Can people also start remembering, the Unreal Engine isnt used just to make FPS games. Yes thats probably it's primary application, but it can run other genres succesfully.
Nintendo's 3DS Specs Too Low for Epic's Unreal Engine
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Dude you forgot KID FU***** ICARUSMovieBob said:Well, that tears it then - the 3DS can't count on graphics to be it's selling-point. What will Nintendo possibly sell it on, now - exclusivity for Mario, Zelda, Kirby, Metroid, Smash Bros. and StarFox games? How can a system live on just THAT!!??
In all seriousness, while it's theoretically interesting to see Epic wanting to push the handheld envelope - but what's the logic in completely writing-off what's almost-certainly going to be the handheld that actually matters? Let's be frank about this - smartphones aren't universal or stable enough to be serious gaming platforms at this juncture, and if the PSP2 really is just a more muscular PSP with a phone built in it's probably going to mirror it's predecessor in not being worth much outside of a handful of titles that only Japan really cares about.
So what's Epic's "angle" here, exactly? Are they gambling that they're going to make the game that "makes" smartphone-gaming or the PSP2? Because if they don't have a plan, they're basically taking the equivalent position of a musician who decides to only record his music at a frequency that human beings haven't evolved to hear yet.
"It's below our [minimum specifications], from what we can tell. We don't have a 3DS, so there's no way for us to verify that," Rein said. "Everything we've been led to believe is that it's below our min-spec. You couldn't do a game that looks like [Epic Citadel] on it, for example."
"We really don't know enough about it to make a formal comment, but I think if they considered that our engine would be good on it, they would have probably talked to us about it,"
Thats not a write off, they didn't even say they wouldn't target the platform in some fashion, fact is unless Nintendo gives you the all clear you can't develop for the system anyway, Hell even SCEE (Sony Computer Entertainment Europe) up in london has a functioning 3DS Devkit.
Somehow I think Nintendo just isn't interested in Epic's business
So is Nintendo always gonna be graphically one step backwards while being technologically one step forward?
wtf. y cant they just be better all around? Grr Nintendo!
and Quit jumping the gun EPIC
wtf. y cant they just be better all around? Grr Nintendo!
and Quit jumping the gun EPIC
First: why does this matter. So a platform with no tactile feedback in terms of its controls can run the unreal engine. Big fucking whoop. They had to code the engine to run on it didn't they?
Second: Without a DS demo kit in their hands, how the fuck does Epic even know it won't run? Answer, they don't.
Conclusion: Epic, put up or shut up. Also Mark Rein needs to not run his mouth so much...hell everybody at Epic could do with a little bit of self-control in regards to spouting off just about whatever they feel like.
Side Note: Are we seriously going to have the "hurf durf iPhone bettar than 3DS cuz tech specs" argument in this thread as well? Are we? I honestly think at this point it's a bit unfair to look at spec sheets and declare one is clearly superior to the other when
A) The iPhone is not a dedicated gaming console and thus needs to have more theoretical power in regards to things like its OS, media capabilities, etc.
B) the 3DS isn't out yet
and
C) Nobody here has even touched a 3DS so how can they make that kind of judgement.
Second: Without a DS demo kit in their hands, how the fuck does Epic even know it won't run? Answer, they don't.
Conclusion: Epic, put up or shut up. Also Mark Rein needs to not run his mouth so much...hell everybody at Epic could do with a little bit of self-control in regards to spouting off just about whatever they feel like.
Side Note: Are we seriously going to have the "hurf durf iPhone bettar than 3DS cuz tech specs" argument in this thread as well? Are we? I honestly think at this point it's a bit unfair to look at spec sheets and declare one is clearly superior to the other when
A) The iPhone is not a dedicated gaming console and thus needs to have more theoretical power in regards to things like its OS, media capabilities, etc.
B) the 3DS isn't out yet
and
C) Nobody here has even touched a 3DS so how can they make that kind of judgement.
It is funny how after three sides of thread in wich numeros Commenters spoke and wrote about the power of Iphone compared to the 3DS still ask: "Doh!? Isn't the 3DS better than a phone? Duh!?"
That clearly shows that some are to lazy to read and just senselessly throw some words into a empty field cause it's obviously there to be filled. X-P
That clearly shows that some are to lazy to read and just senselessly throw some words into a empty field cause it's obviously there to be filled. X-P
While it's good you know how to look at and compare postive integers with similar units, you fall into a fairly common trap of assuming that the numbers are equivalent.aaaaaDisregard said:
First off, remember that while the R4000 CPU in the PSP can hit 333MHz, it's intentionally clocked at 222 because of power and heat.
Second, you would do well to remember that comparing raw numbers like CPU clock and GPU poly rendering becomes highly misleading even between devices in the same generation. I can't be the only one who remembers how Pentium 4s stacked up against Athlons with much lower core clocks. In this particular case, the R4000 design is from the early 90s (these things were in SGI's Indy for crying out loud). While the R4000 does feature a superscalar design, barrel-shifter, and single-clock execution (for everything that isn't division or SqRt); it unfortunately doesn't include many of the common innovations found in the intervening decade. New approaches to instruction parallelism, OOE, improvements to pipelining, multiple ISA revisions.... as you can see, it's hardly a simple apples to apples comparison. And the 3DS has two of these.
Further, The Pica200 is much more powerful than their old marketing pdf would indicate. The updated specs place it at around 400Mps fill and 40Mt at 100MHz.[1] At 200MHz (nominally what Nintendo is packing), it might even best the PS2 (which was difficult to program, but really was a poly-pushing monster. Raw performance only exceeded by the Gamecube, as I recall) and certainly towers over the PSP.
You are, however, correct that the Cortex-A8 is a brilliant piece of kit.
Does Epic make games? Rarely. Does Epic make games worth playing? Not since 1999. That might have something to do with it. :/jamesworkshop said:
Note the screen scale. Much smaller framebuffer, lower texture resolution, likely a compressed colour space to save bits (555 like the DS?). Also, it manages to do everything much much faster than the Mach-series VGA cards....dochmbi said:
[1] http://people.csail.mit.edu/kapu/EG_08/Mobile3D_EG08.pdf
"it unfortunately doesn't include many of the common innovations found in the intervening decade... OOE"WyattEpp said:
Oh my god, you've mentioned out of order execution*facepalm*.
Since when exactly does ARMv6 support this magnificent feature? As far as I know even X360's and PS3's PowerPC processors don't possess its power. And so you know, ARMv6 is a scalar architecture without those pretty NEON instructions. Meanwhile PSP has vector FPU in addition to regular FPU.
While comparing "postive integers with similar units" can be deceptive, it certainly gives rough estimate of power and functionality.
While you have good enough memory to remember AMD's K7 architecture and its edge over Netburst, you are too fast to forget about Athlon XP's 3 FPU pipelines and shorter execution pipeline.
You also forget that this funny MIPS R4000 was quite advanced for the beginning of 90s - I'd say it was much more advanced than Intel 80486, which is about the same level of complexity with ARMv6 CPUs like the one supposedly installed in Nintendo 3DS.
And the last one - you're clearly far from being very knowledgeable about PSP hardware - otherwise you'd know that its CPU can reach 333MHz with updated firmware which was released alongside God Of War - Chains Of Olympus.
As for GPU - I didn't imply it was advanced - 3DS's one is much better, especially in terms of capabilities, but it still isn't magnitudes better. Not very impressive, considering that PSP will celebrate its 6th anniversary soon.