OKCupid Asks Firefox Users To Support LGBT Rights, Switch Browsers

[weirdee]

As another note, even though Chick-fil-A promised to stop donating to these types of organizations, it still is actually donating to these organizations (having only removed 1% of that funding), they've just stopped talking about it and have defaulted their public stance to "assumed neutral" by not saying anything at all.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/01/29/memo-to-media-chick-fil-a-hasnt-ended-its-anti/192434

 

[chiggerwood]

You know at some point you need to separate. If I were to cut every service from my life that employs some asshole to the top that I disagree with, then I would have to live in the woods in a home I built myself. I would have to raise, and grow my own food, make my own tools, and just drop out of society all together. I am for QUILTBAG rights, I despise hate in all of its forms, but every company has assholes, it's unavoidable, and to be honest I'm tired of boycotts based on a single asshole, because that gives that single ************ too much power and I'm not letting assholes ruin my enjoyment of life, fuck 'em.

 

[viking97]

he's also infamous for donating $1000 to California's Proposition 8 campaign, supporting an amendment that defined marriage as solely between a man and a woman.

I feel a lot of people decided not to read that part.

 

[BanicRhys]

Hurray, now I can continue to use Chrome and feel morally superior while doing so!

Thanks, for validating my choice of browser, Mr. Bigoted CEO Man.

 

[SeventhSigil]

he's also infamous for donating $1000 to California's Proposition 8 campaign, supporting an amendment that defined marriage as solely between a man and a woman.

I feel a lot of people decided not to read that part.

Actually, a fair number of people have mentioned it in their replies, so yep, pretty sure they read it. ^_^

 

[MorganL4]

Am I a hypocrite if I refuse to eat at Chick fil e because of their anit-gay agenda but then don't switch browsers when Firefox's CEO turns out to be a homophobic jackass?

 

[Strazdas]

Can any other browser run all the plugins and custom scripts i run? No? Well then i dont have a choice now do i.

Am I a hypocrite if I refuse to eat at Chick fil e because of their anit-gay agenda but then don't switch browsers when Firefox's CEO turns out to be a homophobic jackass?

No. Chick-stupid-name actively works against gay marriage. Firefox CEO has personal beliefs that are different but does not influence anything in his company.

 

[MaximumTheHormone]

Remember that prop 8 wasn't anti gay, it was anti-gay marraige.
He Could actually accept gay relationships as natural for all we know, and just believe in the 'biblical sanctity of marraige'.
I know people who have no problem with gays, they just don't want gay marriage to be called 'gay marriage' as they see marriage as a holy institution. They have no problem with gays getting all the rights of any married couples they just want it to separate to their christian institution of marraige.

people shouldn't be so judgmental based on one action. Maybe someone should try and get in contact with him and ask his opinion before crucifying him?

 

[maxben]

When you boycott a company based purely upon the personal beliefs of the person in charge, I believe you're being hypocritical. You're discriminating against the company purely because the person in charge holds a different belief than yours. You're essentially using the exact same argument that the Bush administration used for those people protesting the war: "If you're not totally in support of this war, you might as well be rooting for the terrorists." Sorry, I didn't realize that I was no longer allowed to have a personal opinion. Just because someone disagrees with boycotting a company based on the CEO's personal beliefs does not mean they agree with or condone said beliefs. Just because I'm not out on the streets demanding gay-rights doesn't mean I believe that gays shouldn't have rights.

Bush was RIGHT! By not supporting the Wars promoted by a democratic leader you are fundamentally going against the concept of democracy and the nation. And that is FINE! You do not have to support the state as it is, much like you do not have to support a company as it is, but at the same time support the country/company as it could be. There is no hypocrisy here. The argument that you can go against the executive+congress+senate+supreme court+ by extension the American people and their votes, and say that you support the country is silly, you support the concept of the country without the very democratic system that is fundamentally it's nervous system and brain. America without the system is a meaningless empty concept that you can put whatever ideas you want into. The "No real Scotsmen" fallacy comes into play here, we can just call it "that's not really America"

Again though, it is fine to be against your country when you think it is doing wrong. Too many of us are obsessed with the idea that you must be patriotic at all times to the point where we turn our opposition and sedition into patriotism when it's really not. And I say this as someone who is not even American, as we do it here in Israel all the time and I saw similar things in Canada when I lived there. My favourite argument was "Harper is ruining the country" when Harper was voted more then enough times into power and therefore represents the very will of the country.

 

[Kameburger]

...And what about those who seek to not give a shit? Must we embrace the spam of LGBT? I suppose nowadays you're either with them or against them.

You've managed to summarize the entire thing in one perfect sentence. In today's world, our options are ''support us or we label you a bigot and bully you to submission and run you out of business''

-A bakery in America was literally shut down with mafia tactics because they didn't want to support a gay wedding out of religious belief, even though they recommended other shops that would
-Riot police in Paris attacked peaceful protestors and used tear gas on children and the elderly
-Gay activists hurl feces at German parents protesting pro-gay school curriculum.

You know this is actually an interesting point. I think what it amounts to is that even if one has the moral high ground in a given case, there are lines that you still shouldn't cross. I think the figures in history that understood this properly recognized that there are limits to how far you can go just swimming up stream. And that you have to sometimes follow the current and go for little victories, and little buy little those little victories will win out in the big picture.

In other words, Pick your battles. It makes no sense to go after every single person who doesn't share your belief. It's inherent inefficiency aside, your message will get lost along the way and you'll end up exhausting even your allies or worse, you'll create a movement against you that just hates you and doesn't care what your point is. All advocates walk that line.

Take global warming. Al Gore once blamed republicans for global warming and in doing so created a political party angle to an other wise completely science based problem. In other words, there are people who are climate skeptics because Al Gore had to make some jokes at his opponents expense. Of course it would take the LGBT community a bit more of an extreme out burst (perhaps a violent riot etc) to achieve that same kind of irrational opposition however it's important to take care and consider the big picture.

The goal is equal rights, and cultural acceptance, not catharsis.

 

[Big Phil]

Why should I be concerned with a company's CEO's political views? The browser is not coded by his political views, it's coded be the company's employees. The fact that somebody once supported something that somebody else doesn't like should not be a valid reason for people to abandon a project that has absolutely nothing to do technically with that event. I have absolutely nothing against LGBT, I'm all for human equality all over the world, but I won't switch from a browser I actually like just because somebody did something someone else didn't like.

 

[Rastrelly]

Oh! I'll switch back to Firefox then.

 

[Thaluikhain]

Oh noes!

A company built (in part) on recognising equality for gay people doesn't like a company run by a homophobe, and politely asks people if they'll consider using someone else's free products. The gays are taking over! The hypocrisy of wanting equality but not liking people trying to force inequality on others is staggering!

This has gone much too far, the gay panic defence probably won't get you off scot free from a murder, so obviously there is no more homophobia left. Gay people should just sit around and not make a fuss and wait until people feel like no discriminating against them anymore.

 

[Quantum Glass]

So, I might be taking the wrong lesson from all of this, but...a 1000 USD donation? Certainly, it's a lot of money to just throw away, and I strongly disagree with the political and social views that led him to donate the money, but in the grand scheme of things it seems pretty harmless. That's, like, what Flappy Bird earned every half-hour or so.

In any case, I'm not sure what my feelings on all of this are. On the one hand, he has the right to believe whatever he wants, and considering his new promotion, he'll probably shut up about it, too (Lest he lose his job).

On the other hand, I can't say I wish to support him, either.

I think I'll withhold judgement until he either does something stupid (Which would, again, probably get him fired) or I forget.

(The point is moot; I use Chrome.)

 

[Rastrelly]

Oh noes!

A company built (in part) on recognising equality for gay people doesn't like a company run by a homophobe, and politely asks people if they'll consider using someone else's free products. The gays are taking over! The hypocrisy of wanting equality but not liking people trying to force inequality on others is staggering!

This has gone much too far, the gay panic defence probably won't get you off scot free from a murder, so obviously there is no more homophobia left. Gay people should just sit around and not make a fuss and wait until people feel like no discriminating against them anymore.

So will you accept as nicely a proposition to switch a browser because new CEO of a company that releases it is gay?

 

[CGAdam]

No, dating site I don't care/didn't know about before this, I will not switch browsers because someone else's viewpoint disagrees with yours.

 

[Thaluikhain]

So will you accept as nicely a proposition to switch a browser because new CEO of a company that releases it is gay?

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No.

Being gay, and hating gay people and wanting them to have less rights aren't equivalent sides of an argument.

 

[Smooth Operator]

Well either this is an april fools troll or just a general "OMG look at my agenda" troll, either way the choice of my browser doesn't hinge on those and never will.

 

[marurder]

...And what about those who seek to not give a shit? Must we embrace the spam of LGBT? I suppose nowadays you're either with them or against them.

Quoted for truth.

I couldn't care less what the CEO of Firefox donates to. I use FF and I didn't even know there was a change.

 

[Roxor]

I can see how switching browsers might hurt Microsoft or Google (less data for them to analyse and make money off), but Mozilla is a non-profit organisation. Whether you use Firefox or not, they're not making any money, so how can a boycott hurt them? I don't think these people have thought things through very well.