No Dragon Age 2 for Suspended BioWare Forumite - UPDATED

MorphingDragon

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Uriel-238 said:
Incidentally, has there been any case taken to court in which egregious segments of a EULA (or a ToS) were upheld? Most of these are contracts that have never been challenged, usually due to lack of need, and a lot have been resolved by settlement or through arbitration so as to avoid rocking the EULA boat. If it ever emerged that a EULA (or, again, a ToS) was absolutely legally binding, or was absolutely not, a lot of shit would proceed to go down.
Plenty of times EULAs have been upheld. The most recent example I can think of is Apple vs Psystar. It all depends on whether if the clauses are legal. MAc OSX's EULA happened to be backed up by Copyright and DMCA laws. If they were illegal clauses, they would've probably not held up.

http://www.businessweek.com/the_thread/techbeat/archives/2009/11/apple_crushes_c.html

OT Though, This is why I still have this naive wish that Valve makes Steam a full on competitor to EA/Activision (Disc distribution, advertising and everything). Valve haven't really seemed to abuse their power over steam accounts.
 

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MorphingDragon said:
Uriel-238 said:
Incidentally, has there been any case taken to court in which egregious segments of a EULA (or a ToS) were upheld? Most of these are contracts that have never been challenged, usually due to lack of need, and a lot have been resolved by settlement or through arbitration so as to avoid rocking the EULA boat. If it ever emerged that a EULA (or, again, a ToS) was absolutely legally binding, or was absolutely not, a lot of shit would proceed to go down.
Plenty of times EULAs have been upheld. The most recent example I can think of is Apple vs Psystar. It all depends on whether if the clauses are legal. MAc OSX's EULA happened to be backed up by Copyright and DMCA laws. If they were illegal clauses, they would've probably not held up.

http://www.businessweek.com/the_thread/techbeat/archives/2009/11/apple_crushes_c.html

OT Though, This is why I still have this naive wish that Valve makes Steam a full on competitor to EA/Activision (Disc distribution, advertising and everything). Valve haven't really seemed to abuse their power over steam accounts.
May be they're just waiting for more people to fall into their trap before pulling the trigger.
 

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EA devils indeed.
I have several fairly impolite things to say about this.
I'll leave it up to your imagination as to what exactly that is.
 

MorphingDragon

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Venereus said:
MorphingDragon said:
Uriel-238 said:
Incidentally, has there been any case taken to court in which egregious segments of a EULA (or a ToS) were upheld? Most of these are contracts that have never been challenged, usually due to lack of need, and a lot have been resolved by settlement or through arbitration so as to avoid rocking the EULA boat. If it ever emerged that a EULA (or, again, a ToS) was absolutely legally binding, or was absolutely not, a lot of shit would proceed to go down.
Plenty of times EULAs have been upheld. The most recent example I can think of is Apple vs Psystar. It all depends on whether if the clauses are legal. MAc OSX's EULA happened to be backed up by Copyright and DMCA laws. If they were illegal clauses, they would've probably not held up.

http://www.businessweek.com/the_thread/techbeat/archives/2009/11/apple_crushes_c.html

OT Though, This is why I still have this naive wish that Valve makes Steam a full on competitor to EA/Activision (Disc distribution, advertising and everything). Valve haven't really seemed to abuse their power over steam accounts.
May be they're just waiting for more people to fall into their trap before pulling the trigger.
Maybe they're waiting for the internet to have correct grammar and spelling 100% of the time. ;) (See the smiley makes everything better)

I don't know, Digital Distribution will make EA and Activision mostly irrelevant one day anyway. This is just our equivalent of the music industry in the early 2000s. Maybe we'll have a MySpace equivalent for Game Devs.
 

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Whilst I acknowledge that this guy has broken the (somewhat arbitrary) rules, denying him access to a product that he has already paid for is absolutely outrageous. I will never buy anything from the EA online store again after reading this.

Oh and by the way EA: Drink a mug of concrete and harden the f#%$ up! "Oh no, some forum user has made comment on our corporate policy in a negative fashion! Quick, ban his arse!"

What a bunch of cry-babies.
 
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Sean Strife said:
Between this and a video I saw recently where BioWare were accusing 4chan of the low score Dragon Age 2 has on Metacritic and basically saying "end of line" whenever somebody tried to offer a mature debate on the subject... I don't know if I want to support BioWare anymore.
Yeah, even if they're using the Tron reference to be cool, end of line does imply the arbitrary termination of the conversation, and if left on a sour note can leave one to infer general dickhood.

VanityGirl said:
You can't catch me on my console! Weeeeeee
*runs off giggling*
It depends on your console. Both Microsoft and Sony have indicated circumstances in which they will freeze your Live accounts or sue the snot out of you for looking at them crosseyed (or looking at Geohot[footnote]Click here [http://geohot.com/] to get your URL tracked and potentially get sued by Sony![/footnote] at all). I'm not sure what the connectivity policies of the Wii are, as Nintendo has been less in the news than the previous two.

Consoleers have had the shaft up their rectums so long, they're used to it. The controllers just haven't turned on the barbs-and-vibrate button yet (or rather, often enough).

Incidentally, the something else [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog] before it was a video codec[/footnote][/I] Given that Microsoft, for example, plans to terminate support for XP within a couple of years, already the precedent has long since been harbingered that we cannot trust the companies with this degree of control. The Sony vs. Geohot affair has demonstrated the heights of superdickery to which companies will rise, if it pleases them to do so.

Ren3004 said:
However, I like the hypocrisy of buying their games when he has such a negative opinion of the company.
It is a common thing to like the published product of a company but hate their policies. The RIAA, for example, sponsors many fine artists who do good work, but to patronize those artists is also to patronize the RIAA and its tomfoolery.

rsvp42 said:
I realize they handled it wrong, but how often does this sort of thing happen?
At this point my argument is moot [http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/03/11/ea-retracts-game-ban-for-forum-violation/] since EA admitted it was a mistake and has responded (I assume, by giving him access back to his game.)

We've been anticipating abuses of power by the publishing companies for a while now. I find the current state DRM, that is, the requirement of online activation to use, to extend to the companies too much power, and until EA acknowledged this was in error, this incident was confirming our worst fears.

I find it interesting that you don't find it news until incidents achieve a minimum threshold of frequency, which is fair, since that is the point when the likelihood that it will affect each of us directly becomes significant. As one who's dealt a lot in legal arenas, I tend to note first incidents, since they set precedents, and if a company can do something once and get away with it without reprisal, invariably they will not only do it again, but will extend their reach further still.

An example is online activation DRM, which didn't create as much commotion until they started setting activation limits, or now, the requirement for company accounts and persistent connections. I'm therefore inclined to sound the hue and cry early, to retain as many of my rights, as a gamer and consumer, as possible.

238U.
 

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Yhea, bioware just lost one more customer if they can restrict access to games I buy with my money for any reason. Even if it was a glitch, the simple fact that they CAN hit a button and stop me from using something I own is completely retarded.

Needing a forum account wasn't bullshit enough for them it seems.
 

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It's good to see that this was resolved. I read about this earlier in an unrelated thread, and I had hoped the best for V_ware. It's good to see that DLC can still be trusted as a means of purchasing goods, but if rules like this continue to stick around. I fear for the future of downloaded games and the users who pay money for them. I mean, if you can have your games taken away from you for expressing your opinions, there is something inherently scary about that.
 

Ian Caronia

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Sure. It was all a misunderstanding/glitch/mix-up. Whatever you say, Chris Priesly, the guy who acted rude and antagonistic alongside Stanley Woo, not only making the situation worse but portraying your employers, Bioware, as vindictive asses along with EA. I totally believe you.

How much you want to bet they had him say this because he was acting like a jackass to the forum users?

EA still has the ability to keep you from playing your game, (I know it's only on PC, if you bought from EA store, and if you haven't installed it yet. Not the point) despite having purchased it, for little to no reason at all. It's in the fine print.
And Bioware still has assholes representing them on the forums, as well as proof they tried keeping this hush-hush by locking down every thread talking about this they could find (and trying to make sure links to said threads were locked down as well...which utterly failed).

So, yeah, victory for this guy, but the bigger problems still remain. However, I'm sure said problems will be kept as minimal as possible since both EA and Bioware now realize how quick and how heavy a shitstorm their arrogance can stur up.
Meh, at least they said they were sorry.
 

Ian Caronia

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Uriel-238 said:
I'm therefore inclined to sound the hue and cry early, to retain as many of my rights, as a gamer and consumer, as possible.

238U.
I wish I could star you or give you a thumbs up, mate.
 

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Bara_no_Hime said:
Andy Chalk said:
This is why I buy my games on disks. And why I don't game on PC, but that's another topic entirely.

Although, for the record, it's actually kinda nice to see a forum troll getting *****-slapped in a serious way. Maybe people will actually start being - gasp - polite to one another on forums? One can only hope.

That whole "oh, he paid for it, that's not right" thing - it doesn't matter at all. He handed a company some money. So what? Companies rip people off all the time. He also broke a company policy that he agreed to. They have every right to take his stuff away as a penalty.

This doesn't surprise me or offend me. I will continue to buy from EA because they make a quality product, because I enjoy their products, and because I am smart enough to behave myself (or not frequent) company forums where I might piss them off.

Edit: Ah yes! I almost forgot - he's only suspended for 72 hours. So he hasn't been denied his game, just instant access to it. That's barely a "time out".
I see. So what you're saying is, let's go around and enforce a generally accepted means of conduct onto people by threatening them with removal of something they legitimately obtained. What if I were a mod on EA forums, and you were a poster, and I found out somehow that you bought a game from Activision, and there was a clause about supporting rival publishers openly. What if I decided to ban you from the forums and consequently all your EA games because you happened to buy that one other game? Oh, and let's apply your logic to real life. I don't like something you said because it hurts my feelings and I'm a cop. So I throw your ass in jail and deny you your freedom for 72 hours because you said "ass" in my general direction. See where I'm going with this?

But that's fine, I don't mean to berate you for your opinion, I just simply wish to reveal the flaws in your view. What I have a problem with is you seem to think it's okay to force people to be polite. So...let's all be fake and nice and patronize each other because "or else?" Civility and courtesy should be exercised upon their own merits, where deserved and/or necessary. Yeah, it'd be NICE if we were all nice to each other, but that's obviously not human nature, otherwise we'd all be nice to each other. Just my two cents.

tl;dr, there's such a thing as abuse of power, and people are dicks.
 
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PinochetIsMyBro said:
I must be the only person who doesn't have a problem with this.
Maybe because it hasn't happened to you, yet.

I actually have EA to thank for compelling me to learn about the torrent community. A few years ago, I called their customer service about a cracked CD #2 of The Sims 2 I had ordered online. They mocked me as if I was a delinquent teenage hoodlum until I openly stated I located and was downloading an illegitimate copy to burn my own disc #2: They had until it was done[footnote]a fair challenge, as I was on dialup at the time[/footnote] to ship me a new one, and that I would use the incident, and how it resolved, to guide how I dealt with EA in the future.

Only then, did they send me my intact disc.

238U.