveiling.

The fact is that we don't know shit. We don't know how the general public will react to it, we don't know how successful it will be and thus we don't know how/if third parties will support it (Third parties, unlike the common misconception, does not care if the console has the power of two tin cans rubbed together. It only compares about the format that sells the most units for them, which at the moment is the 360, and any format they can make a fast buck porting their games to for without spending more than five bucks on the porting precess, which isn't guaranteed on the Wii. The PS2 was the weakest of the last generation of consoles, yet it had the biggest third party support. Why? Money, dear boy).

Ultimately, consoles are going to be reliant on changes (see the definition above) to stay ahead of alternative means of gaming (streaming services, tablets, phones etc). If the console experience can't be replicated anywhere else, people will by the console. Anyone expecting the next Xbox and the next PlayStation to be without a non-standard control scheme is deluded.

 

[Eri]

well, glad to know others are as unimpressed with the wii2 as i am. lightning doesnt strike twice, and nintendo's rather bizzare attempt to appeal to its original fans after years of betrayal isnt doing them any good. the casual market already has the wii, gamers have moved on to other consoles with less stupid controllers...apart from nintendo's cult-like fanboys , i dont know who this console is appealing to, and neither do shareholders.

the thing about jumping ship to an untapped market with the wii is that you really cant jump back with the same kind of crap you used to appeal to the new market; they've promised us hardware and games that other consoles have had for years, adding nothing but a bulky monster of a controller. theres nothing for their new market, and too little too late for us.

This is pretty much my thoughts. Even if it would now be on par with PS3/360, Why would I buy it when I've already invested tons in the other 2 systems? Too little too late for them.

 

[008Zulu_v1legacy]

"There were high expectations from the new version of the Wii and this fell far short," Tokai Tokyo Securities analyst Yusuke Tsunoda told Bloomberg [http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-06-08/nintendo-falls-amid-questions-whether-new-console-can-repeat-wii-s-success.html]. "People had expected to see something more at a big event like the E3, but there wasn't really anything more than what's already reported."

I am curious as to what they expected.

Its all well and good to say we expected more, but unless they actually say what it is they expected, then my guess is they are speaking just to sound like they are industry experts. That or they like to hear the sounds of their own voices.

(That isn't meant to be heard as negative commentary.)

 

[Gralian]

The reason i'm cynical about the WiiU is that, simply put, if this is the console expected to carry the next generation, it's going to look pretty poor compared to Microsoft's and Sony's next gen consoles which are estimated to be out some time in 2014. People are saying the WiiU targets 'hardcore' gamers, but honestly, when the status quo has been restored and all three next gen consoles are on the market, it will go back to the way things were - the most powerful machines being Sony and Microsoft and Nintendo with "last gen" hardware / graphical fidelity.

Personally, as someone who enjoys Nintendo games on occasion (i bought a Wii purely for first party software, Mario and friends have been a staple of my gaming life since my induction to the culture) the WiiU holds a lot more appeal than the Wii. This is because i always play sitting down, which can be difficult with motion controls like the Wiimote. With the WiiU's touch pad, i will be able to play sitting down. (i think) This is a step in the right direction for me and instantly holds appeal. The only quibble i have with the pad system is having to look at the screen on the pad. We don't look at our controllers when we play, and having to look down every five seconds will be a real pain. I remember when i let my dad have a go with an xbox controller for the first time, every few seconds he had to look at the buttons to make sure he was pressing the right one and it made the whole experience both painful for him and painful to watch. Now imagine that scenario every time you play a new game. Want to select Link's bow? Look at the screen. Want to select his bombs? Better look at the screen again. I honestly think it would be far more useful to the player to simply press the start button and call up the inventory screen and select it manually with an analogue stick rather than kinetically with a touch screen. Maybe the actual implementation will be less finicky than this, we'll have to wait and see.

The lack of announcements about their (new?) planned online services for the forseeable future is worrying, no-one wants to be messing around with friend codes. They need to put up a system akin to the PSN or Xbox Live if they hope to win back investors and compete in the global market. Lastly, because i am a huge xbox achievement addict, i will be waiting patiently for Microsoft's new console first before making the leap into the next generation. Sony's failures have been enough to dissuade me from buying into anymore of their products, and their exclusives (aside from Metal Gear Solid - which is exclusive no longer) aren't enough to draw me back in, especially compared to Nintendo. So while i may get a WiiU some time in the future, i am in no rush, and it will be after Microsoft's next gen console.

 

[Saucycarpdog]

I don't get the Wii U. It looks to me like a Nintendo version of the iPad. I heard you can only use it when you're next to a wii. Well, then what's the point? It seems just like a gameboy but bigger.

All this really offers is HD games for a nintendo device.

 

[4RM3D]

Based on expectations:
The 3DS failed
The WiiU failed

Nintendo seems to be in a downward spiral here.

 

[starwarsgeek]

I don't get the Wii U. It looks to me like a Nintendo version of the iPad. I heard you can only use it when you're next to a wii. Well, then what's the point? It seems just like a gameboy but bigger.

All this really offers is HD games for a nintendo device.

That's the controller. The Wii U is a new console.

 

[starwarsgeek]

Based on expectations:
The 3DS failed
The WiiU failed

Nintendo seems to be in a downward spiral here.

The 3DS is still a pretty new release. Ocarina of Time is coming out soon, and there were several big announcements at E3. Sales are going to pick up.

The Wii U, unless I've missed something, isn't out yet. Yes, the trailer failed. I've seen many comments from people who thought it was a peripheral or upgrade for the Wii. If there are people out there who don't even realize the console is a console, the trailer did not do its job, but you cannot claim the console has failed.

 

[Mackinator]

Very weird. Id wait to see more about the Wii U before passing judgement, because people thought Nintendo were crazy with the Wii and look how much money it made them...

 

[John Funk]

Once again, this just proves the need to delete the word "gimmick" from the English language.

Huh? The meaning exists even if the word does not. A gimmick is just a cheap trick or draw designed to appeal to people for a reason other than the product being good.

I can't say the Wii U is bad (nobody can, yet), but if you could tell me what is objectively GOOD about the Wii's motion controls, after they've had all this time to make them work..? If you could point me to more than, say, 15 Wii games which fully integrate motion controls into the gameplay for an experience we couldn't get with a basic controller? 'Cause I could show you hundreds of games which were improved by legit advancements like dual analogue controls.

See, dual analogue was an objective improvement, because in almost EVERY genre its addition improves the game (usually by allowing better camera/look control.)

I don't see why anyone has a problem with people claiming Nintendo appeals with gimmicks. It's the truth. It's not bad or good, it's just what is happening. Nintendo makes very similar games and remakes old games, then spins them through a filter of gimmicks.

Because "gimmick" has become so overused to the point of worthlessness, as it has come to mean "a feature which I do not personally use or find interesting." I agree with MovieBob [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.290151-Nintendo-Shares-Tumble-Following-Wii-U-Reveal?page=3#11509412].

 

[RedEyesBlackGamer]

Once again, this just proves the need to delete the word "gimmick" from the English language.

Yeah. If anything, the touchscreen/controller will be cumbersome. Too many practical applications to be a gimmick. But lordy, after seeing demonstrations, it looks unwieldy. Especially for someone with cerebral palsy and girl hands.

 

[4RM3D]

The 3DS is still a pretty new release. Ocarina of Time is coming out soon, and there were several big announcements at E3. Sales are going to pick up.

The Wii U, unless I've missed something, isn't out yet. Yes, the trailer failed. I've seen many comments from people who thought it was a peripheral or upgrade for the Wii. If there are people out there who don't even realize the console is a console, the trailer did not do its job, but you cannot claim the console has failed.

The 3DS failed to live up to the expectations
The WiiU failed to live up to the expectations

There, I fixed it. But then again, maybe people were expecting too much or didn't really know what to expect.

 

[Dexiro]

It's understandable. No one's excited for it.

With the move from the Gamecube to the Wii, Nintendo tapped into a vast previously dormant market, the casual gamer. They appealed to millions upon millions of family gamers who enjoyed the easy going motion controls that did way with the complicated controllers and keyboards and introduced a variety of family friendly games.

What they're trying to do with the Wii U makes absolutely no fucking sense. Instead of trying to further enrich their core casual gamer audience, they're trying to grab the attention of hardcore gamers.

It's not going to work. We're already invested in our Xbox 360s and PS3s and PCs. The Wii U, from what we've seen, is basically the processing power of a current gen console with a touch screen built into its controller. It's a silly gimmick that tries to appeal to hardcore gamers instead of casual gamers.

A fatal, fatal mistake by Nintendo. They're trying to tread on ground they're already defeated on instead of going after the casual market which they've dominated for so long.

Whether or not it pays off, we'll see.

Eh I'm excited for the new Wii, I know quite a lot of people that are. How do you figure Nintendo are only catering to the hardcore audience now? They said pretty clearly that they want to cater to both audiences as much as possible.

 

[Lex Darko]

It's because they essentially announced a PS3 or 360 with a suped up dreamcast controller.

I'd imagine the fact that they had to fudge the vids of third party support didn't help much either.

And now with Sony saying that their Vita will probably be able to do exactly what the Wii U will do... but like a year sooner.

Exactly what market will this console have when it comes out?

I think the nifty little (not exactly) controller is interesting. But if Sony actually manage to get their Vita doing it a year before. There really won't be much point in buying a new console.

Especially considering it doesn't add any graphical fidelity that isn't already available with more established consoles.

Honestly, it was all smoke and mirrors. When you think about it for a second. They were announcing a console that didn't do anything the other big 2 don't do, apart from the gimmicky controller. And now Sony are saying 'Actually our new hand held can probably do this too.'

Personally, I'm getting a Vita and if it ends up being able to do that kind of shit. I won't even bother thinking about getting a Wii U.

Sony has already done what Nintendo says the WiiU will do. If you don't believe me go to youtube search "Lair psp" or just look at Sony's press conference when they were showing the demo of Ruin.

Now I won't say there isn't a market for the WiiU, but I won't say that the WiiU will convert core gamers from other platforms either.

The fact that the 3DS and the PS Vita are the same price doesn't bode well for Nintendo either; considering the amount of features in the Vita it doesn't take a software engineer, rocket scientist, or an economist to tell you where consumers will find more value.

 

[BNguyen]

They announced a new console, with far more processing power and better tech than either the 360 or the PS3

Yep, and people will already be playing or be able to play most of the big AAA titles on the Xbox 360s and PS3s they already own. Furthermore, even if the numbers and raw power is above what the 360 and PS3 are capable of I doubt it will be large enough to get people to justify upgrading just to play the same games they are already able to play.

an interesting new controller that adds a touchscreen display to a traditional controller layout (as opposed to another waggy-stick)

And who under god's hot sun wanted this? It may have some interesting functionality but ultimately it just screams gimmick. They want to have "traditional controls" how about they throw a few analog sticks, a D-Pad and some buttons on a controller and leave well enough alone.

And who under God's sun wanted touch screen phones or TVs that could connect to the internet? Huh? People don't want new things. They want to stick with the old as it degrades and soon becomes no longer functional, but hey, as long as it doesn't change from what I'm used to instead of into something that could be potentially fun and exciting, I'm happy.
Anybody who's ever said that they didn't like something new but now use it (whatever it may be) on a daily basis is a hypocrite.
Apple was pretty much just gimmick until it became a hot seller or pretty much all new electronics. Don't throw around the word gimmick like it's something useless - by creating gimmicks, you can open up a previously closed market and make things that appeal to a wider array of consumers

and here's an idea, maybe some people couldn't shell out for a 360 or PS3 to play titles exclusively for those systems or that those were the only games for those systems that they wanted, so why not create a system capable of running those titles along with hundreds of other games that people already enjoy
a big waste of money to buy a system for one feature instead of a system with hundreds of features

 

[Reyalsfeihc]

I`m honestly quite surprised no one`s brought this up yet but if the controller is projecting your inventory or something important that means you`ll either have to have amazing peripheral vision, hold the controller out in front of your face, or constantly look up and down.

 

[BNguyen]

It's understandable. No one's excited for it.


Eh I'm excited for the new Wii, I know quite a lot of people that are. How do you figure Nintendo are only catering to the hardcore audience now? They said pretty clearly that they want to cater to both audiences as much as possible.

exactly, this new console could open up doors for countless small companies like the ones that make games for the iPhone, some things that could only be done with a touch screen can now be brought to the big screen, I'm sure that a good 60% to 70% of the gaming market's population owns and or operates a touchscreen phone - I for one, am excited to see what the new console can do and what kinds of games will be brought out,
and even further down the line - how will Microsoft and Sony copy in order to cash in
I mean, they've already tried to push in motion controls
After all, the concept of the 'hardcore gamer' is slowly fading as more people are becoming available to market to