No Dragon Age 2 for Suspended BioWare Forumite - UPDATED

Snotnarok

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Game companies: Giving more reasons to pirate their games on a daily basis.

<*actually bought the game and isn't promoting piracy merely making a statement that companies are stupid, thus giving reason to pirate, I'm paranoid about being banned so sue me.
 

Ren3004

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It is a ridiculous situation, and I hope he is given access to the game by EA.

However, I like the hypocrisy of buying their games when he has such a negative opinion of the company.
 

andiblac

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I get that he did something wrong and got banned by his smart@$$ comment, but keeping a person from playing a game they just paid for? That seems a bit over the line Bioware... (>.>) (<.<)
 

KefkaCultist

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Andy Chalk said:
The BioWare Social Network user known as "v_ware" received notification yesterday that he'd been suspended from the service for 72 hours
Cry about it? He can play his game once he's unsuspended in 3 days.

He claims the reason is that he asked, presumably in a forum post, if BioWare had "sold your souls to the EA devil?" It's a pretty thin reason to suspend someone, although we have nothing but his word to go on in that regard, but he acknowledges his transgression and appears willing to accept the punishment.
Seems like a perfectly good reason to suspend someone. He is insulting the developer and publisher of the game not giving constructive criticism. Sure, its not a terrible comment and thats why he only gets 72 hours and not a perma-ban.

His more serious problem is that his forum suspension means he can't activate and play the shiny new Dragon Age 2 Signature Edition he purchased from the EA Store. "I already knew I was going play it without the extra content since I can't activate my extra codes," he wrote with an alternate account. "What I did not know was that I needed to activate the game before being able to play it. So now I've got a dead game for 50 euros."
Wait, wait, wait... This idiot made a negative comment of the game BEFORE playing it...? He fully deserves this! Again, he can wait 3 days for the suspension then play. He isn't gonna die.

The whole thing had the appearance of an "oops" on BioWare's part until community rep Stanley Woo weighed in. He explained that while BioWare community bans are "forum only," EA community bans are a different beast and can affect access to games and DLC, even when the games in question, like Dragon Age 2, are single-player. "Because the BioWare community now operates under the same umbrella as all EA Communities, community members here have all explicitly agreed to abide by and be governed by both sets of rules," he wrote. "Consider it an added incentive to follow the rules you say you're going to follow."
Maybe the idiot should have activated his game before bad mouthing the people who made it? Just a thought...

As Kotaku pointed out, the situation isn't something that's likely to happen very often because v_ware bought it online from the EA Store and hadn't installed it prior to the suspension. But it did happen; by BioWare's own admission, a customer is being refused access to a game he dropped 60 bucks on because he said something he shouldn't have on a forum. And if it happened once, it can happen again, more or less at EA's discretion. Calling that an "incentive to follow the rules" is one way of looking at it, I suppose, but I'm inclined to frame it in somewhat less polite terms.
Again, he should have INSTALLED THE GAME before making negative comments with no value other than to insult. AND his suspension is only 3 days so he'll be able to play once its done.

I know many are siding with this guy, but I just cannot. In my view he wholly deserves his three day suspension and if he really wanted to play the game that he made a negative comment about then maybe he should have freakin' installed it before he typed said comment.
 
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Why is this news? "Random dude can't play DA2! Everyone get up in arms over it!"
The reason why this is news is that it clearly shows willingness by a company to exact a disproportionate response to a perceived injustice. As end users, we've tolerated their extreme levels of DRM and control over our access to their software solely on the promise that they'd be fair about keeping it. We're seeing that companies, at least EA and Bioware, cannot be trusted with that degree of power.

Asking whether Bioware had sold your souls to the EA devil is hardly cause to ban someone from a forum, let alone block them from registering games. Presuming this is the reason the poor sod was blocked, it was inappropriate action by the moderator.

I'm curious, on the other hand, if said moderator knew the full consequences of his suspending the guy. If this is genuinely the first time that someone was inhibited from playing a game due to overzealous forum policing, this may be a matter of an overreaching policy, a la the Bloody Code [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Code]

EA could escape backlash if they apologized, updated their policies (or at least trained their forum moderators) and compensated the fellow in some small way. (Here, have a free game.) I suspect EA will remain inept about it, in which case, I advise everyone to do as DTWolfwood suggests and avoid the Bioware and EA forums. Indeed, there are plenty of places to dialogue, and no reason to risk the consequences of distressing their forum serenity.

Incidentally, has there been any case taken to court in which egregious segments of a EULA (or a ToS) were upheld? Most of these are contracts that have never been challenged, usually due to lack of need, and a lot have been resolved by settlement or through arbitration so as to avoid rocking the EULA boat. If it ever emerged that a EULA (or, again, a ToS) was absolutely legally binding, or was absolutely not, a lot of shit would proceed to go down.

Incidentally, Whargarble, the Bill of Rights is in full effect within the US and to American corporations. No private entity, including your workplace, can prevent you from speaking your mind (with reasonable limits, e.g. slander, panic-inducing speech, classified data, etc.), or technically, can search your belongings when leaving their brick-and-mortar store. These issues are seldom challenged in court (exceptions being things like the right to assembly on school grounds), which is why institutions get away with it. But there's valid grounds for a suit here, if he can prove that damages were incurred from not getting to play the game.

Comparably, if Microsoft ever used their kill switch for Vista or Windows 7 and caused a person or business to lose a day's work, they would be liable for it, unless they had ironclad cause to do so.

238U.
 

Knight Templar

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That is disgusting, wait a moment.
Chris Priestly [http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/141/index/6465725/48#6483189] claims it was some kind of glitch, and they only meant to deny him access to his DLC.
But that it can happen is terrible.

You may want to update the story I guess.
 

Venereus

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KefkaCultist said:
suspended from the service for 72 hours.
Cry about it? He can play his game once he's unsuspended in 3 days.

He claims the reason is that he asked, presumably in a forum post, if BioWare had "sold your souls to the EA devil?" It's a pretty thin reason to suspend someone, although we have nothing but his word to go on in that regard, but he acknowledges his transgression and appears willing to accept the punishment.
Seems like a perfectly good reason to suspend someone. He is insulting the developer and publisher of the game not giving constructive criticism. Sure, its not a terrible comment and thats why he only gets 72 hours and not a perma-ban.

His more serious problem is that his forum suspension means he can't activate and play the shiny new Dragon Age 2 Signature Edition he purchased from the EA Store. "I already knew I was going play it without the extra content since I can't activate my extra codes," he wrote with an alternate account. "What I did not know was that I needed to activate the game before being able to play it. So now I've got a dead game for 50 euros."
Wait, wait, wait... This idiot made a negative comment of the game BEFORE playing it...? He fully deserves this! Again, he can wait 3 days for the suspension then play. He isn't gonna die.

The whole thing had the appearance of an "oops" on BioWare's part until community rep Stanley Woo weighed in. He explained that while BioWare community bans are "forum only," EA community bans are a different beast and can affect access to games and DLC, even when the games in question, like Dragon Age 2, are single-player. "Because the BioWare community now operates under the same umbrella as all EA Communities, community members here have all explicitly agreed to abide by and be governed by both sets of rules," he wrote. "Consider it an added incentive to follow the rules you say you're going to follow."
Maybe the idiot should have activated his game before bad mouthing the people who made it? Just a thought...

As Kotaku pointed out, the situation isn't something that's likely to happen very often because v_ware bought it online from the EA Store and hadn't installed it prior to the suspension. But it did happen; by BioWare's own admission, a customer is being refused access to a game he dropped 60 bucks on because he said something he shouldn't have on a forum. And if it happened once, it can happen again, more or less at EA's discretion. Calling that an "incentive to follow the rules" is one way of looking at it, I suppose, but I'm inclined to frame it in somewhat less polite terms.
Again, he should have INSTALLED THE GAME before making negative comments with no value other than to insult. AND his suspension is only 3 days so he'll be able to play once its done.

I know many are siding with this guy, but I just cannot. In my view he wholly deserves his three day suspension and if he really wanted to play the game that he made a negative comment about then maybe he should have freakin' installed it before he typed said comment.
Where did you read his criticism was aimed at the game? We don't know exactly what it was, just that he asked Bioware if they "sold their souls to the EA devil". Why don't you get your facts straight before calling other people idiots?
And as has been said several times before about this whole thing, it doesn't matter what he did and what punishment you think he deserves, EA should not be allowed to lock him out if the game he legally paid for.
 

KefkaCultist

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Venereus said:
KefkaCultist said:
Where did you read his criticism was aimed at the game? We don't know exactly what it was, just that he asked Bioware if they "sold their souls to the EA devil". Why don't you get your facts straight before calling other people idiots?
And as has been said several times before about this whole thing, it doesn't matter what he did and what punishment you think he deserves, EA should not be allowed to lock him out if the game he legally paid for.
Okay fine, I'll admit that maybe he wasn't talking about DA2 (I assumed it was DA2 since this is recent and that game has received a lot of heat for various reasons), but it was still aimed at the developer and publisher.

Also, he isn't permanently locked from installing the game. It is only a 3 day SUSPENSION a.k.a. it doesn't last forever. I'm 99% sure that once his 72 hours are up he can go ahead and play.
 

Johnnyallstar

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Wow. What a dick move by EA. I think a simple ban of the forums might be appropriate, but ban from even installing the game?

Man, and I was even starting to give EA some slack.
 

Venereus

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KefkaCultist said:
Venereus said:
KefkaCultist said:
Where did you read his criticism was aimed at the game? We don't know exactly what it was, just that he asked Bioware if they "sold their souls to the EA devil". Why don't you get your facts straight before calling other people idiots?
And as has been said several times before about this whole thing, it doesn't matter what he did and what punishment you think he deserves, EA should not be allowed to lock him out if the game he legally paid for.
Okay fine, I'll admit that maybe he wasn't talking about DA2 (I assumed it was DA2 since this is recent and that game has received a lot of heat for various reasons), but it was still aimed at the developer and publisher.

Also, he isn't permanently locked from installing the game. It is only a 3 day SUSPENSION a.k.a. it doesn't last forever. I'm 99% sure that once his 72 hours are up he can go ahead and play.
May be 72 hours are not that much for you, but it might be a big deal for others. What if those 3 days had been the one weekend he could afford to spend with the game? Anyway, when publishers are locking you out of your games, where do you draw the line? A week? A year? How much time are your rights and your dignity worth to you?
 

KefkaCultist

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Venereus said:
May be 72 hours are not that much for you, but it might be a big deal for others. What if those 3 days had been the one weekend he could afford to spend with the game? Anyway, when publishers are locking you out of your games, where do you draw the line? A week? A year? How much time are your rights and your dignity worth to you?
Well if three days is all he could afford to play Dragon Age II then he'd be missing out...

Look, the guy had not activated his game yet. The suspension stops him from activating codes. If he had had the code activated then he'd be able to play right now. They're not purposely stopping him from playing the game, it just so happened that he hadn't redeemed the code.

If he really wanted to play right now couldn't he just make a new account and activate the game on that?

Also, I wouldn't make a dumb ass insult of a developer on a forum run by said developer, so they can do whatever and I don't care.

Anyway I'm going now, not getting into an argument over this because you obviously have your opinion and I have mine neither of which are going to change any time soon

EDIT: Woops, I hit reply instead of quote. Edited in your post.
 

Atmos Duality

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Sigh.
Annoying. Delayed commentary (I caught this in the general gaming forum earlier and commented there; it's always the chicken-egg problem on this site where duplicate news threads are concerned).

It isn't kind to badmouth your patrons, but suspending the user from registering and playing their game? Well, that sounds like something that should be addressed, at least in coda.
 

subtlefuge

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This whole event has spawned some of the most disgusting white knighting I've seen on the internet. Coming from a SA forums user, that's saying quite a bit. I'll never call myself a Bioware fan (not that I would have anyway) because I'd be ashamed of being lumped in with the lot on the Bioware forums.

Also: If Bioware has no control over who gets banned on their forums, and what effects that has, how could they possibly deny that they have sold themselves to the EA devil?