Obesity Discrimination

[RafaelNegrus]

I call it Tolerhation.

I may have to steal that word from you, that's great

 

[FolkLikePanda]

If someones a dickhead and they're obese I will proceed to call them something regarding their weight, but if they are as sahnd as a pahnd thats gone rahnd tahn then yeah I'll say nothing bad about them.

 

[Spineyguy]

I think I see your point, but I can also totally understand this former boss of yours. Look at it this way: she's running a restaurant, café or whatever it is. Let's say it's competing with a similar business next door, you need every advantage you can get. It's hard running a business and if having a more pretty or handsome girl/guy serving the customers will bring in some more people you can bet your ass they're gonna do it.

On another note, on the subject of not getting jobs because of fatness. I have a friend who is a chef, he is also a really big guy at least 140 kg. Working in a small and busy kitchen, having a larger guy can become something of an issue (something I've heard from co-workers of his). So in that case it wouldn't be weird for an employer to choose a smaller chef instead of the big one, to make it easier for the rest of the crew.

In Sweden we are pretty fit, but also health care is run by tax money. So when someone needs health care because of their lifestyle choices they become a burden to society, so I don't think it's unfair to say we have a responsibility to our fellow citizens to live healthy enough to avoid unnecessary medical treatments. As you so nicely put it: "it comes down to moderation."

I can completely understand why she'd prefer a thin person, and it would make sense if this were a restaurant where you want people to be light on their feet, or where you're trying to attract new customers with what is essentially 'window dressing'. However, it was a shop selling model trains, the average age of our customers was pushing fifty, and of the seven people who I know have worked there I can think of only one who could really be described as an 'oil painting'. Mind you, my predecessor was quite large, perhaps she had a bad experience with him, and the premises was so small that having any more than three customers in at once made things cramped. In jobs where the physical size of employees may affect the efficiency or safety of others, a maximum weight is understandable, but 'it looks better' is hardly a good reason to discriminate, if an amputee applied for the job then I doubt she'd say 'I can't employ him, he's got an icky-looking arm, someone with both arms intact looks better.' I know weight is a very different issue but the principle is the same.

There's a similar debate in the UK, free healthcare at point of use, though I'm sure the Swedish system is better managed. (Last I heard the British NHS was the fifth largest employer in the world, which is absurd.) And some people object to paying for the treatment of total strangers. I, however, feel that having that service gives me a wonderful sense of security. If I do something stupid and end up with a bone protruding somewhere, then being able to simply go to a hospital and get myself patched up without having to worry about fees is very reassuring. I have been around a lot of hospitals in the past four or five years and to be perfectly honest, they are not full of fat people. There are an enormous number of ailments, diseases, injuries and disorders that can affect people throughout their lifetime, and statistically the difference in the health of a fat person to a thin one is barely even noticeable. There are seven billion people in the world, all normally distributed, and you will probably find that alcohol abuse and smoking lead to many more long-term admissions to hospital than obesity.

 

[Spineyguy]

It's a problem that, while pre-existing to an extent, has spread outward from America and is now afflicting much of the rest of the world: the need for a simple explanation. We want a solution to our problem and we want it now and we don't want to have to think about it or admit our own responsibility. People will blame homosexuals for earthquakes and they will blame McDonald's for making them fat because they don't want to put any effort into trying to understand the real reasons.

Pretty much. But what I'm getting at is that blaming various health problems on fat--considering that evidence indicating that it's more complicated than that is already quite easy to find--is more of the same.

Excess weight is a very visible thing, but there are a lot of apparently quite fit people who actually have major health issues because of what they eat. Collections of fat around vital organs will not give the appearance of obesity, but will have serious implications. Again it's the difference between a purely aesthetic level of fitness and a genuinely smooth-running human body.

I would argue that it creates the impression that it doesn't matter. It's like being caught in a spider's web, the more you struggle against it the more entangled you get and the higher your chances of being eaten, but with a cool head and a knife you can easily cut yourself free. And then (after washing it), you can cut yourself a slice of delicious cake and critics be damned.

If we're talking about body-policing specifically, maybe.

But if we're talking about bigotry as a whole? No offense, but your privilege is kind of showing there. Creating the impression that it doesn't matter still creates the impression that it's not unacceptable. Which then creates the impression that it is acceptable.

For my Psychology A-level I attended a girl's grammar school which was affiliated with my usual boy's grammar, the level of bitching that I heard in the common room there was an incredibly interesting thing, but I noted that it was only true of certain individuals.

So on one hand you've got the tall, slim, spray-tanned, hair-dyed potential models who whine constantly about being fat (a trend which I made a valiant effort to combat, if a futile one) and in the post-Christmas half-term when everyone was feeling the effects of a month of mince pies and rampant alcohol abuse the gossip was truly vicious. 'My God, she's so fat, it's disgusting.' 'I would actually die if I got that big.'

And then elsewhere in the school you have some of the larger (read 'happier') girls who have certainly put on a little over Christmas and they are instead talking about the January exams and not a single person anywhere is raising the issue of their weight. No one's saying 'Have you seen X? She's even bigger that she was before!' By that point in their educational career the bullying has essentially been overcome and they are generally more comfortable with their bodies and not a single person even seems to notice.

The attitude of the individual affects how people respond to them, if you have an air of self-respect about you then you will be treated with respect by others. Have a witty retort at the ready and they will think twice before ridiculing you. I might not have a predisposition toward being overweight but I am very nerdy and I speak with a clipped BBC accent, when people make an issue of either thing I know how to put them down and if I want to I can quickly carve myself a niche in a group that would otherwise not accept me.

Captcha: burger with fries. This just keeps getting better.

 

[userwhoquitthesite]

im six foot tall, and weigh 360 pounds. have weighed as much as 380
Being fat is not something you need special treatment for. If you choose to not exercise or eat healthy (as i do), thats perfetly fine, but you need to accept that people who do work out and eat right will look different, and their opinion of you will be colored based on your appearance

So, being fat is a perfectly acceptable way to live, but if you make yourself a giant and tell me you can;t walk, I say fuck off

 

[Farseer Lolotea]

Excess weight is a very visible thing, but there are a lot of apparently quite fit people who actually have major health issues because of what they eat. Collections of fat around vital organs will not give the appearance of obesity, but will have serious implications. Again it's the difference between a purely aesthetic level of fitness and a genuinely smooth-running human body.

I'm familiar with the concept of subcutaneous versus visceral adipose tissue. And also, how visceral adipose tissue gets simplified into "belly fat" (and, as a result, conflated with having anything even resembling a "muffin top").

For my Psychology A-level I attended a girl's grammar school which was affiliated with my usual boy's grammar, the level of bitching that I heard in the common room there was an incredibly interesting thing, but I noted that it was only true of certain individuals.

So on one hand you've got the tall, slim, spray-tanned, hair-dyed potential models who whine constantly about being fat (a trend which I made a valiant effort to combat, if a futile one) and in the post-Christmas half-term when everyone was feeling the effects of a month of mince pies and rampant alcohol abuse the gossip was truly vicious. 'My God, she's so fat, it's disgusting.' 'I would actually die if I got that big.'

And then elsewhere in the school you have some of the larger (read 'happier') girls who have certainly put on a little over Christmas and they are instead talking about the January exams and not a single person anywhere is raising the issue of their weight. No one's saying 'Have you seen X? She's even bigger that she was before!' By that point in their educational career the bullying has essentially been overcome and they are generally more comfortable with their bodies and not a single person even seems to notice.

The attitude of the individual affects how people respond to them, if you have an air of self-respect about you then you will be treated with respect by others. Have a witty retort at the ready and they will think twice before ridiculing you. I might not have a predisposition toward being overweight but I am very nerdy and I speak with a clipped BBC accent, when people make an issue of either thing I know how to put them down and if I want to I can quickly carve myself a niche in a group that would otherwise not accept me.

Captcha: burger with fries. This just keeps getting better.

Oh, so you were referring specifically to body-policing bullshit, then? In that case, I agree to at least a certain extent. (The bullying issue is a huge can of worms, though.)

Also, giggling at the captcha.

 

[Spineyguy]

I'm familiar with subcutaneous versus visceral adipose tissue. (And how it gets simplified as "belly fat," and thus conflated with having anything even resembling a "muffin top.")

There is a very good reason why I failed my Biology GCSE.

But yes, that's what I'm getting at. Anyone who criticises overweight people for being unhealthy should really learn the science behind it first. 'Thin' and 'fit' are constantly being confused because of the aforementioned desire for simple explanations. Moreover, even a 'fit' person will not necessarily be a better employee than a perhaps larger counterpart. My old Philosophy master was the fittest, most active person I've ever known, he ran marathons before breakfast and managed the county rowing club and probably wrestled the odd bear in his time, but his constitution was absolutely feeble because he overworked himself. So for every week that he was in school teaching there were at least a few days where he was at home with one illness or another, but there were disastrously unfit teachers at that school who in 20 years in the job had never taken a day off.

Oh, so you were referring specifically to body-shaming, then? In that case, I agree to at least a certain extent. (The bullying issue is a huge can of worms, though.)

Also, giggling at the captcha.

Now we're getting to the meat of the matter, it's not discrimination against unfit people that's the issue, because nearly everyone wants workers who will perform well and be reliable, that's a reasonable thing to expect. It's the assumption that visibly overweight people(those with high subcutaneous adipose tissue, if you want) will automatically be inept.

Like it or not, first impressions matter a lot in job interviews. A potential employer will, in all likelihood, decided whether or not you will get the job before he/she has asked you any questions. Being overweight, for most jobs, has as little impact on your ability to perform as how many tattoos or piercings you have, and yet:

"I'm sorry, we're not hiring at the moment."

It's going to be a long, hard slog to get over this obsession with being thin, and fat people are here to stay until someone makes a pill that you can take, and even then it won't rid the world of them. People will come around eventually. (I've seen Wall-E, I know how this story ends.) And then cultural shift will mean that in two or three centuries people will look back on the early years of the millennium and think 'The hell were they all worried about?' All we can do in our time is ignore the shallow idiots who can't see the big picture and try to enjoy what little time we have.

 

[Emperor Nat]

I would hesitate to call that discrimination. Despite the old 'personality is what matters' phrase, you cannot start a romantic relationship with someone who you have no physical attraction to.

OT: Generally I'm sticking with the idea that there's a difference between disagreeing with someone's life choices and being a dick about it.

Essentially meaning - you shouldn't ridicule someone for being obese (as in, extremely overweight). That said, you are fully within your rights to disagree with the lifestyle that they are leading, in line with the other people here who have mentioned smoking or drinking.

No offense, but calling physical appearance a "lifestyle choice" is a considerable oversimplification (and presumptuous as hell). While this is an oversimplification in its own right, it's like presuming that anyone who's too skinny to be your type must have an eating disorder.

You're probably right there actually, I apologise. I was more thinking in terms of someone who is dangerously overweight because of poor diet/exercise when I said "life choices", rather than someone with a legitimate condition or disorder.

 

[Farseer Lolotea]

There is a very good reason why I failed my Biology GCSE.

It happens. As far as me goes, if I can't find an immediate application for something mathematical, I tend not to see the point of it.

But yes, that's what I'm getting at. Anyone who criticises overweight people for being unhealthy should really learn the science behind it first. 'Thin' and 'fit' are constantly being confused because of the aforementioned desire for simple explanations. Moreover, even a 'fit' person will not necessarily be a better employee than a perhaps larger counterpart. My old Philosophy master was the fittest, most active person I've ever known, he ran marathons before breakfast and managed the county rowing club and probably wrestled the odd bear in his time, but his constitution was absolutely feeble because he overworked himself. So for every week that he was in school teaching there were at least a few days where he was at home with one illness or another, but there were disastrously unfit teachers at that school who in 20 years in the job had never taken a day off.

Yeah, the ill effects of burning yourself out are all too often overlooked.

Now we're getting to the meat of the matter, it's not discrimination against unfit people that's the issue, because nearly everyone wants workers who will perform well and be reliable, that's a reasonable thing to expect. It's the assumption that visibly overweight people(those with high subcutaneous adipose tissue, if you want) will automatically be inept.

Like it or not, first impressions matter a lot in job interviews. A potential employer will, in all likelihood, decided whether or not you will get the job before he/she has asked you any questions.

And if you've ever read the Dress for Success books, you'll find that it can be over the pettiest things, too. Wearing the "wrong" color shirt for the color of your suit, for example.

Being overweight, for most jobs, has as little impact on your ability to perform as how many tattoos or piercings you have, and yet:

Spoiler: Extreme Piercing!

"I'm sorry, we're not hiring at the moment."

Unless, of course, he was applying at a piercing parlor or other specialized business.

It's going to be a long, hard slog to get over this obsession with being thin, and fat people are here to stay until someone makes a pill that you can take, and even then it won't rid the world of them. People will come around eventually. (I've seen Wall-E, I know how this story ends.) And then cultural shift will mean that in two or three centuries people will look back on the early years of the millennium and think 'The hell were they all worried about?' All we can do in our time is ignore the shallow idiots who can't see the big picture and try to enjoy what little time we have.

Or something. (I've seen suggestions of flipping people the bird if they talk smack, but that's not always going to be the best idea.)

You're probably right there actually, I apologise. I was more thinking in terms of someone who is dangerously overweight because of poor diet/exercise when I said "life choices", rather than someone with a legitimate condition or disorder.

What I meant is that there are people out there who are still going to be fat unless they crash-diet forever (which, ironically, is correlated with many of the ailments blamed on fat). But gotcha.

 

[dementis]

I dislike obese people because I use public transport. The small seats plus a four foot wide person who smells awful crushing me against the window on a summer day makes it difficult for me to not dislike someone that huge!

 

[Syntax Error]

Obesity IS a self-discipline problem... IN AN IDEAL WORLD.

The real problem lies in the fact that your Fastfoods are cheaper than preparing a healthier meal for yourself.

 

[MBergman]

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I can completely understand why she'd prefer a thin person, and it would make sense if this were a restaurant where you want people to be light on their feet, or where you're trying to attract new customers with what is essentially 'window dressing'. However, it was a shop selling model trains, the average age of our customers was pushing fifty, and of the seven people who I know have worked there I can think of only one who could really be described as an 'oil painting'. Mind you, my predecessor was quite large, perhaps she had a bad experience with him, and the premises was so small that having any more than three customers in at once made things cramped. In jobs where the physical size of employees may affect the efficiency or safety of others, a maximum weight is understandable, but 'it looks better' is hardly a good reason to discriminate, if an amputee applied for the job then I doubt she'd say 'I can't employ him, he's got an icky-looking arm, someone with both arms intact looks better.' I know weight is a very different issue but the principle is the same.

There's a similar debate in the UK, free healthcare at point of use, though I'm sure the Swedish system is better managed. (Last I heard the British NHS was the fifth largest employer in the world, which is absurd.) And some people object to paying for the treatment of total strangers. I, however, feel that having that service gives me a wonderful sense of security. If I do something stupid and end up with a bone protruding somewhere, then being able to simply go to a hospital and get myself patched up without having to worry about fees is very reassuring. I have been around a lot of hospitals in the past four or five years and to be perfectly honest, they are not full of fat people. There are an enormous number of ailments, diseases, injuries and disorders that can affect people throughout their lifetime, and statistically the difference in the health of a fat person to a thin one is barely even noticeable. There are seven billion people in the world, all normally distributed, and you will probably find that alcohol abuse and smoking lead to many more long-term admissions to hospital than obesity.

For some reason I thought it was a restaurant or café that was in question, most probably because "serving" rings close to our word for "waitering". My bad there. In that case, I'm not really on her side anymore, a model train shop is a fairly specialized shop and I don't think she'd draw in many more new customers simply by having a pretty boy/girl in it. I would instead prefer someone who had an interest in train models, and I think most customers would certainly agree. In other words in that case I can quite understand ill feelings towards her statement. And to be perfectly honest, I would prefer a waiter/waitress who is more than just pretty. I'm certain we can all agree that you don't need to be pretty to be a fun person to hang out with. Sadly however "window dressing", as you put it, still has an effect that I'm not sure owners can ignore.

It is a wonderful thing to have the healthcare system that we do, and I wouldn't want to have it any other way. I also feel however is that it really should be treated with the respect it deserves, in the way people look at it. Because when it is strangers whom finance it, we really should have greater respect for that, and look at our lives accordingly. As you say, I don't think fat people are overly represented at hospitals, and they should not take all the blame. The same criticism could be applied to anyone who's making conscious decisions that impact their health in such a way treatment might be needed. Smokers for example. That sort of thinking is not very commonplace around here though, people tend to think that I they smoke, for instance, and get cancer they pay the price. But that's not completely true with this system. So I really love the fact that we have the health care system we have, but I also think people don't view with the respect it deserves.

 

[Sanat]

Fat people genuinely disturb me, which in turn annoys me (because naturally I don't wish to be disturbed), which in turn angers me. Therefore I very muchly dislike fat people as a rule. Obese people are just another step further, and I hate them. If it's a lifestyle choice of theirs, then I respect that. They just have to respect the fact that I hate them for being such a repulsive eyesore.

 

[Spineyguy]

For some reason I thought it was a restaurant or café that was in question, most probably because "serving" rings close to our word for "waitering". My bad there. In that case, I'm not really on her side anymore, a model train shop is a fairly specialized shop and I don't think she'd draw in many more new customers simply by having a pretty boy/girl in it. I would instead prefer someone who had an interest in train models, and I think most customers would certainly agree. In other words in that case I can quite understand ill feelings towards her statement. And to be perfectly honest, I would prefer a waiter/waitress who is more than just pretty. I'm certain we can all agree that you don't need to be pretty to be a fun person to hang out with. Sadly however "window dressing", as you put it, still has an effect that I'm not sure owners can ignore.

I didn't specify the nature of the shop when perhaps I should have. Fortunately I'm guilt-free on the employment front, as I was one of only two applicants for that job and the other was underage. Though that makes me wonder whether I was really hired for my subject knowledge or not.

Even in a restaurant I'd rather be served (or 'waitered') by someone with a personality and opinions, and more than one brain cell than by some fatuous bint with enormous breasts. Though I do appreciate enormous breasts.

It is a wonderful thing to have the healthcare system that we do, and I wouldn't want to have it any other way. I also feel however is that it really should be treated with the respect it deserves, in the way people look at it. Because when it is strangers whom finance it, we really should have greater respect for that, and look at our lives accordingly. As you say, I don't think fat people are overly represented at hospitals, and they should not take all the blame. The same criticism could be applied to anyone who's making conscious decisions that impact their health in such a way treatment might be needed. Smokers for example. That sort of thinking is not very commonplace around here though, people tend to think that I they smoke, for instance, and get cancer they pay the price. But that's not completely true with this system. So I really love the fact that we have the health care system we have, but I also think people don't view with the respect it deserves.

People will always be dissatisfied with the status quo. At the moment the old debate about the British monarchy has come up again, with the Queen's 60th jubilee this year. I agree (as ever) with Stephen Fry. With a monarchy we are about as free (whatever that's supposed to mean) as Americans, who have no monarchy, whereas we are not quite as free as countries like Sweden and Switzerland, many of which do have royal families. But people seem to think that the Windsors are a drain on our economy (not a fraction as much as the health service, as it happens) and that they are a relic from another era which are somehow holding us back on the world stage. It doesn't make sense to me, but the argument has raged for centuries and will continue for many more. Then when we finally do amend our constitution we'll find that we miss the old traditions and immediately want to change it back again and the business will begin anew.

The human condition is a curious mix of desire for self-improvement and fear of change.

 

[Spineyguy]

It happens. As far as me goes, if I can't find an immediate application for something mathematical, I tend not to see the point of it.

I used to be great at maths, then I left school and now I can barely count to ten.

And if you've ever read the Dress for Success books, you'll find that it can be over the pettiest things, too. Wearing the "wrong" color shirt for the color of your suit, for example.

A stupid reason not to hire someone, but if basic colour theory were taught at school then people would not make that mistake. Instead, my art lessons were all about 'Free Expression', as if the brats don't do that enough already.

Being overweight, for most jobs, has as little impact on your ability to perform as how many tattoos or piercings you have, and yet:

Spoiler: Extreme Piercing!

"I'm sorry, we're not hiring at the moment."

Unless, of course, he was applying at a piercing parlor or other specialized business.

To be perfectly honest, I doubt he's applying for work at all. I was actually after a different picture, where the bloke's cheek-piercings were so vast that they squished his mouth into a weird shape and probably prevented him from talking. Small mercies, I suppose.

Or something. (I've seen suggestions of flipping people the bird if they talk smack, but that's not always going to be the best idea.)

I haven't the faintest idea what any of that might meant but I'm certain it was poignant and insightful.

 

[Farseer Lolotea]

I used to be great at maths, then I left school and now I can barely count to ten.

A stupid reason not to hire someone, but if basic colour theory were taught at school then people would not make that mistake. Instead, my art lessons were all about 'Free Expression', as if the brats don't do that enough already.

Mm-hmm. Most of the art classes I've taken have either been "follow the reference as exactly as you damn well can!" or "do whatever the hell you want." Which is probably why I've only gotten anywhere with sculpture.

To be perfectly honest, I doubt he's applying for work at all. I was actually after a different picture, where the bloke's cheek-piercings were so vast that they squished his mouth into a weird shape and probably prevented him from talking. Small mercies, I suppose.

Oh, I wasn't implying that he was actively job-hunting. What I meant was that if he were, there are some businesses at which those wouldn't necessarily be a point against him. But they're few and far between.

I haven't the faintest idea what any of that might meant but I'm certain it was poignant and insightful.

What I meant was that a few people have suggested that if someone makes snide remarks about you in public, you should make a "go fuck yourself" gesture in response. Which, to me, seems like a better way to get into a fight than anything else, but whatever.

...and it seems like fat threads are nearly as volatile as gender threads, which is saying something. People really seem to like walking through life flinging stereotypes in every which direction.

 

[Elate]

Yes, at least in the UK I think so, there's no excuse for it. If I'm a student living off the worst food you can ever imagine (Due to lack of money) and I'm not fat, they have no excuse for being fat other than self neglect.

I noticed I was putting on a bit of podge the other week (Not been at uni for a while due to exams and stuff, not been doing the walking see.) so I stopped eating half as much as I was, sure it isn't nice having an empty stomach, but drink water to fill you up and you don't feel it, and you lose weight.. eventually..

 

[I-Protest-I]

Yes, at least in the UK I think so, there's no excuse for it. If I'm a student living off the worst food you can ever imagine (Due to lack of money) and I'm not fat, they have no excuse for being fat other than self neglect.

I noticed I was putting on a bit of podge the other week (Not been at uni for a while due to exams and stuff, not been doing the walking see.) so I stopped eating half as much as I was, sure it isn't nice having an empty stomach, but drink water to fill you up and you don't feel it, and you lose weight.. eventually..

I lost 4 stone that way when I was 16 then bought a weight bench for £60. People who say money is an issue are completely deluded in thinking that.

ALL MY RAGE FATTIES. ADMIT TO IT BEING A CHOICE. HAPPY FAT? FINE. DON'T BLAME ANYONE ELSE.

 

[ninjaRiv]

It's not nice to discriminate against anyone for any reason.

Obesity is just another stupid reason people judge one another. Like people who judge smokers, or christians, or atheists, or immigrants, or women, or gays. This list goes on and on and on.

Can I discriminate for smart reasons?


Like, I hate being poisoned by second hand smoking, or Christians who push their views into politics and force minorities to obey the majority, like the "two wolves and a sheep that took a vote to decide what to eat for dinner".

SNIP

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You can't be born fat, you can be born so that you need to do more exercise to get thin. But you can't be born fat, and stay like that. Also, those surgeries cost thousands of dollars, so people don't pick on other people for not having them because of course they can't afford it. Let me ask you something, how much is it to go for a run? How much is it to go to the local park and do some exercise? How much is it to do about fifty push ups each day to keep fit. If you awnsered nothing, then you are correct. They may not be able to afford healthy food, but they can definetly afford to do exercise. I just hate it when I see people going "Stop making fun of me for my weight, it's who I am!" when all they are doing is trying to justify having a lifestyle that will kill them early. There is no reason why a person can't do exercise (unless of course they are disabled) so why should we let fat people get off it because we don't want to hurt their feelings? Also, if you become fat enough you become disabled you deserve everything that you get, you aren't unlucky or a victim of anything. You brought it upon yourself by not exercising and eating fast food every day of the week when you could easily afford to make your own nice and healthy meals.

Where's that "fat baby that has been gaining weight since he was 3 months old" article..

Oh, here we go.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1368790/Lu-Hao-Chinese-toddler-3-weighs-staggering-132lbs-hes-growing.html

Oh, you proved me wrong. Guess I'm wrong at this point but still. That condition seems to be a VERY VERY rare condition. The people I'm talking about here are the sorts of people who become fat, and try to find an excuse for it. You can't "catch" being fat if you're a healthy baby, you might have a worse metabolism but that never excuses having a bad diet and not doing exercise. If you actually do exercise and eat healthy, yet stay fat then I have my deepest sympathy for you. But if you don't do those things and try to blame your fatness on some sort of internal condition, then you are just a pathetic person who can't be bothered to do something to fix their problems. Basically my views are:

If you aren't medically diagnosed as a person not able to become healthy (if it's because of fatness it doesn't count) then you're just making excuses for not doing exercise and eating badly.

Am I really the only person who lives in an area where you get mugged and killed while you're out jogging? A gym is a safe but expensive place to work out. Also, I was bullied relentlessly in school for being fat despite the fact that I enjoyed sports. I was even discriminated against by a couple of teachers.

So you exercise, good for you. I exercise when I can but it's pretty frigging hard to do it in public when you're fat. And, by the way? Being bullied tends to fuck with your head. That guy at your school who tells you to fuck off? Maybe he's lost the will to live. People have committed suicide for less.

And by the way, a crap metabolism is a thing. My dad has always eaten twice as much as me and he's always been skinny and muscular.

Also, yeah, unhealthy food is dirt cheap compared to healthy food. some of us have to eat processed shit to stay alive.

 

[ninjaRiv]

Also, I walk everywhere. EVERYWHERE! Can't afford a bus and can't drive. Don't eat much, can't afford it (see how that whole "I can't afford it" thing works both ways?). I'm healthier than some skinny people. Still fat, though. Well, fuck! Looks like it's not all about eating expensive food and exercising.