As much as I loved the old series. I for one don't mind this idea. I wish they'd do BOTH. But I must have been one of the few who never played the campaigns, they felt like extended tutorials. I always went straight to the skirmishes.
No Single Player for Command and Conquer: Generals 2
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Well, it looks like I'll be driving my pyromaniac friend up to Bioware's offices. Again. Seriously, if anyone's going to be pissed about this, it's going to be him. He loves the single player campaigns of that series to death. He hated Mass Effect 3's ending. And he's been able to rig a flamethrower out of household scrap materials. You don't want to see him pissed. And this will definitely make him pissed.
OK then. One less game I need to follow I suppose. Shame really.
The older C&C titles are among my favorites of all time. And while I indulged in an occasional online bout here or there, I can tell you one thing for sure. A friggin story WAS integral to the brand. It's kinda what that brand is about in my opinion.
Storyline is as important to C&C as tanks or bullets or menus. It's just part of the experience. Of course after the abortion that was "C&C 4" I can't say I'm surprise. Hurt. But not surprised. This is horrible news.
The older C&C titles are among my favorites of all time. And while I indulged in an occasional online bout here or there, I can tell you one thing for sure. A friggin story WAS integral to the brand. It's kinda what that brand is about in my opinion.
Storyline is as important to C&C as tanks or bullets or menus. It's just part of the experience. Of course after the abortion that was "C&C 4" I can't say I'm surprise. Hurt. But not surprised. This is horrible news.
That's like buying an icecream and throwing away the icecream to eat the dry, flavourless cone first. It'd be alright if you'd played the campaign first and let the metaphorical icecream of plot, setting and characters run down it a little and add flavour but on its own I can't see the appeal.Mouse_Crouse said:
This a million times. They were awful coders (so many bits of broken code in Red Alert 2 that don't crash it because the bad outputs go to another bit of bad code that just drops it) but much better game designers.
Red Alert 3 was awful though, it had no real bearing on the other two games and took the campy aspects of the series to 11 without taking the dark aspects too. In the original it was only funny how hammy the soviet commander's address to the Player before mission 1 is because the actor was talking casually about nerve gas results the second before, commenting that it took children 30 seconds to die and adults 45. Now this darkness isn't constant, there are a lot of things are just funny (Stalin's mistress is also his chief of intelligence) but it's not just all crazy, there is a pinch or two of reality in the Red alert soup, not just six pints of kooky and a few pairs of silicone tits.
Also, the unit design was stupid, the options were limited and the whole thing felt streamlined into this stupid "e-sports" mentality. Games become e-sports because they have gameplay that is high quality and requires skill, not because you cut down the unit roster to the bare bones and put out videos with some guys you hired acting like sports announcers to game replays.
Well, fuck you then, EA. I play the games for the campaigns. What is C&C known for? Cheesy FMV cutscenes, and entertaining story missions. Also:
DON'T YOU DARE TOUCH MY TIBERIUMS AND RED ALERTS! I'll come down to your offices and eat all your hard drives.
Generals isn't in the universe, it's some stupid 'near future' setting they made up and put on the C&C IP to sell more. It's literally as related to the others as it is to starcraft, and at least they share build mechanics. Generals shares the fact it is an RTS with Tanks, and that's about it.redisforever said:
This is a real disappointment for me. I've always considered C&C: Generals (and the Zero Hour expansion for it) to be the pinnicle of the C&C franchise (I know saying that is bound to upset people...). It wasn't just the fun skirmish mode (which I have logged countless hours in), or the multiplayer (which I never touched).
The Generals franchise had probably the least ham and cheese of the three C&C sub-series (Red Alert takes top honors there, obviously, and was even before they threw in Tim Curry), and the story has always been the most low-key, but that didn't make the singleplayer of it any less important. The original Generals campaigns had some absolutely awesome scenarios to play, and the expansion improved things even further (and was actually the only time the Generals games included FMV cutscenes). Sure, the setting and story had absolutely no ties to the Tiberium or Red Alert games; it had more in common with Counter-Strike and Battlefield, but the story still worked as a non-intrusive framing device, and actually could get fairly engrossing when you started to piece together everything by playing it from 3 unique angles.
*Sigh*
I don't know. I'm sad that this has happened. I don't mind a game that has a following in e-sports, and I have nothing againts e-sports in general, but ripping out the things that made a game great, putting the focus of the game elsewhere, and the rest really have me worried. does anyone know whether Generals 2 will have singleplayer skirmish, at least? Or has that been axed too?
The Generals franchise had probably the least ham and cheese of the three C&C sub-series (Red Alert takes top honors there, obviously, and was even before they threw in Tim Curry), and the story has always been the most low-key, but that didn't make the singleplayer of it any less important. The original Generals campaigns had some absolutely awesome scenarios to play, and the expansion improved things even further (and was actually the only time the Generals games included FMV cutscenes). Sure, the setting and story had absolutely no ties to the Tiberium or Red Alert games; it had more in common with Counter-Strike and Battlefield, but the story still worked as a non-intrusive framing device, and actually could get fairly engrossing when you started to piece together everything by playing it from 3 unique angles.
*Sigh*
I don't know. I'm sad that this has happened. I don't mind a game that has a following in e-sports, and I have nothing againts e-sports in general, but ripping out the things that made a game great, putting the focus of the game elsewhere, and the rest really have me worried. does anyone know whether Generals 2 will have singleplayer skirmish, at least? Or has that been axed too?
Well it's official, the game franchise is dead and mean nothing to me anymore (except for the god olde class).
You left out the bit about how you were forced into co-op during single player missions with shitty incompetent AI that couldn't stumble it's way out of a wet paper bag full of holes and kept fucking up your plans at every turn. The only thing that was even remotely good about Red Alert 3 was the half-assed multiplayer and even that was questionable.One Shot wonder said:
At the rate things are going right now EA will be lucky if they can salvage the C&C franchise in a way that would make me want to buy one of them again. At least they were kind enough to release that First Decade pack that had all the previous good C&C games in it so we still have those to play with.
Establishing battlefield control ... battlefield control established.
Inferior tactics detected. You make this easy fleshbag
Prepare for decimation, for you are not worthy of assimilation.
Termination protocols initiated, proceeding with final sweep.
Oh, by the way, missile launch detected.
Inferior tactics detected. You make this easy fleshbag
Prepare for decimation, for you are not worthy of assimilation.
Termination protocols initiated, proceeding with final sweep.
Oh, by the way, missile launch detected.
So... they're trying, pretty much, to copy Starcraft 2's insane popularity on eSports and not even bother with singleplayer...
As long as I can play offline skirmishes with the AI, I really don't care about a proper SP campaign, because I really don't like it when they slam into my face that there's a multiplayer mode and I hate multiplayer in strategy games (I bought Starcraft 2 in day 1 and since then, I haven't touched MP even once.)
As long as I can play offline skirmishes with the AI, I really don't care about a proper SP campaign, because I really don't like it when they slam into my face that there's a multiplayer mode and I hate multiplayer in strategy games (I bought Starcraft 2 in day 1 and since then, I haven't touched MP even once.)
