No Right Answer: Attack on Attack on Titan

yeah_so_no

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Pickapok said:
Black Lagoon, Baccano, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex, Gankutsuou: the Count of Monte Cristo, Ouran High School Host Club, MONSTER

But out of that group, Black Lagoon and Monster are absolute must sees. One for the crazy over the top gun fights and the other for the chilling psychological thrills.
Definitely have to agree on Gankutsuou and Monster. I'd also suggest Ayakashi (especially the last episode, Bakeneko) and the movie Perfect Blue. Now that movie was a mindscrewer. Apparently, Kon wanted to do it live action, then realized he couldn't do everything he wanted with it that way, so went animated instead.
 

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chetoos said:
I saw that Dan watched Fullmetal Alchemist, but that series isn't as good as the other series, fullmetal alchemist brotherhood. It's more loyal to the manga, and the story makes a lot more sense, so it would be a better anime for Dan to watch.
I beg to differ, I felt the original FMA was much better than brotherhood. Somethings that works in manga just doesn't work in anime. FMA was much more mature and a serious tone, brotherhood just tries to be a goofball that doesn't work.
 

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I beg to differ, I felt the original FMA was much better than brotherhood. Somethings that works in manga just doesn't work in anime. FMA was much more mature and a serious tone, brotherhood just tries to be a goofball that doesn't work.
Well that is a very unusual and rare opinion.
 

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Fappy said:
Okay, so no to Cowboy Bebop... how about Darker than Black or Black Lagoon? Both of those have great dubs and stuff is constantly happening!
Black Lagoon was a pretty unique case though, and comparable to the video's description of games localisation. I daresay that as an exception, it backs up the point made.

The original was horrendous due to an increasing portion of it being voiced in unintelligible, untranslatable, cringe-worthy Engrish as the series progressed. Don't get me wrong, you could still tell the animation was good and there was a story with potential back there somewhere, but that's not enough. Whilst that shit might be watertight for hardcore enthusiast fans, it simply won't hold up for the casual recommendations crowd unless they're up for a solid unintended laugh. So, for all intents and purposes, there was only half a product to begin with, which crippled the fan localised competition (as good as an attempt as they managed, subtitles can't fix bad voice acting), opening up a greater time window (and actual demand) to produce something of above average production value.
 

Mr. Clarinet

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Paranoia Agent?

I like Monster as a good anime but I mostly just revel in the atmosphere. Plenty of people find it boooring and that's a valid complaint but not one that I find when the atmosphere frequently picks up when the plot lumbers around.
 

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Chris Pranger said:
Mossberg Shotty said:
Awesome, two ugly brown-haired guys bitching about an anime they could never hope to surpass. Exactly what are your credentials? Did you write, animate and direct an anime that was so vastly superior to AoT that you can stand around an criticize it for the stupidest reasons?

Are you so blinded by hubris that you fail to understand that your biggest complaint is about the dichotomy between the American and Japanese entertainment industry? "It's not a harem anime, it's not about giant mechs or scantily-clad ninjas!"

Seriously, both of you need to shut the fuck up. In your entire review you didn't say a single thing that didn't amount to 'I hate it because it's popular!'
I just love that our greatest takedown begins by pointing out that we're ugly and have brown hair. They're on to us, Dan! :)

To be more serious, no, I don't believe myself greater than anyone else when it comes to creating something. I enjoyed a lot of Attack on Titan, but I also felt that it was lacking in a lot of areas, namely plot progression, character development, and most importantly treating the audience with respect. The first half of the first season does a pretty great job with Eren, Mikasa, and Armin, has a few nice twists, and introduces an overall really fascinating concept. The second half of the first season attempts to undo all of that by throwing in more questions before stalling for time and then leaving off without answering anything significant. That, plus none of the other characters are given much development until after their important moments, which robs the moments of any weight. That's my take on it though, which isn't meant to be law or anything resembling law.

Again, I don't believe myself above the show, which is why I'm not worried about hurting its popularity or fanbase with a silly video on the Internet. Although your reaction does make me curious just how much power you think we have... Is it our brown hair? It's the brawn hair I bet. Brown hair is very threatening.
That's it, I'm dying my hair blond. Or maybe green, let's get crazy.
 

Triaed

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So, does this mean that both, Dan and Chris, lost the debate for being on the same side?
I grant them the localisation point, but in no way can this be considered a "win"
 

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I think you should try Black Lagoon, it has an amazing dub done by professionals and I think it feels more like an action movie than an anime so that could be a good element for people who don't really like anime in general.

My personal favorites are Steins;Gate, Gankutsuou: The Count of Monte Cristo and Death Note but they barley have any action so that may be a turn off for some people but thats why I like them, there more "intellectual" so to say.
 

Marik2

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Go watch Ghost Stories cuz that is one of the few animes where the localization is 100 times better than the original.
 

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I feel like they didn't even touch on some of the more obnoxious issues with Attack on Titan. What irked me most was as they pointed out, early on it'll get it's hooks in because of the interesting premise. But after 24 episodes NOTHING HAS HAPPENED YET, and it treats you like an idiot as they point out. I was so frustrated with nothing happening so far, I went online to look up what has been resolved in the story so far, and basically nothing has. We know who the Shifters are, and only vaguely what they were after but not why, and nothing else. Female Titan still isn't out of stasis, no idea what the connection to Titans and The Coordinate there is, what caused the Titan appearance, etc. And the manga has been running for over 5 years.

Attack on Titan is the Game of Thrones of anime. Everyone dies, nothing happens, and there is no end in sight.
 

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Chris Pranger said:
Mossberg Shotty said:
Awesome, two ugly brown-haired guys bitching about an anime they could never hope to surpass. Exactly what are your credentials? Did you write, animate and direct an anime that was so vastly superior to AoT that you can stand around an criticize it for the stupidest reasons?

Are you so blinded by hubris that you fail to understand that your biggest complaint is about the dichotomy between the American and Japanese entertainment industry? "It's not a harem anime, it's not about giant mechs or scantily-clad ninjas!"

Seriously, both of you need to shut the fuck up. In your entire review you didn't say a single thing that didn't amount to 'I hate it because it's popular!'
I just love that our greatest takedown begins by pointing out that we're ugly and have brown hair. They're on to us, Dan! :)

To be more serious, no, I don't believe myself greater than anyone else when it comes to creating something. I enjoyed a lot of Attack on Titan, but I also felt that it was lacking in a lot of areas, namely plot progression, character development, and most importantly treating the audience with respect. The first half of the first season does a pretty great job with Eren, Mikasa, and Armin, has a few nice twists, and introduces an overall really fascinating concept. The second half of the first season attempts to undo all of that by throwing in more questions before stalling for time and then leaving off without answering anything significant. That, plus none of the other characters are given much development until after their important moments, which robs the moments of any weight. That's my take on it though, which isn't meant to be law or anything resembling law.

Again, I don't believe myself above the show, which is why I'm not worried about hurting its popularity or fanbase with a silly video on the Internet. Although your reaction does make me curious just how much power you think we have... Is it our brown hair? It's the brawn hair I bet. Brown hair is very threatening.
This isn't about brown hair. If you didn't notice, my hair is equally brown, if not more brown than yours. But on a more serious note, if you don't want your smug sense of superiority to come across, maybe you should adjust your on-camera persona to not behave as a self-righteous anime herald. I see you're going to slide over my point about the differences between the Japanese and American audience, so lets just let that one go. I don't see how making a few of the twists more obvious than your liking amounts to disrespecting the audience. I'm sure you're familiar with the whole 'if you introduce a gun in the first act, you must fire it in the second act' thing. You know when those characters might get more screen time an character development? In the second season. Again, you seem to be under this impression that every anime has some obligation to develop every single character, answer every single question and still be a compelling story all within one season. Are you so entitled that you can't wait for some of your questions to be answered? Do you not realize that that's the very thing that sparks debate and theories among the fans?

I know your opinions aren't law, and thank God for that, because if it was we would be left with nothing but boring, formulaic anime's that read like a Wikipedia page.
 

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Strife2GFAQs said:
Ghost Stories

They scrapped the original concept and just wrote whatever stupid comedy **** they wanted ala Shin-Chan
Came here to say exactly this, it worked so well. Taking a show that probably couldn't work in the US due to a lack of familiarity with the subject matter and finding a ridiculously hilarious way to make it work.

Also, I think Eden of the East holds up very well outside of Japan.

Cybylt said:


No JoJo's recommendations? For shame.
Seconding this too, manliest anime to manly an anime.
 

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THANK YOU. JESUS.

Anime you guys should watch? RWBY. It counts. And it has dialogue that doesn't make me want to put screwdrivers through my ears. And the annoying quirky characters who in anime are usually DEFINED by that singular trait? They actually have depth and a REASON for having that particular trait. In fact, I'd consider the show to be hands down one of the best examples of anime trope deconstruction because it was written by a couple of guys who, until they were tasked with writing the show, WERE NOT THAT FAMILIAR WITH ANIME.
 

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Space Dandy is pretty good, English dub comes out first so it's always really spot on with the translation, since there is no translation.

ALSO! It's NOT based on a manga. It's its own thing.

It's directed by the same guy that did Bebop, but it's COMPLETELY different.
 

Coruptin

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i can tell you some of what to avoid

gurren lagan
evangelion (or anything else that's parroted as psychological, complex, or dark)
kill la kill(pretty much anything in the sexy/cute girl with dangerous thing genre)
sword art online
high school of the dead
code geas
death note
most anything adapted from weekly serialized manga

edit: add mature to the list of parroted attributes to avoid
 

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What? No mentions/recommendations for Afro Samurai?!
https://secure.static.tumblr.com/ab5adc901c8f8428f6d1a73ba6c862f1/uljukhv/HPBmzhamx/tumblr_static_afro-samurai-002.jpg
It has Samuel L. F[reak]ing Jackson in it!!

(Well, that and it's short with a movie and stuff like that... Plus, everyone else mentioned the ones I was going to mention anyway, excluding Witchblade and its bittersweet mother/daughter "subplot"[footnote]Seriously, that's the best part about the anime Witchblade "adaptation"...[/footnote]...)
 

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I really only watch subbed anime so I am not sure how good this is in dubbed but Steins;Gate is an extremely good anime that is now in my top 3 above Death Note and just below Phantom: Requiem for A Phantom. Basically its a time travel type show with a "Mad Scientist" main character the side characters are kind of poor sometimes but the story is whats really good. I will note it is not an action anime but it is very story driven.