@Notch and the 'F-bomb'

[bubba145]

So what they made a mistake. Yes Notch should be mad that they didn't make sure of their script if they had one or if they didn't to make sure it wasn't to bad. And yes he is doing the whole "Pot calling the kettle black" thing. Should Yogcast apologize... not really if people brought there kids to Vegas they probably heard and saw worse. And the over reaction on Notch's side makes him seem like an ass. but that's my two cents.

 

[Some_weirdGuy]

You know what's really annoyed me now? It's all that muck that Notch threw at the Yogscast on Twitter, and (whether or not it's true) has now put up a tweet that it'll probably all blow over. Make your fucking mind up, Notch, because you've lost a lot of respect from a lot of people by airing your dirty laundry on Twitter and acting like the exact prissy divas he's railing against. I used to think Notch was a pretty cool, laid-back guy, even up to that interview he did the other day with them (in which, I might add, he acted in pretty vulgar manner himself). But now? I see someone who has let his success go to his head, and thinks he can go around passing judgement on all and sundry who don't match up to his own double standards.

He only gave those details after yogscast fans spamming him with hate mail. Until then he was tight lipped on the whole affair.

I don't blame him either.
You try to do the right thing and not say much, people start acting like complete tools without even knowing anything about it, he then says what happened and what gripes he has over it.
what's so unreasonable about that?


As for what's really happened here with the actual event, I don't really know(we haven't heard both sides) and honestly... I don't really care.

i can only assume you're a fan boy so wrapped up in denial and cant accept that your role model is less than perfect, stop putting people on pedestals
and man up.

anyone else find this funny, both sides using the exact same 'you're just a blind fanboy, wake up and realise [Yogscast|Notch] isn't as great as you think!' argument.

XD

 

[lacktheknack]

-_-

^mfw people ITT cannot tell the difference between a YouTube video and a convention skit

It was completely classless, and Notch is in the right here. "Parents should be better" is valid for justifying questionable content in internet videos, but dropping bombs on stage in front of kids/saying "Fuck you" to a kid's face with no warning is a different ball game.

And to everyone who's decrying the idea that words can be offensive... stop raising other people's kids. -_-

Oh, and it appears that no one checks sources anymore.

https://twitter.com/#!/notch/status/138560415197179904
https://twitter.com/#!/notch/status/138715927746314240
https://twitter.com/#!/notch/status/138716436129529856
https://twitter.com/#!/notch/status/138716600416215040
https://twitter.com/#!/notch/status/138716709715582976
https://twitter.com/#!/notch/status/138716909767102464
https://twitter.com/#!/notch/status/138717287069913088

Excuse me as I fail to muster any sympathy at all for Yogscast and point out that I'm extremely disappointed with everyone who posted without even reading the relevant tweets.

And OP: You're not telling the truth. "Threatening to deface a child's property with "FUCK YOU" in ink does not equal "dropped the F-Bomb in front of kids". The guy who did it is just a high calibur idiot, no matter what your stance on profanity is.

 

[lacktheknack]

Oh who the fuck gives a shit about this kind of mother-fucking bullshit?
It's obviously a MASSIVE over-reaction on Notch's part, it's just the 'fcuk' word, may as well have said rough sex, in fact, in this fucked-up logic that would be 100 times better because it doesn't involve 4 letters stringed together to mean what rough sex does, (more or less on the definition here)

If you find swear words offensive, get over it and chill the fuck out.

Kid: "Hey Yogscast guys! I got this paper signed by Notch, will you sign it too? "

Yogscast guy: "How about I cross that out and write "FUCK YOU" instead?"

Kid: "D:"

Your argument is invalid.

 

[lacktheknack]

Why can't you be mature on this? Why do you have to be so snide against Notch as his colleagues?

this is basically my point, they want to be entertainers and professional businessmen;
yet they act like childeren and squabble over silly details.

i cannot even imagine a world full of people that act that way in any place of social influence
( with the possible exception of fox news )

how would you react to gabe newell starting a press conference about half-life 3 and inviting leading members of the computing, gaming and technology community and then watch them troll each-other for 30 minutes and then walk away and tweet about how arrogant greedy and pathetic each other are
and how they talk behind your back about your millions?

it's simply not how a polite society acts. why cant you see it for what it is ? if anyone else did it you'd probably laugh or cry

also, what is this cry about age? as if it matters.
for the record i'm 25 but why do you care? if someone has a point or not is not co-dependant on the amount of years spent on the planet
it takes about half a second to generate a thought, you're a little behind the curve past there
if you feel you need to be a certain age to have any valid opinion
it's likely because you have nothing on which to base an argument so you make things up
well, nobody is impressed

i can only assume you're a fan boy so wrapped up in denial and cant accept that your role model is less than perfect, stop putting people on pedestals
and man up.

and as far as i'm concerned this conversation is over because you cant construct an enlightened post that does not resort to petty cajoling, and will soon violate forum rules
so good day.

Someone different here...

I'll cut to the point.

Verbally attacking children to their face is not a silly detail.

Publically attacking the company hosting you is not a silly detail.

Insulting convention-goers behind their backs is not a silly detail.

They are very large details that are worth refusing to work with someone over.

As for why Notch didn't keep quiet, it's because he was being attacked by huge amounts of baseless twats, and decided to nip it in the bud (gee, didn't you say something about polite society...?).

 

[walrusaurus]

another example of american stupidity

somebody dropped an F bomb , let's make a revolt.

Notch Is from Sweden, and Simon and Lewis are from England. So i don't see how such moronic/offensive stereotyping is in any way relevant.


OT:

"Everyone else in the Minecraft community is all about respecting and caring. They're not. They're an isolated island of egos."

How is that not the precisely the kind of petulant disrespect Notch is railing against? Regardless of how valid his complaints are, he certainly isn't handling it very well.

 

[Treblaine]

Why can't you be mature on this? Why do you have to be so snide against Notch as his colleagues?

this is basically my point, they want to be entertainers and professional businessmen;
yet they act like childeren and squabble over silly details.

i cannot even imagine a world full of people that act that way in any place of social influence
( with the possible exception of fox news )

how would you react to gabe newell starting a press conference about half-life 3 and inviting leading members of the computing, gaming and technology community and then watch them troll each-other for 30 minutes and then walk away and tweet about how arrogant greedy and pathetic each other are
and how they talk behind your back about your millions?

it's simply not how a polite society acts. why cant you see it for what it is ? if anyone else did it you'd probably laugh or cry

also, what is this cry about age? as if it matters.
for the record i'm 25 but why do you care? if someone has a point or not is not co-dependant on the amount of years spent on the planet
it takes about half a second to generate a thought, you're a little behind the curve past there
if you feel you need to be a certain age to have any valid opinion
it's likely because you have nothing on which to base an argument so you make things up
well, nobody is impressed

i can only assume you're a fan boy so wrapped up in denial and cant accept that your role model is less than perfect, stop putting people on pedestals
and man up.

and as far as i'm concerned this conversation is over because you cant construct an enlightened post that does not resort to petty cajoling, and will soon violate forum rules
so good day.

When I said "I don't know how old you actually are" the point is I thought you were acting immature regardless of if your are actually 75, 25 or 12. The way YOU act. You fail to comprehend what I say. You put zero effort into punctuation, no capitalisation or apostrophes as if this is just an extended text message. You don't even capitalise people's names.

Notch isn't squabbling. The entire convention they did not just "troll each other for 30-minutes. On the subject of big entertainment corporation supposedly never trolling:

"it's simply not how a polite society acts."

Yeah, and Notch calls them out on being impolite and anti-social yet he is the Man-Child?

"it takes about half a second to generate a thought, you're a little behind the curve past there"

Again with the packaged snide remarks. That is a baseless insult you could hurl at anyone. It doesn't mean anything other than "I think you're stupid".

"it's likely because you have nothing on which to base an argument so you make things up"

What have I made up? This snide comment comes out of nowhere and goes nowhere. What is the point of all this except to try to shoot the messenger, the messenger being me that your man-child comment is out of order.

 

[Exosus]

My feelings about censorship, like my feelings about the concept of "community," people who say "n-word" instead of "******," and now apparently my feelings about Notch, can be summed up in three words: Fuck. That. Shit.

Wait... "the concept of 'community'"? Now I'm curious what you mean by that. Judging by your attitude, I'm pretty sure it doesn't mean what it sounded like to me.

I'm always excited when people pick up on my "attitude." It makes me feel urban . Anyway, what I mean by that is that there is the implication that there is some sort of overarching unity of humanity which can be offended by things like cursing, pornography, violent media, and so forth, some uber-alles 'community' which must be taken into consideration. This is wrong for two reasons. First of all, the concept of unity among mankind is predicated on the falsehood of every single bit of history there is. As a species we have had 16 years without war since the advent of the written word. That's not very communal, now is it?

Second of all, if there was such a thing, it would never be a unity of opinion or of taste, and if it were then we wouldn't need the moral majority to watch over it because we would all agree on what was desirable, now wouldn't we?

It's at best a mind-blowingly stupid concept and at worst a cynical attempt at control. I'm not sure which would make me hate people more, but I feel safe saying both are a little sickening.

 

[2fish]

I'm fairly ambivalent on the whole matter, but it doesn't seem like as much of an overreaction if certain people had been pissing around the whole time as Notch has revealed (Operative word if, I hasten to add)

I'm with you, but after the Bethesda incident, I really don't trust Notch any more. Especially with claims this outlandish.

Yay a post that means I don't have to type out my thoughts!

You are my bestest friend.

Notch we forgave you for some of your tweets about scrolls, but again?

Also to tweet about people talking behind other peoples backs.... is a tweet not talking behind someones back?

 

[TorqueConverter]

Am I the only one bewildered that people are taking anything anyone "tweets" seriously? Twitter is a joke. If you posses any degree of professionalism you will take the time to express your thoughts in a proper online journal, article or what have you. If Notch has something important to say, such as his take on this incident, he should treat it like it is something important and keep it away from tweeter. Taking what he tweets seriously is like taking something he IM'd or text messaged seriously.

 

[Kitty4President]

Personally, I think that everyone is at fault here. Even the fans.

The Yogscast acted wrongly during the confrence (I'm waiting to hear their side of the story, however), but then Notch tweeted such things about them, which, of couse, caused Notch's fans to attack the Yogscast and the Yognaughts to attack Notch. (Because y'know, the fanbase does that.)

I'm just hoping that everyone will apologise to each other sooner or later and go back to being friends.

 

[Sizzle Montyjing]

-snip-

First of all, i don't give fuck.
Second of all, is that what reallly happened?
Did the yogscast say 'Fuck you' to a child?
No.

That's like me going 'The kid got his cock out, your argument is invalid'.

 

[vfaulkon]

Personally, I think that everyone is at fault here. Even the fans.

The Yogscast acted wrongly during the confrence (I'm waiting to hear their side of the story, however), but then Notch tweeted such things about them, which, of couse, caused Notch's fans to attack the Yogscast and the Yognaughts to attack Notch. (Because y'know, the fanbase does that.)

I'm just hoping that everyone will apologise to each other sooner or later and go back to being friends.

Oh, I doubt that last part will happen. This IS the internet, after all. Frankly, the fans on both sides - and now Notch, having read his Twitter - haven't impressed me much. Notch is spouting all this stuff about the Yogscast on his twitter advertised on Minecraft's front page, but without providing a scrap of evidence to support it. Honestly, who couldn't see that and think he's just whining to conjure sympathy from his fanbase, when the option to contact the Yogscast directly is surely available (since they've, y'know, WORKED TOGETHER in the past) and he could've simply not brought it up.

And the fans, ugh. One rumor and suddenly the Yognauts are yelling at Notch, Notch gets defensive and starts mudslinging, the Minecraft fans attack the Yogscast (who thus far have said NOTHING about any of this apparently), the Yognauts attack the fans...it's like a verbal re-enactment of the start of World War I.

If the Yogscast just keeps quiet about the whole affair or makes maybe one glib joke about it before moving on from it forever (or, y'know, handling it discreetly), they'll officially have my support for being the bigger people and not being drawn into this quickly-degrading flame war, regardless of what 'spoiled divas' they may or may not have acted like. Seriously, tired of this internet drama BS.

 

[Raddra]

Oh come on... this has been common language in playgrounds since the 1980's.

 

[Trippy Turtle]

I bet they giggled for a minute and have forgotten by now...
Hell they probably use it five time a day. People make such a stupid problem out of nothing. I just want to kick some people off of earth. They can go live on mars where they won't bother anyone.

 

[Kitty4President]

Personally, I think that everyone is at fault here. Even the fans.

The Yogscast acted wrongly during the confrence (I'm waiting to hear their side of the story, however), but then Notch tweeted such things about them, which, of couse, caused Notch's fans to attack the Yogscast and the Yognaughts to attack Notch. (Because y'know, the fanbase does that.)

I'm just hoping that everyone will apologise to each other sooner or later and go back to being friends.

Oh, I doubt that last part will happen. This IS the internet, after all. Frankly, the fans on both sides - and now Notch, having read his Twitter - haven't impressed me much. Notch is spouting all this stuff about the Yogscast on his twitter advertised on Minecraft's front page, but without providing a scrap of evidence to support it. Honestly, who couldn't see that and think he's just whining to conjure sympathy from his fanbase, when the option to contact the Yogscast directly is surely available (since they've, y'know, WORKED TOGETHER in the past) and he could've simply not brought it up.

And the fans, ugh. One rumor and suddenly the Yognauts are yelling at Notch, Notch gets defensive and starts mudslinging, the Minecraft fans attack the Yogscast (who thus far have said NOTHING about any of this apparently), the Yognauts attack the fans...it's like a verbal re-enactment of the start of World War I.

If the Yogscast just keeps quiet about the whole affair or makes maybe one glib joke about it before moving on from it forever (or, y'know, handling it discreetly), they'll officially have my support for being the bigger people and not being drawn into this quickly-degrading flame war, regardless of what 'spoiled divas' they may or may not have acted like. Seriously, tired of this internet drama BS.

Hey, I did say that I was only hoping for it, didn't I?
I find it interesting that both Notch and the Yogscast have both cooperated with each other (They even played Team Fortress 2 with each other) and then all of the sudden, Notch hates them. Either there's something really going on with him right now, or he's being an epic trololo. If it's the later, then I'm not sure whether to be PO'd for saying such things, or to be impressed with his efforts.

That's fandom for you, when the shit hit the fan, the ievitable flaming begins.

Knowing them, they'd either ignore the abuse, of maybe just mention it breifly and then carry on with what they do. I know it may sound like I'm idolising them a little, but all this hate that circling around about them just doesn't sound like them. Neither does the sound of Notch blackmailing someone like this.

 

[Yetipumper]

Hey, OP. "Disablism" is not a word. And if it was, it'd mean the opposite of that.

Disablism

Disablism is the "discriminatory, oppressive or abusive behaviour arising from the belief that disabled people are inferior to others". This definition has been used by Scope since 2004.

If they say it's a word, I'm happy to use it as a word.

 

[RobCoxxy]

Considering he made frequent references to bagning honeydew's mum.... they're all kids.

This whole thing could have been avoided if Notch had simply asked to see the video opener beforehand. He's obviously seen their videos. He knows they swear. Invites them to Minecon.

They swear.
He acts like a child in return.

 

[Yetipumper]

notch and simon and lewis are the quintessential man-child,

Notch, who without any major publisher backing made the hugely successful game Minecraft, making all the code from scratch... is somehow a man child. He is 32 year old, what will YOU have achieved by that age?

PS: before you go off believing the OP, check the source and realise that the OP doesn't know the difference between "general use of cuss words" and "being insulting".

Notch's issue is with them directly insulting people, not general cuss words.

https://twitter.com/#!/NOTCH

"Yogscast repeatedly insulted people, talked behind their backs, refused to cooperate, and acted like total spoiled divas nonstop."

"They called us "a bunch of nerds who don't know how to run a company", demanded that we pay them to come here (nobody else got paid)."

"I'm very sorry about the behavior of the people (clarified as yogscast) we won't work with any more. Celebrity or not, you don't f-bomb kids."

Difference between swearing within earshot of children and swearing AT them! And of course, were they called out on this and asked to apologise, did they still refuse? OP is telling a very warped version of events.

Treblaine, before you go off on another arrogant, patronising rant, check your facts. At the time of posting, all I'd seen was a tweet by Notch saying that someone had dropped the 'F-bomb'. I decided to use this as a lead to MY questions over the use of language in the gaming community. I am very aware of the difference between "directly insulting people, not general cuss words". I notice that your condescending tone isn't appreciated elsewhere, maybe you should address that? *puts emphasis on own condescending tone*

 

[Zeema]

i don't see why it matter's 'sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me'

I know kids you say the C word in front of people