This action will eventually cause the internet to shut down. Think about it no site will be protected because almost all sites are connected in one way or the other. My site leads to his site, his site leads to her site, her site leads to their site, their site leads to another site, another site leads to that site and so on. Some where along this line will be (a so called) bad site, so since all sites are connected in some way then they will either have to be shut down or have no links at all. That would be pretty boring.
Now it's Filesonic, the witch hunt was officialy begin.
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THERE WERE DEDICATED SITES TO PASS OUT FREE PRODUCTS, AND THOSE SITES WERE JUST SHUT DOWN.Sandytimeman said:
I hope that's clear enough, you know what those sites did when they found copyrighted material before this happened? They removed them. You're blaming sites for something that they were already against.
Who is "They"? Nobody came for anyone except MegaUpload. Then the only after a two year investigation did MegaUpload get shut down. On top of that a good bit of the things they went after MegaUpload for were not even copyright/piracy related.MrDeckard said:
Every other site has taken their content down all on their own. There has been fuck all done to these sites. They've chosen to restrict access or stop allowing downloading or take content off their site. These sites are simply scared of being next and are grossly over reacting to the situation.
I don't want to see the US going and fucking over the internet as much as the next guy and when the time comes they start to shut sites down at the drop of a hat I will be the first in line to condemn them for it. However, this is not that time. They've only shut down one site and that was after two years worth of compiling evidence and going through the proper channels and only because it had a cubic shit ton of shady shit going on.
Right now you should be mad at the individual sites for being absolutely spineless in the face of one bad site getting shut down.
Or add "with" before FileSonic, and add another comma after "Now". Also, putting "officially" between "has" and "begun" creates a variation of a split infinitive, another grammatical pothole. I think the best way to rewrite the thread title would be:thenumberthirteen said:
"Now, with FileSonic being taken down, the witch hunt has begun."
Grammar-Nazi mouth-breathing aside, this is starting to get out of hand. I can understand trying to curb piracy, but there's a ton of collateral damage already bleeding from the seams. Eventually the very businesses these blowhards are trying to help are going to suffer damage beyond repair.
And when the FBI realizes this too late and makes an awkwardly-delivered statement akin to "Uh... our bad. Heh... ^__^' ," the entire collective of the US population will shake their heads in exasperation, muttering an equally disgruntled "What a bunch of fucking idiots...". And it will be simultaneously glorious, hilarious, and ridiculous.
This is more like, "They came for the copyright infringers, but I did not speak up because I was not a copyright infringer. Then they came for more copyright infringers, and I still didn't speak up because I still wasn't one. And so on and so forth".MrDeckard said:
The second they take down a site that conducts itself legitimately I will speak up. But I don't vouch for the guilty, lest my words mean nothing when I do the same for the innocent.
Videobb is still up...danirax said:
I'm getting bored of this. It was easy when it was just the one or two sites you could visit, now the feebies have decided to throw a hissy fit and suddenly it's so much harder to find sites with uploads on them.
(Just in case)
Since people on this site seem to have a hard time understanding my message when I'm being sarcastic, here's what I meant:
Taking down megavideo/videobb/sidereel/youtube will not stop eople from finding ways to upload and watch files online. For every single site taken down a new one will be created almost immediately, probably more. Until either the internet is censored to the degree that the Chinese censor it (officially placing the US into dictatorship levels) or they agree to live and let live, people will always find a way to watch what they want to watch.
Someone somewhere needs to start being mature about this. However, since on the one side you have the internet (which is never going to mature ever) and on the other side you have the American government, which although it's made of mature citizens (thus definitely representative of the majority of the American populace) is never actually mature, I think that the back and forthing is more likely.
Yeah, this whole thing is just one big playground shoving contest, and the winner will be determined by who has the bigger hands.
Taking down megavideo/videobb/sidereel/youtube will not stop eople from finding ways to upload and watch files online. For every single site taken down a new one will be created almost immediately, probably more. Until either the internet is censored to the degree that the Chinese censor it (officially placing the US into dictatorship levels) or they agree to live and let live, people will always find a way to watch what they want to watch.
Someone somewhere needs to start being mature about this. However, since on the one side you have the internet (which is never going to mature ever) and on the other side you have the American government, which although it's made of mature citizens (thus definitely representative of the majority of the American populace) is never actually mature, I think that the back and forthing is more likely.
Yeah, this whole thing is just one big playground shoving contest, and the winner will be determined by who has the bigger hands.
Basically this. There are shows I watch over the Internet because they aren´t available here.Makhiel said:
Something I've been wondering about TV in the UK. Since you guys don't have ad breaks, what happens if you're in the middle of an episode of say "Doctor Who" and you have to use the bathroom, or want to get a snack? I mean, I understand that now, if you have a DVR, you can just pause it, but what about people without DVRs or pre-DVR? Did you just miss part of the episode?surg3n said:
It wasn't about where it was hosted or where the CEOs were or even where the company was registered. Everyone arrested in the case were US citizens and therefor subject to US law. The people who run TPB are not US citizens so there is no way to extradite them to the US.TopazFusion said:
The proper way to title this thread would be "Filesonic pulls content and bans users for no damn reason". The way it's written makes it seem like Filesonic went the way of MegaUpload and they haven't. Filesonic pulled their own content and made their own restrictions. None of these file sharing sites that are out there acting like a bunch of spineless cowards have had anything happen to them yet. They are just over reacting to what happened to MegaUpload.SageRuffin said:
This is not being done by the government its being done by the websites themselves.MrDeckard said:
Fileserve, Filejungle, Uploadstation and Filesonic - They are deleting several files and closing their membership.
Not by the government they are trying to make the site so they cannon be sued
Uploaded - Banned USA Ip.
Not shut down they just blocked us users so they can not be held accountable.
Filepost and Hotfile - Is suspending all accounts that inflicts their rules
They are just enforcing the dmca better in hope of stopping the us from suing them for hosting copyrighted content.
4shared - Deleting several files
Probably just movies and the likes
Mediafire - Will have to open up to the FBI and depose to them.
They just have to show how they get their money and and disclose user data of illegal downloads probably
Look only mediafire has problems with the fbi and the rest is just websites trying to secure dmca protection now stop being paranoid
And youtube getting shut down?
It has dmca Protection meaning it has protection by law from being shut down.
And reviews fall under fair use.
And stop comparing this to a fucking ethnic cleansing dude!
this is actually a working tactic for now.
They shut down megaupload
which made 175 Milion dollars of off copyrighted content so they deserved to be shut down.
and before you say legal users also used it and got screwed over here is a good example of what they did.
Imagine a warehouse owner knew that people were storing copied DVDs and movies
but instead of going to the cop they just let them stay in exchange for a small percent of the profits
and everybody goes into a tizzy and tries to confirm they have dmca protection.
Thus censoring themselves without the cost of taxpayer money.
So stop screaming.
"ITS THE END OF THA INTERNETZ"
And accept the internet is gonna change like the wild west
and either we find a peaceful solution or we get forced into censorship
and get less than we could have gotten had we cooperated with politicians for better anti piracy laws.
This should be in the OP ^zelda2fanboy said:
This man made MONEY from torrents. He actively SOLD other peoples work illegally to afford this stuff. He is a thief. He deserved everything he got.
Im fine with streaming the walking dead because im british and my schedule wont let me watch it on telly where its free anyway. Im NOT ok with downloading things i usually have to pay for and paying someone else less to fund their egomanaical lifestyle to do so.
Megaupload deserved it. Theres not much more to say.
Youtube doesnt let users upload full movies and then let said users make money to afford luxuries by selling someone elses work. Youtube also doesnt commit the MANY crimes that this person did. At least get facts straight people. Anyone defending this thief is woefully misinformed of his crimes.MrDeckard said:
He basically made money by selling illegal copies of OTHER peoples work. How SHOULD this be allowed. Its abd enough when you pirate things and NO one gets paid. Its worse when its some randomer who laughs in the faces of the original developer.
You wanna hear some really dumb shit? I'm currently in the process of dropping some gameplay videos of the new SR3 DLC. Some parts are getting flagged because of me playing some of the music that's featured on the in-game radio stations.Smeggs said:
Yes, you read that italicized part correct: I'M GETTING FLAGGED FOR LISTENING TO MUSIC LICENSED FOR THE GAME ITSELF.
An analogy for anyone who still doesn't quite understand how ridiculous this sounds: a few months ago, a woman put up a completely innocuous video of her baby playing with a toy. Harmless, right? She was threatened to have her video taken down because of a song playing IN THE BACKGROUND. My situation is very similar to that.
I see... "knowledge is power" indeed. Some clarification would do wonders, well... everywhere.Xanthious said:
The problem with this is less that it is about right and wrong, and more about the people who make laws, and lobby for laws, getting paid for making things illegal.
You only have to look at the UK prior to the 1984 video recordings act, and the subsequent anti-piracy measures brought in to help enforce it. Prior to the act you had hundreds of small, commercial disributors and film-makers finally able to reach their audience. Afterwards, they were squeezed out as the cost of classification effectively meant they wouldn't be able to turn a profit on distribution, and wouldn't be able to purchase any further titles.
The exact same thing is what is happening here. The people who were pushing SOPA don't want to stop piracy: they want you to pay every time you play a game, or watch a film, for every minute. The first stop is to stop the cheap alternatives, and then force everyone into an exploitative model that benefits only them.
The fact is that filesharing isn't even damaging anyone in any industry. The whole thing is a myth: insider reports constantly show that those who download are usually the people who spend the most on their media, and those things that are downloaded are usually pre-release copies, or inaccessable elsewhere, and then when released those people downloading them are amongst the first to shell out at the highest, early-adapter prices. There are also examples of filesharing giving people access to content they had no other way, and some film-makers finding an audience they would never have had otherwise.
Then you look at the amount of money being brought in: 'Modern Warfare' continues to break records, 'Avatar' made a fortune, and this was despite them being amongst the most downloaded content. The fact is that even then, the majority of the money doesn't go to the artists, but people who are so wealthy they don't actually need the incredibly small amount they lost.
And it is incredibly small, because there is a difference between being given access to a huge library for free, and being charged for each book. People who fileshare will download more content than they could ever watch because they can, but they wont buy more content than they could ever watch because they could never afford it. And to launch an attack like this during a recession is just irresponsible, especially as, psychologically speaking, the human mind does not equate clicking a button marked "download now" with stealing, because it isn't stealing - as the name implies, it is sharing.
Then there is the simple argument: since when was sharing a bad thing? Surely, if I take my copy of 'The Matrix' round to a friends, and let them watch it, aren't I sharing the content? Shouldn't the burden of proof be on those who invest in the content (many of which wouldn't need any kind of return to continue living a fabulous lifestyle) to prove they have been hurt when someone doesn't pay to view their work.
Finally, there is the question of how some types of media will inevitably become obsolete. Why should we continue to support an inferior means of content delivery, such as the cinema, just because some rich people with access to lobbyists decide they don't want to admit it is dying a death, and has been for a very long time. Whenever I go to the cinema my choices are poor: an Adam Sandler "comedy", some inferior found-footage horror, generic flag-waving action, or a chick-flick that insults every woman on Earth. Compare that with online, which potentially has everything. Ever.
This is just the American Empire doing its best to burn down their own library of Alexandra.
You only have to look at the UK prior to the 1984 video recordings act, and the subsequent anti-piracy measures brought in to help enforce it. Prior to the act you had hundreds of small, commercial disributors and film-makers finally able to reach their audience. Afterwards, they were squeezed out as the cost of classification effectively meant they wouldn't be able to turn a profit on distribution, and wouldn't be able to purchase any further titles.
The exact same thing is what is happening here. The people who were pushing SOPA don't want to stop piracy: they want you to pay every time you play a game, or watch a film, for every minute. The first stop is to stop the cheap alternatives, and then force everyone into an exploitative model that benefits only them.
The fact is that filesharing isn't even damaging anyone in any industry. The whole thing is a myth: insider reports constantly show that those who download are usually the people who spend the most on their media, and those things that are downloaded are usually pre-release copies, or inaccessable elsewhere, and then when released those people downloading them are amongst the first to shell out at the highest, early-adapter prices. There are also examples of filesharing giving people access to content they had no other way, and some film-makers finding an audience they would never have had otherwise.
Then you look at the amount of money being brought in: 'Modern Warfare' continues to break records, 'Avatar' made a fortune, and this was despite them being amongst the most downloaded content. The fact is that even then, the majority of the money doesn't go to the artists, but people who are so wealthy they don't actually need the incredibly small amount they lost.
And it is incredibly small, because there is a difference between being given access to a huge library for free, and being charged for each book. People who fileshare will download more content than they could ever watch because they can, but they wont buy more content than they could ever watch because they could never afford it. And to launch an attack like this during a recession is just irresponsible, especially as, psychologically speaking, the human mind does not equate clicking a button marked "download now" with stealing, because it isn't stealing - as the name implies, it is sharing.
Then there is the simple argument: since when was sharing a bad thing? Surely, if I take my copy of 'The Matrix' round to a friends, and let them watch it, aren't I sharing the content? Shouldn't the burden of proof be on those who invest in the content (many of which wouldn't need any kind of return to continue living a fabulous lifestyle) to prove they have been hurt when someone doesn't pay to view their work.
Finally, there is the question of how some types of media will inevitably become obsolete. Why should we continue to support an inferior means of content delivery, such as the cinema, just because some rich people with access to lobbyists decide they don't want to admit it is dying a death, and has been for a very long time. Whenever I go to the cinema my choices are poor: an Adam Sandler "comedy", some inferior found-footage horror, generic flag-waving action, or a chick-flick that insults every woman on Earth. Compare that with online, which potentially has everything. Ever.
This is just the American Empire doing its best to burn down their own library of Alexandra.
What won't they stay quiet about the sites doing it of their own free will? The mega upload was the FBI the rest are out of FEAR for the FBI so Anon has no ground to stand on if they want to start going after people for this.danirax said:
I think we've already seen what politicians feel are "better anti piracy laws."rolfwesselius said:
And people like to shit all over the "Think about the non-pirate users" claim, but yeah, what about them? What if people who had self-created content, like reviews or whatever, hosted on those sites? Under the "better laws" you want, if the happened to have a clip or whatever in them, there's a very real chance that those files could get removed or the entire site taken down. Youtube already has to deal with this stuff all the time with DMCA claims on stuff that is obviously fair use.
Bring on the brave new world where publishers, labels, the FBI, whoever write the laws and can shut down stuff at a whim. Who needs internet startup companies when we have doddering old publishers to keep providing us with quality content at reasonable prices.. oh wait. Can't wait till The Escapist get's shut down and we can get our gaming news from Fox, that'll be glorious.
