Nintendo's Market Has Collapsed, Says Namco Bandai Boss

[BlackStar42]

Don't see it. Besides, the PS2 had just as much (probably more) shovelware and that did alright.

Don't forget the 3DS either.

I'm going to be severely pessimistic and use the past to predict the future.

Spoiler: Behold the FUUUUTTTTTTUUREE!!!

NOOOOOO! Where is my time machine? I must prevent this abomination!

 

[Jared]

I can only imagine which Microsoft and Song coming out soon with there own version of what the Wii does...then, it might be time to let the dog lay to rest, so to speak...thats if they steal all the market shares

 

[Adzma]

I'll repeat my thoughts after EA complained about nobody buying 'Dead Space: Extraction'

You can not starve a person for years and then complain when their corpse doesn't eat the five course meal you spent all day cooking.

If these companies actually got off their collective butts when the Wii first came out (when there was a ravenous audience waiting for 'hardcore' games) and actually made some decent games that played to the system's strengths (instead of just porting PS2 games with tacked-on motion controls) then the market for the console wouldn't be as lop-sided as it is now.

My thoughts exactly. Last time I played the Wii was when Mario Galaxy 2 was released. Then I realised it sucked and moved back to the Xbox and PS3. I love that simply because Nintendo makes it, it can get a perfect score while it's simply the first game repackaged with Yoshi thrown at it.

The core market has moved on. That's why Yahtzee's correct in saying 3rd party developers should give up on the Wii. Let Nintendo wallow in the grave they're digging.

 

[JoJo]

This made my day. I hate the DS and I hate the Wii.

The sooner they both disappear and those abominations they call "games" die with them, the better.

Come on man, that isn't nice, just because you don't like a particular console doesn't mean that no-one else should have fun with it!

 

[Aesthetical Quietus]

re: The piracy: I still think Nintendo are idiots for not having some kind of DS download store that lets you buy official games for the flash cartidges.

It's all well and good deploying the defending their property and income argument, but it's too late now, they've already failed at it. At least that way they stand to make some kind of income out of the situation.

re: The market collapse: That might be true, but Ninendo's collapsed market still seems to be substantially larger the other two manufacturer's apparently healthy market. Nice place to be to be honest.

The PR collapse from such an about turn. [R4's are completly evil -> r4 is completly legitimate], would likely be too much.

 

[fletch_talon]

I propose we add some new rules to these forums. Ones that if broken result in instant probation followed by suspension if problems persist.

1) Console x does not lack games, nor does it only have shitty ones. Its not the console's fault that your taste in games differs from its target audience or that you're too lazy to put the effort into finding the good games.

2) Nintendo/Sony/Microsoft are not solely responsible for games made for their respective consoles.
eg. It is not Nintendo's fault that game developer y keeps making Baby Shakes a Rattle sequels rather than worthwhile games.

3) Being a pirate is not cool, nor is it something to be proud of. Those who do derive pride from it are scum and are no better than common shoplifters or other criminals. Also note, you are the problem, not the solution. You are the cause of DRM not the effect. And you are not Robin hood you are the petty thief who nobody remembers due to your opinion of yourself being much higher than your level of intelligence.

4) If you state hatred or ill will towards a console or developer give a valid reason or get the fuck out.

I could probably think of more, but its just a dream.

 

[WaffleGod]

Don't own a DS or a Wii. So, I don't care at all. IMO, most PC Indy games are like 100x as good as most Wii games anyway. And they're usually cheaper too!!!

 

[obex]

Yeh good one like the market for portable gaming would collapse on the company which practically has a monopoly because of piracy (this guy needs took check if home recording killed music or if vhs killed cinema then get back to us). As for shovelware? It doesnt cost Nintendo anything and only soils reputation for other company's people wont stop buying mario just because "Barbies horse adventure" wasnt good

Also if you think that the Wii's market is about to collapse well its your word against the big three because not only is Nintendo making no attempt to move out of a apparently "collapsed" market but Microsoft and Sony are moving INTO this market. But if this guy wants to say that Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft are all incapable of identifying their market segments well then good for him.

 

[starwarsgeek]

I propose we add some new rules to these forums. Ones that if broken result in instant probation followed by suspension if problems persist.

1) Console x does not lack games, nor does it only have shitty ones. Its not the console's fault that your taste in games differs from its target audience or that you're too lazy to put the effort into finding the good games.

2) Nintendo/Sony/Microsoft are not solely responsible for games made for their respective consoles.
eg. It is not Nintendo's fault that game developer y keeps making Baby Shakes a Rattle sequels rather than worthwhile games.

3) Being a pirate is not cool, nor is it something to be proud of. Those who do derive pride from it are scum and are no better than common shoplifters or other criminals. Also note, you are the problem, not the solution. You are the cause of DRM not the effect. And you are not Robin hood you are the petty thief who nobody remembers due to your opinion of yourself being much higher than your level of intelligence.

4) If you state hatred or ill will towards a console or developer give a valid reason or get the fuck out.

I could probably think of more, but its just a dream.

I wholeheartedly agree with this post.

It also saddens me to see all the nintendo hatred; playing the Wii and DS is some of the most fun I've had in years. Sure, it's got loads of crap, but so does the 360 and PS3--which are plagued with Madden and boring, generic-looking "hardcore" games that gives one the impression that the developers are allergic to the primary colors.

 

[CK76]

For right now Nintendo has been vindicated making tons of money. Mario has already sold millions a month into its release and Wii and DS continue to sell more than PS3, 360 and PSP by fair margin. Is it sustainable for another generation? We shall see.

 

[BlueHighwind]

Isn't Namco-Bandai that company that lost 300 million dollars last year? I guess they would know something or other about a collapsed market.

 

[Trebort]

This made my day. I hate the DS and I hate the Wii.

The sooner they both disappear and those abominations they call "games" die with them, the better.

Come on man, that isn't nice, just because you don't like a particular console doesn't mean that no-one else should have fun with it!

It's the ultimate dumbing down of gaming, the faster it dies the better.

 

[JoJo]

This made my day. I hate the DS and I hate the Wii.

The sooner they both disappear and those abominations they call "games" die with them, the better.

Come on man, that isn't nice, just because you don't like a particular console doesn't mean that no-one else should have fun with it!

It's the ultimate dumbing down of gaming, the faster it dies the better.

Why? No-ones forcing you to play them if you don't want to. There are whole genres of games which I personally cannot stand but I don't wish for them to be destroyed, "different strokes for different folks"!

 

[Miumaru]

Why is every company an expert on every other company? This stuff is popping up too much.

 

[UberNoodle]

WHich is really interesting because, I sold my Xbox 360 and Ps3 BECAUSE I couldn't stand the so-called 'hardcore' gaming culture today. Bickering and fighting, career gamers, over saturation of formula. I am not going back to either brand unless they start catering for 'hardcore' gamers who aren't multiplayers. Finding a decent single player experience SHOULDN'T be hard, and it shouldn't be only in a selection of genres.

So I went for a Wii. Why? Because it matched my lifestyle - I can play without pressure, there's no need to play constantly to 'stay on the ball', and there are many bite sized games and a lot of variation. AND the hardcore games are not many, but they are stellar. My library for Wii is a fraction of what I had for the other two systems, but whenever I slip into Samus's suit, or play Muramasa, Project Zero, or SMG - I don't care.

I miss the RPGs like FO3 and ME1 and 2, but they weren't worth suffering the over focus on multiplayer and the whiny community. I am glad I am out. I can say that I love SMG or Metroid Prime Tril, and who jumps down my throat for it? Who lectures me in 'gaming history' or posts screenshots with circles drawn around jaggies and pixels?

So, I really don't like it when these business men (usually in the Western branches of these developers) talk about gaming with the multiplayer 'hardcore' as the model crowd.

 

[UberNoodle]

This made my day. I hate the DS and I hate the Wii.

The sooner they both disappear and those abominations they call "games" die with them, the better.

Come on man, that isn't nice, just because you don't like a particular console doesn't mean that no-one else should have fun with it!

It's the ultimate dumbing down of gaming, the faster it dies the better.

Yeah, Metroid Prime Trilogy, Super Mario Galaxy, Muramasa, and ... I am not going to list the 20 or so excellent hardcore titles released for the system because you have Google.

I can understand that you dislike the system, but it's attitudes like yours that drove me from Xbox and Ps3. WTF is with you people and all your extremism? "HATE HATE HATE! DIE DIE DIE!" Sheesh!

"Ultimate dumbing down"? No. That happened when the braincells of the hardcore got quite clearly reduced. Hardcore gaming seems less about having fun, as it is about sinking the boot in as much as possible - so much so that it has become a game in itself. Disgraceful.

Would you be illogical enough to say that Disney movies are 'dumbing down' the film industry? That 'Lady Gaga' is dumbing down the music industry? That Harry Potter is dumbing down literature? I hope not. Those products meet a demand by certain markets, just as Wii does. None of those products remove opportunities from 'hardcore' markets, and ACTUALLY they are often so profitable that they FUND the 'hardcore' titles that you prefer.

Every Road Trip movie has helped fund some award winning peice of cinema. Every 'point and shake' Wii game has made some developer or publisher that much more economically healthy, that they could put another million dollars into the next special forces shooting game set in the Middle East.

The Wii isn't killing anything. It is making the market inclusive of so many more people than irritable boys and manchildren. I think that is the main reason it is so hated - that it is perceived as stealing the 'specialness' of what was once an exclusive pastime.

 

[Danpascooch]

I didn't know it was easy to pirate for the DS with the cartridges and all...

 

[squid5580]

A new store just opened up in my town. In the window display it reads R4 cards available here and they have a box of one underneath the sign. Sad that a device like that is so available.

 

[Rensenhito]

So who, exactly, is THIS guy to say these things?
Sure, he works for Namco-Bandai, but what have they done recently? I haven't seen any halfway-decent games from NB since Soul Calibur whatever-the-last-one-was.

 

[midpipps]

Why can these people not get it through their heads that they need to stop making doomsday prophecies and actually get down to making good quality titles. Even if he does feel this way why would he go out in public to say it to a news group. I will never understand the trend lately of companies taking pot shots at other companies who they are not even in rivalry with.
(I can sort of understand nintendo bashing MS or Sony or the other way around but really if you may possibly make a game for that system why would you bash it)