Norwegian Mass Murderer Defends Gaming Habits

[Guffe]

Do people still give a fuck about this incident? I got bored ages ago. Just throw the dude into prison, be done with it and move on. Everyone's tired of acting outraged already.

The interesting part in this case is not the murder itself but the way he thinks.
Is he insane? is he not? if not what made him do this, how can it be spotted so it won't happen again? If he is insane, how can he act so calmly and sanely even if actually is insane?
The cases were psychologists, biologists etc get to study people like this are very rare, We could learn a lot from his case.
But the murder thing and all teh writing is making it a bit "dull" since evryone is basically repeating the same thing. But as far I "know" (as in reading and stuff (newspapers, internet etc)) he is sane, which makes him an interesting subject to study.
(sory it's late and that is one strange text I wrote there.)

 

[Tiger Sora]

Self defense. I see he's using the Jimbo and Ned blanket. "It's comin' right for us"! Seems...... no, no it isn't.
Ehh they'll lock this dude up, why it's taking so long. He killed 77 people, blew up the front of a building. Just toss him in, save the people some scars and money.

 

[Ashannon Blackthorn]

Nah, I bet before his prison sentence is out, some other prisoner will shank him.

 

[Gennadios]

Its a minor note, but he's not claiming self defence, hes calling "nødrett" its kinda hard to explain i guess, kinda like Obama went nuts and tried to nuke everyone and his chief of security shoots him in the head, of course this is just bullshit, but thats what his defence is based on, thought i'd just correct it. nødrett translates to emergency rights.
He says he has "nødrett" because europe is beeing, according to him, taken over by muslims, and that utøya was an indoctrination camp.

Put that way it seems totally reasonable.

Guy clearly created his own mythology about how the world works and staunchly believes in it. It's amazing how people can develop such a sharp understanding of the workings of politics and population migrations in the real world while playing WoW 16 hours a day.

 

[Guardian of Nekops]

If you have cause to kill 77 people in self defense, then you

I have been reading on this and i hate that the max prison sentence he can serve is 22 years.

Even after 21 years, Breivik won't be released from prison if there is an overwhelming chance that he will pose further danger to society. And considering his extremist views and actions, that is most certainly the case. The Norwegian justice system is built around a system of rehabilitation, prevention and treatment, not revenge, and I would not have it any other way.

It seems to me that any issue that can't be fixed in, oh, ten years at most simply can't be fixed. I really can't imagine that someone who holds out against counselling and offers of drug treatment for 15 years would ever give in then and be ready a few years later... really, it seems odd that such large sentences would be given out, if rehabilitation was truly the entirety of the intent.

I for one find it difficult to concieve of a justice system where the penalties for one's crimes are not counted seperately and added... if you kill 77 innocent people (on purpose, knowing what you're doing, etc), I think you SHOULD end up with some ridiculously long sentence you could never hope to serve. Even if you killed these people one after another through a sniper sight, I believe is the case? It's not one action. It's 77 different counts of murder, 77 times you pulled that trigger and watched someone's life ebb away. Chances #2-78, and you don't get any more. Not in this life, anyway... there comes a point where the decision of whether to offer mercy falls on broader shoulders than just us here.

Gaming is, of course, completely incidental to this atrocity. People who cannot function in society for one reason or another may well be drawn to games as an escape, and a smaller subset of those may be drawn to mass murder, but to try to relate the two directly is clearly madness.

 

[GamerAddict7796]

If I live to see this man leave prison...

I will NOT be a happy man!

 

[Erin McCreery]

I wish the American Judicial system was more like that. Thank you for stating the truth so nicely. Revenge is a pointless act and I'm sure even 21 years in jail before they even look at parol wont be leading to release all things considered. I live in Alaska and there is a widely publicized case of a young women being kidnapped, I think the FBI getting involved is just an excuse to use the death penalty since our state doesn't do that. I don't think anyone has the moral high ground to end someone else's life like it's a side show.

 

[Erin McCreery]

very true.

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

Yes... because shooting 60-ish unarmed teenagers and blowing up a building is totaly self-defence... seriously who the fuck does he think will possibly fall for that?

I think the claim is that he was acting in self defense because his attacks were to defend ethnic Norwegians. It's shaky at best, but I think that's the reasoning.

He has made much more insane claims than that though. The craziest yet is probably that the only way justice can be served is if Norway reinstates the death penalty and kills him or just lets him off entirely.

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

If I live to see this man leave prison...

I will NOT be a happy man!

You will. Due to the Norwegian maximum sentence laws he will be out in 21 years.

 

[Larsirius]

What came as a suprise to me, was that every statement from officials and experts on the field, was that they were certain that the games had next to no effects, and that he's just rambling. (I've watched the trial minute by minute a couple days, and the guys a wacko. Not psychotic, just messed up, iand totally devoid of empathy.

 

[Blackpapa]

Yes... because shooting 60-ish unarmed teenagers and blowing up a building is totaly self-defence... seriously who the fuck does he think will possibly fall for that?

I think the claim is that he was acting in self defense because his attacks were to defend ethnic Norwegians. It's shaky at best, but I think that's the reasoning.

He has made much more insane claims than that though. The craziest yet is probably that the only way justice can be served is if Norway reinstates the death penalty and kills him or just lets him off entirely.

I don't see how that's crazy. I'm guessing his line of logic is that either the prosecutors see through his actions as a sort of martyr's sacrifice for the good of Norway - in which case his 77 killstreak would be a necessarily gruesome eye-opening sacrifice for the benefit of the remaining 5 million Norwegians - OR they would treat his crime at face value - as a arbitrary act of random killing with no "high" motivations. In which case such a heinous deed would only be punishable by death.

While we're at it I'm curious as to how his mind works. I've always been fascinated by how the fanatism of a man's mind works when he or she is ready to give up life for ideals.

 

[Jamous]

You know, for some reason I don't think we need someone like Breivik defending the medium. Not sure why.

 

[Andaxay]

I just know certain papers here in the UK will emphasise the gaming thing as though it caused all of this. I'd rather us gamers weren't lumped into the same category as this evil, vile monster. I really can't quite believe his attitude throughout this, it's almost a sort of trolling, if trolling involved the mindless killing of DOZENS of innocent people.

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

Yes... because shooting 60-ish unarmed teenagers and blowing up a building is totaly self-defence... seriously who the fuck does he think will possibly fall for that?

I think the claim is that he was acting in self defense because his attacks were to defend ethnic Norwegians. It's shaky at best, but I think that's the reasoning.

He has made much more insane claims than that though. The craziest yet is probably that the only way justice can be served is if Norway reinstates the death penalty and kills him or just lets him off entirely.

I don't see how that's crazy. I'm guessing his line of logic is that either the prosecutors see through his actions as a sort of martyr's sacrifice for the good of Norway - in which case his 77 killstreak would be a necessarily gruesome eye-opening sacrifice for the benefit of the remaining 5 million Norwegians - OR they would treat his crime at face value - as a arbitrary act of random killing with no "high" motivations. In which case such a heinous deed would only be punishable by death.

While we're at it I'm curious as to how his mind works. I've always been fascinated by how the fanatism of a man's mind works when he or she is ready to give up life for ideals.

It's crazy because his demand necessitates a change to the Norwegian justice system just to deal with his case. They haven't had a death penalty for over a hundred years.

Not only that, he is demanding that they change the justice system to kill him and it's not as if it is to get out of life in prison. Currently the maximum he can serve is 21 years. He will live to be released from prison.

And to figure out how the mind of somebody willing to die for an ideal works just talk to a United States marine. They are a lot more approachable and a hell of a lot more abundant than Breivik.

 

[Blackpapa]

It's crazy because his demand necessitates a change to the Norwegian justice system just to deal with his case. They haven't had a death penalty for over a hundred years.

Not only that, he is demanding that they change the justice system to kill him and it's not as if it is to get out of life in prison. Currently the maximum he can serve is 21 years. He will live to be released from prison.

And to figure out how the mind of somebody willing to die for an ideal works just talk to a United States marine. They are a lot more approachable and a hell of a lot more abundant than Breivik.

From a purely practical point of view it is kind of crazy to demand death penalty for a crime in a country which has abolished it over 100 years ago, you're right. Then again 1/3 of the posters here on this forum and elsewhere on the internet are demanding the very same crazy thing.

As for Marines I appreciate the suggestion but you've misinterpreted the mindset. Breivik's self-made mission was a one-way street leading to death or life in prison. Despite the risk being a soldier doesn't mean certainty of death. The kind of mindset I'm talking about is reflected in his quote

If you embrace death before you go into action, you will be ten times as potent

Captcha: do unto others - how relevant

 

[Kelthurin]

Why is he even pleading not guilty? Everything he has said since the trial started has contributed in some way to extending his already very long prison sentence.

I also caught a mention that hes got something even more shocking to come. Assuming its not the "I'd do it again." i cant possibly think how this guy could dig a deeper hole for himself.

Yes... because shooting 60-ish unarmed teenagers and blowing up a building is totaly self-defence... seriously who the fuck does he think will possibly fall for that?

I think his aim at this point is to make as much noise as possible. He knows hes going down, he is just using self defence as an excuse to buy time.

Oh, i answered my own question. Bonus points.

So wrong.
He's not pleading guilty, because he believes 110% in what he did, and what he's saying.

The reason he says he acted in self-defense is because he truly believes multiculturalism is killing the western culture. And he truly means it when he says there is a mass muslim conspiracy afoot aimed at infiltrating/converting.
He killed all those people to make us all "wake up".

So just to make it clear; the man doesn't care that he may be spending the remainder of his life in jail, or institutions. He sees himself as a martyr, or as the trigger for some sort of uprising to fight this "muslim conspiracy" he believes exists.
He's going through all of this to try to make himself heard, basically.

That's why he fought so hard against being branded as insane to begin with, because an insane person's ravings will just be dismissed as exactly that.

The man is deluded, of course, and should be locked up in isolation for the rest of his life.

But still;
Get informed before you make a comment about something you know nothing about.

 

[Sansha]

See if it were up to me, here's what I'd do.

I'd cut off his legs right above the knee, then his fingers along with mangling his hands, then I'd take out his lower jaw and tongue.

I want him to live in and see a world where he's unable to spread his messages of hate, and is forced to see and hear how everything he thinks is wrong with the world is still going on - and there's nothing he can do to stop or speak against it.

He's insane. Utterly criminally insane. He needs to rot in a loony-bin for the rest of his days, not die or go to prison but to be declare insane, have everyone agree that he's a mindless lunatic and move on, his message and legacy forgotten.

 

[Saviordd1]

Great, now the worst murderer in the world is gonna be considered a gamer, great times ahead.

He's also a huge dick, just saying.

Yes he is much worse than say... Hitler (Godwin's law, yay!)...

And so what if he is a gamer? Does that affect you in any way? Of course it doesn't. If he played Tennis, would you think all the tennis players in the world would rage?

He might be a huge dick, but your statement makes no sense at all.

Except it is.

Idiots will use him as an excuse for VIDEO GAMES CAUSE VIOLENCE PEOPLE.

 

[plainlake]

"Remember that you are fantastic"