joking?Bags159 said:snip .
quite a few of us came to the same logical conclusion.
so yes i stand by my statement.
nothing of "value" was lost =]
joking?Bags159 said:snip .
CS:S Well most people own it by now already though.PixelKing said:He used WoW as a cover, nothing else.
*cough*Counter Strike*cough*Deshara said:And nothing of value was lost.
EDIT: Someone posted that in his manifesto he was encouraging other extremists to use WoW as a cover story, thanks for pointing that out. And I'd just like to say R.I.P to all the dead and my sorrows go out to the families of the dead.
What if the murderer said that pencils where a key component in his ability to do what he did, should pencils be taken away out of sympathy? No because that would be stupid to punish an innocent business like Activision ( yes in this case they are innocent) is simply wrong.Samurai Silhouette said:This hasn't affected me in any way shape or form. However, I'm not so ignorant to say that I don't care about it happening elsewhere because the movement may gain momentum and happen here.
OT
I agree with the temporary take down of the games due to sympathy... as long as it's temporary.
It's strange to see the words "Activision" and "innocent" together.spectrenihlus said:What if the murderer said that pencils where a key component in his ability to do what he did, should pencils be taken away out of sympathy? No because that would be stupid to punish an innocent business like Activision ( yes in this case they are innocent) is simply wrong.
I am glad that this is a purely a voluntary decision on the part of the retailers but it still shows that the populace thinks gaming leads to disasters such as these which studies time and time again show that they don't.Snordraken said:It's strange to see the words "Activision" and "innocent" together.spectrenihlus said:What if the murderer said that pencils where a key component in his ability to do what he did, should pencils be taken away out of sympathy? No because that would be stupid to punish an innocent business like Activision ( yes in this case they are innocent) is simply wrong.
OT: While I disslike them doing this out of principle (what the killer wants etc.), I would probably care more if it wasn't a department store and a record store.
The pencil tool itself has zero persuasive value. It does not depict any sort of violence, nor is it considered a lethal weapon. Now the material a person can create with that pencil however holds that power. It's the art (in this case, the games) that I'm referring to.spectrenihlus said:What if the murderer said that pencils where a key component in his ability to do what he did, should pencils be taken away out of sympathy? No because that would be stupid to punish an innocent business like Activision ( yes in this case they are innocent) is simply wrong.Samurai Silhouette said:This hasn't affected me in any way shape or form. However, I'm not so ignorant to say that I don't care about it happening elsewhere because the movement may gain momentum and happen here.
OT
I agree with the temporary take down of the games due to sympathy... as long as it's temporary.
Oh i dunno I could pretty severe damage with a sharpened pencil. If the games where not the problem in the first place then they shouldn't have been taken away by doing this act the retailers have enforced the belief that games cause these tragedies, this only hurts our position.Samurai Silhouette said:The pencil tool itself has zero persuasive value. It does not depict any sort of violence, nor is it considered a lethal weapon. Now the material a person can create with that pencil however holds that power. It's the art (in this case, the games) that I'm referring to.spectrenihlus said:What if the murderer said that pencils where a key component in his ability to do what he did, should pencils be taken away out of sympathy? No because that would be stupid to punish an innocent business like Activision ( yes in this case they are innocent) is simply wrong.Samurai Silhouette said:This hasn't affected me in any way shape or form. However, I'm not so ignorant to say that I don't care about it happening elsewhere because the movement may gain momentum and happen here.
OT
I agree with the temporary take down of the games due to sympathy... as long as it's temporary.
I'd disagree if it was a permanent take down, but this is just a sensitivity issue. You think an up-to-date Norwegian parent would be thrilled to see their child walk in the door with one of those games on the list just after the incident? Some might even pubically rally to ban the games all together, and we know what happens when games end up in the news in a negative light. Take them down for a while and let the shitstorm settle. Then after everyone has gone back to their normal lives and figure it really wasn't the games that really influenced this, put it back on the shelves. Probably the best choice of action for everyone involved. What's happening to the games is what I believe to be collateral damage.
I saw that argument coming, it's why I said "considered a lethal weapon". I was indirectly referring to actual weapons.spectrenihlus said:Oh i dunno I could pretty severe damage with a sharpened pencil. If the games where not the problem in the first place then they shouldn't have been taken away by doing this act the retailers have enforced the belief that games cause these tragedies, this only hurts our position.Samurai Silhouette said:The pencil tool itself has zero persuasive value. It does not depict any sort of violence, nor is it considered a lethal weapon. Now the material a person can create with that pencil however holds that power. It's the art (in this case, the games) that I'm referring to.spectrenihlus said:What if the murderer said that pencils where a key component in his ability to do what he did, should pencils be taken away out of sympathy? No because that would be stupid to punish an innocent business like Activision ( yes in this case they are innocent) is simply wrong.Samurai Silhouette said:This hasn't affected me in any way shape or form. However, I'm not so ignorant to say that I don't care about it happening elsewhere because the movement may gain momentum and happen here.
OT
I agree with the temporary take down of the games due to sympathy... as long as it's temporary.
I'd disagree if it was a permanent take down, but this is just a sensitivity issue. You think an up-to-date Norwegian parent would be thrilled to see their child walk in the door with one of those games on the list just after the incident? Some might even pubically rally to ban the games all together, and we know what happens when games end up in the news in a negative light. Take them down for a while and let the shitstorm settle. Then after everyone has gone back to their normal lives and figure it really wasn't the games that really influenced this, put it back on the shelves. Probably the best choice of action for everyone involved. What's happening to the games is what I believe to be collateral damage.
It's not insensitive when you know that these games had absolutely nothing to do with the murder's actions.Samurai Silhouette said:I saw that argument coming, it's why I said "considered a lethal weapon". I was indirectly referring to actual weapons.spectrenihlus said:Oh i dunno I could pretty severe damage with a sharpened pencil. If the games where not the problem in the first place then they shouldn't have been taken away by doing this act the retailers have enforced the belief that games cause these tragedies, this only hurts our position.Samurai Silhouette said:The pencil tool itself has zero persuasive value. It does not depict any sort of violence, nor is it considered a lethal weapon. Now the material a person can create with that pencil however holds that power. It's the art (in this case, the games) that I'm referring to.spectrenihlus said:What if the murderer said that pencils where a key component in his ability to do what he did, should pencils be taken away out of sympathy? No because that would be stupid to punish an innocent business like Activision ( yes in this case they are innocent) is simply wrong.Samurai Silhouette said:This hasn't affected me in any way shape or form. However, I'm not so ignorant to say that I don't care about it happening elsewhere because the movement may gain momentum and happen here.
OT
I agree with the temporary take down of the games due to sympathy... as long as it's temporary.
I'd disagree if it was a permanent take down, but this is just a sensitivity issue. You think an up-to-date Norwegian parent would be thrilled to see their child walk in the door with one of those games on the list just after the incident? Some might even pubically rally to ban the games all together, and we know what happens when games end up in the news in a negative light. Take them down for a while and let the shitstorm settle. Then after everyone has gone back to their normal lives and figure it really wasn't the games that really influenced this, put it back on the shelves. Probably the best choice of action for everyone involved. What's happening to the games is what I believe to be collateral damage.
I honestly don't believe the retail stores want to take the games off their shelves. The people making those decisions are more than likely gamers like you and me. They probably believe it's best for their business and the game industry as a whole. "Out of sight, out of mind." I'm sure they don't want to see games being taken off the map. Who has the clairvoyance to know the consequences of these decisions? Our response to what's probably their best intentions makes the gaming community look like insensitive pricks. That doesn't help our image any either.
Convince the hundreds, if not thousands of people in that country who were affected by the incident into your views. They're probably more incorrigible than you are about the issue due to the fact that this nut job directly said they were his "training simulators". What's the problem of trying to minimize unfortunate collateral damage by granting people a little sense of grace?spectrenihlus said:It's not insensitive when you know that these games had absolutely nothing to do with the murder's actions.
That's the point he is insane what he says has little to no basis in reality.Samurai Silhouette said:Convince the hundreds, if not thousands of people in that country who were affected by the incident into your views. They're probably more incorrigible than you are about the issue due to the fact that this nut job directly said they were his "training simulators". What's the problem of trying to minimize unfortunate collateral damage by granting people a little sense of grace?spectrenihlus said:It's not insensitive when you know that these games had absolutely nothing to do with the murder's actions.
teh_Canape said:what are you talking about?Deshara said:And nothing of value was lost.
Counter Strike: Source is awesome
may as well ban movies and TV as well if we're going with weapons XDTypeSD said:teh_Canape said:what are you talking about?Deshara said:And nothing of value was lost.
Counter Strike: Source is awesome
It's not even realistic. What, I suppose most counter terrorism ops have everyone running around an area with a "buy" limit, and a piece of C4 with the SAME DISARM CODE EVERY SINGLE TIME. It has guns, so why aren't they banning every single WW2 game as well?
teh_Canape said:may as well ban movies and TV as well if we're going with weapons XDTypeSD said:teh_Canape said:what are you talking about?Deshara said:And nothing of value was lost.
Counter Strike: Source is awesome
It's not even realistic. What, I suppose most counter terrorism ops have everyone running around an area with a "buy" limit, and a piece of C4 with the SAME DISARM CODE EVERY SINGLE TIME. It has guns, so why aren't they banning every single WW2 game as well?
that's the thingTypeSD said:teh_Canape said:may as well ban movies and TV as well if we're going with weapons XDTypeSD said:teh_Canape said:what are you talking about?Deshara said:And nothing of value was lost.
Counter Strike: Source is awesome
It's not even realistic. What, I suppose most counter terrorism ops have everyone running around an area with a "buy" limit, and a piece of C4 with the SAME DISARM CODE EVERY SINGLE TIME. It has guns, so why aren't they banning every single WW2 game as well?
If you're going to ban anything, get rid of ARMA >_>' show some common sense.