Little problem there, the V2s produced by Germany were the start of them, and Project Paperclip lead almost directly to The Manhattan Project.Grahav said:
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Personally, the Nazi's are less evil when you compare them to say...
Stalin's Communist Regime which killed more people the Hitler would have if he'd killed every Jewish human in Europe..Had more work camps then Hitler, work camps where we still have no idea how the inhabitants die. One of the most spread out Intelligence agencies in the World, if you wanted someone dead they were dead.
As for them being half baked story elements, I could not agree more. Honestly it's getting annoying having to wade through all the Nazi's that eat babies and rape puppies, and kill old grandmas with babies tied to puppies.
Stalin's Communist Regime which killed more people the Hitler would have if he'd killed every Jewish human in Europe..Had more work camps then Hitler, work camps where we still have no idea how the inhabitants die. One of the most spread out Intelligence agencies in the World, if you wanted someone dead they were dead.
As for them being half baked story elements, I could not agree more. Honestly it's getting annoying having to wade through all the Nazi's that eat babies and rape puppies, and kill old grandmas with babies tied to puppies.
This and everything discussing hitler being evil should be titled "Hitler, he's evil because he lost!" because really that's the truth. When compared to someone who did similarly horrible things (Alexander the Great) Hitler's not that bad, except he didnt succeed in what he set out to do, so history is written by the guys he was trying to kill, painting him as evil. Just think, Alexander the Great, wiped out whole cities women and children included simply because they didn't move away from a couple horrible people living there, he invaded and decimated the leadership of over 100 nations, he even oppressed his people, making his generals kiss his hand, a thing considered horribly humiliating to the Macedonians. Inspight of all that, he's Alexander the Great, why? Because, Alexander succeeded in what he set out to do, and his people got to write the history on it.
Hitler wasn't the worst person to have ever lived, he just landed on the wrong side of the win/loss equation.
Hitler wasn't the worst person to have ever lived, he just landed on the wrong side of the win/loss equation.
Are you seriously trying to claim that all the European imperialists were trying to do was spread their idea of civilization to "less-advanced" places, rather than abuse people who were not able to fight back very well in order to take their resources? Sure, spreading civilization had a part in imperialism, but it was rather minor compared to the main goal of "take shit." In fact, one might think it was actually used more as a way to legitimize imperialism than to help other civilizations advance ("advance", of course, being seen in a 19th century European point of view).
Of course there are no video games where you play as a Native American killing those evil invading white European settlers in what is now the U.S.A. and Canada. However I do believe there are a few "western" video games where you can blow away Indians (Native Americans). History (and video games) is written by the victors.
I agree with absolutely every post on this thread, even the ones I disagree with.
Nazis are overdone, and they're an easy escape. We are in the middle of a postmodernist revolution in which the hero is dead, the antihero is rising, morality is gray, and evil looks good. There's no character less realistic than the one that does evil for evil's sake. Even being evil for money's or power's sake is a better choice.
But what about the Fascists? They were the perfect JRPG villains: extremelly evil, flamboyantly well-dressed and completely incompetent. I want more games with Fascists.
Nazis are overdone, and they're an easy escape. We are in the middle of a postmodernist revolution in which the hero is dead, the antihero is rising, morality is gray, and evil looks good. There's no character less realistic than the one that does evil for evil's sake. Even being evil for money's or power's sake is a better choice.
But what about the Fascists? They were the perfect JRPG villains: extremelly evil, flamboyantly well-dressed and completely incompetent. I want more games with Fascists.
"The food at McDonalds is pretty bad"
I know, right! Why is everyone always so eager to eat there?
and on a related note, yeah theres always two sides to one story, but rather than trying to see someone elses side, it's much easier prejudge.
and Nazi have gotten rather Cliche
I know, right! Why is everyone always so eager to eat there?
and on a related note, yeah theres always two sides to one story, but rather than trying to see someone elses side, it's much easier prejudge.
and Nazi have gotten rather Cliche
I like the thought behind the DLC there. But how is getting DLC any different to an adult going and buying something at a shop? Granted there's the whole credit card thing which makes it much harder for the kiddies, but if they include a free voucher for it then it's the same as the shop clerk not recognising if someone is a minor.
"the modern-day United States gets away with two, one, all three an irresponsible lack of support from the liberal media"
Hear those helicopter noises over your house man ? Thats your taxi cab to Guantanamo calling. Send us a postcard you commie bastard!!
Hear those helicopter noises over your house man ? Thats your taxi cab to Guantanamo calling. Send us a postcard you commie bastard!!
Spot on.... Back then some leaders were smart enough to look at the map and realise they had a limited amount of time to grab as much real estate as possible then try and hold onto it. The 18th and 19th century were just then first 20 mins of most RTS's, now we are in the turtle down phase, you know what comes next.SuperMse said:
wondering about a german soldier's family and if he really follows Hitler or just loves his country is all very nice but it doesn't change the fact that National Socialist Germany was intent on, and did, slaughter millions upon millions of people, most countries can afford the luxury to evolve into a better society (step by step like the US after the civil rights movement, its still far from perfect but it improved without millions dying) but Nazi Germany was like a house of termites and had to go. Besides modern Germany isn't half-bad, I'm Jewish and heading there this summer, plus my cousin is living in Heidelberg with her two twins fathered by a German man who is really an outstanding fellow.
I would like to say that a WWII game where you kill Nazis, BUT also goes out of it's way to portray the Nazis as everyday people committing evil acts because of manipulation and circumstances, with emphasis on how such actions could happen in any country, yet you still had to kill them anyways for the sake of the greater good, would be pretty amazing.
I don't know why it came to mind but I am reminded of a story...
After the great escape, and if you don't know what that is then educate yourself, they hunted down the SS officers responsible to bring to justice. The more the team assigned to the rounding up of these men investigated the more they realised the whole thing was a 'grey topic' and the more they felt sorry for the SS officers involved. Well most of the people involved, there where more then enough psychopaths that loved the freedom to kill the SS badge gave them.
Yes, these are officers that killed POW in cold blood and the investigators where feeling bad for them. It was so clear to them that the SS officers where just as much of a victim to this unlawful and hideous order. They had no choice but to obey, it was a death sentence to not do so and would of been carried out on the spot. Too many only just wanted to get back to their families alive and where eaten alive inside by what they had to do just to make it so.
Oh and the icing of this cake. One such officer did NOT kill the POW he was told to kill. He didn't want to do it and 'fumbled' with his weapon, probably trying to find a way out of the order. Being cursed out by his superior the weapon was ripped from his hands and the POW killed with it. This story was confirmed, when they caught his superior who was very proud of the crimes he commited and willing to curse this act of 'cowardice,' lamenting that he should of killed both of them.
Still the Brits hanged the guy! Even though he had commited no murder and was disgusted at what he was ordered to do all the Brits cared about was the illusion of 'justice.' He was SS and that was good enough for them.
On the matter of the illusion of justice, the saying 'victor writes history' is fact. If you look back to what the tactics the allied used you can see they where no different to what the Germans where being prosecuted for. Deliberate targeting of civilians was ordered, and carried out, by many branches of the Allied military! For example failing to bomb German factories due to the limitation of the weapons of the era, it was blind luck if you hit one, the British and US forces decided they needed to blow up the innocent citizens to 'break their moral' and commited themselves to carpet bombing cities even if there was no direct tactical advantage to doing so.
It isn't the fact murder is wrong and should be punished, if that was the case many Allied leaders would of been standing beside the German ones on trial. No, murder is well and good... as long as you win the war.
After the great escape, and if you don't know what that is then educate yourself, they hunted down the SS officers responsible to bring to justice. The more the team assigned to the rounding up of these men investigated the more they realised the whole thing was a 'grey topic' and the more they felt sorry for the SS officers involved. Well most of the people involved, there where more then enough psychopaths that loved the freedom to kill the SS badge gave them.
Yes, these are officers that killed POW in cold blood and the investigators where feeling bad for them. It was so clear to them that the SS officers where just as much of a victim to this unlawful and hideous order. They had no choice but to obey, it was a death sentence to not do so and would of been carried out on the spot. Too many only just wanted to get back to their families alive and where eaten alive inside by what they had to do just to make it so.
Oh and the icing of this cake. One such officer did NOT kill the POW he was told to kill. He didn't want to do it and 'fumbled' with his weapon, probably trying to find a way out of the order. Being cursed out by his superior the weapon was ripped from his hands and the POW killed with it. This story was confirmed, when they caught his superior who was very proud of the crimes he commited and willing to curse this act of 'cowardice,' lamenting that he should of killed both of them.
Still the Brits hanged the guy! Even though he had commited no murder and was disgusted at what he was ordered to do all the Brits cared about was the illusion of 'justice.' He was SS and that was good enough for them.
On the matter of the illusion of justice, the saying 'victor writes history' is fact. If you look back to what the tactics the allied used you can see they where no different to what the Germans where being prosecuted for. Deliberate targeting of civilians was ordered, and carried out, by many branches of the Allied military! For example failing to bomb German factories due to the limitation of the weapons of the era, it was blind luck if you hit one, the British and US forces decided they needed to blow up the innocent citizens to 'break their moral' and commited themselves to carpet bombing cities even if there was no direct tactical advantage to doing so.
It isn't the fact murder is wrong and should be punished, if that was the case many Allied leaders would of been standing beside the German ones on trial. No, murder is well and good... as long as you win the war.
The actual reason why all this Nazis are bad crap is always coming out is because its important to keep the Germans feeling guilty about their past so that bs amount of reperations can be leeched from the German Government.
The most recent is
Israel to seek another 1b euros Holocaust in reparations from Germany
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1136383.html
The reality is the Nazis kicked ass, even Edward VIII the King of England thought so, until he decided to Marry an American hooker and was abdicated.
The most recent is
Israel to seek another 1b euros Holocaust in reparations from Germany
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1136383.html
The reality is the Nazis kicked ass, even Edward VIII the King of England thought so, until he decided to Marry an American hooker and was abdicated.
