Osama Bin Laden Celebrations labelled "Disguisting"

[Shycte]

The very face of terrorism has been killed.

Terrorism has no face. It doesn't take a great deal of brain power to figure that out.

I'm sure they've already replaced Bin Laden by now anyway or have a replacement in mind.

Well, I'm sure they have. But if you ask people what they think of when you say terrorism, Bin Laden will pop up in their heads. He is the sympol of terrorism, his very existence is the existence of terrorism. Do you understand?

 

[Astalano]

Anyone celebrating should know than no cesspool in the world can hold you and all your hypocrisy conveys is that you are exactly the same as those "animals" living over in the Middle East.

I'm so sick of this argument.

I am better than any member of Al Qaeda. We are not "the same." There is no question about it. I have never, and will never, kill anyone.

We are all people, yes. But some people are monsters who murder others.

Simply because my country does morally questionable things- or even downright evil things- does not make me evil, anymore than it makes an innocent Pakistani evil. And it does not make me feel guilty about being glad that a piece of shit like Osama is dead.

To everyone else-

Fuck political correctness. If you typed "well, I can understand why people are relieved, but celebrating isn't really the best option." If they have a right to be happy, they have a right to show it.

Keep telling yourself that. This is the kind of thinking that creates monsters.

Let me repeat:

CLEAR CUT MORAL VALUES ARE NECESSARY.

Morality is not based on situation.

People should just sigh about his death, a sigh of relief, and move on. That is all that is necessary.

If you are happy about a person's death at least part of you is a horrible person. You cannot justify being happy for the ending of anyone's life.

 

[zehydra]

The celebration of 9/11 and the celebration of Osama's death shouldn't really be compared. 9/11 was an attack on innocent civilians. Osama was a mass-murderer of innocents.

We can call the celebration of 9/11 disgusting because it was a celebration of mass-murder.

We're celebrating because we finally found and killed the man responsible!

 

[Frostbite3789]

"(The celebrations) are just like the so-called reports by American television of Muslims celebrating after September 11, this is just as bad.

This is the part I take specific issue with. Celebrating the death of a despicable human being and celebrating the deaths of thousands of innocent civilians are two very different things.

It has nothing to do with semantics, that's just straight up foolish.

 

[zehydra]

Anyone celebrating should know than no cesspool in the world can hold you and all your hypocrisy conveys is that you are exactly the same as those "animals" living over in the Middle East.

I'm so sick of this argument.

I am better than any member of Al Qaeda. We are not "the same." There is no question about it. I have never, and will never, kill anyone.

We are all people, yes. But some people are monsters who murder others.

Simply because my country does morally questionable things- or even downright evil things- does not make me evil, anymore than it makes an innocent Pakistani evil. And it does not make me feel guilty about being glad that a piece of shit like Osama is dead.

To everyone else-

Fuck political correctness. If you typed "well, I can understand why people are relieved, but celebrating isn't really the best option." If they have a right to be happy, they have a right to show it.

Keep telling yourself that. This is the kind of thinking that creates monsters.

Let me repeat:

CLEAR CUT MORAL VALUES ARE NECESSARY.

Morality is not based on situation.

People should just sigh about his death, a sigh of relief, and move on. That is all that is necessary.

If you are happy about a person's death at least part of you is a horrible person. You cannot justify being happy for the ending of anyone's life.

unless of course your Moral values say that it is moral to seek justice for crimes, which seems to hold true for a number of people.

I do agree with you though; clear cut moral values ARE necessary. I just don't believe that anyone has the right to dictate to another what those are. Everyone must figure their morals out themselves.

 

[Astalano]

The very face of terrorism has been killed.

Terrorism has no face. It doesn't take a great deal of brain power to figure that out.

I'm sure they've already replaced Bin Laden by now anyway or have a replacement in mind.

Well, I'm sure they have. But if you ask people what they think of when you say terrorism, Bin Laden will pop up in their heads. He is the sympol of terrorism, his very existence is the existence of terrorism. Do you understand?

Do you understand that no terrorist cell with any solid basis thinks this way? Osama is just a leader. He represented the beliefs of his terrorist organization. Terrorism will increase if anything and the only thing that will drastically change is people's perceptions of terrorism and thus you will have a rise in ignorance about the level of terrorism in the world simply because one man, whose importance has been overstated by propaganda to fuel a crazed, ten-year long revenge fantasy, is now dead.

 

[Astalano]

unless of course your Moral values say that it is moral to seek justice for crimes, which seems to hold true for a number of people.

I do agree with you though; clear cut moral values ARE necessary. I just don't believe that anyone has the right to dictate to another what those are. Everyone must figure their morals out themselves.

There are some moral tenets that simply do not and cannot change, such as not celebrating the end of a life.

 

[Jatal Khyron]

I think what we're forgetting is that when those Muslims were celebrating, it was because 3,000 innocent people were murdered by cowards. When Americans celebrated, it was over the death of a madman.

We were COMPLETELY JUSTIFIED in celebrating his death, and I'm sick of all those ultra liberals, either here in the U.S. or overseas, who try to wag their oh-so-more-intelligent-and-sophisticated-than-us finger at the 'stupid rednecks' who have every right to feel joy that a man who was every bit as evil as Hitler was dead. They drag our dead soldiers thru the streets, strip them naked and hang them from poles, they behead innocent journalists and use women and children as human shields, and we're supposed to believe that we're 'as bad as they are'?

Bullshit.

I'm sure I'll get flamed. I could even be banned from this forum. If so, so be it. But as a former member of the very same U.S. Navy that put a bullet in that bastard's head, I couldn't be happier.

 

[Laxman9292]

Ummmmm... I don't know about you guys. But Osama was a bit of an asshole, to the point that he killed hundreds upon thousands of his own people and thousands of our own, not including the GIs killed in combat with his followers. And people are complaining? OH NO! THE RADICAL TERRORIST WHO ORCHASTRATED 9/11 AND THE LONGEST WAR IN AMERICAN HISTORY IS DEAD! HOW WILL WE GO ON?!

For those of you who mourn him or do anything les than laugh and dance, you can go and die in a hole.

This. 'MERICA FUCK YEAH! Honestly, Osama is one of the only people that I'd feel comfortable partying about the death of. The "man" is a mass murderer and unworthy of compassion or any sort of respect. If I were a member of that navy SEALs team then hell, there might not have been enough of him left to identify him by. I hope they leave his body out unprotected in the middle of a desert. He doesn't even deserve a proper burial. Sorry I'm getting so worked up about this but for people to do anything but celebrate the fact that there is one less unquestionably evil being on the earth is nothing short of insane. I mean there are so few people that are 100% undeniably evil, just let us celebrate the death of this monster in peace and don't be a dick about killing our buzz.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

Actually Iran hates Al Qaueda almost as much as we do.

Talked to any Iranians recently?

Also is the celebration not understandable? The man was responsible for the first foreign attack on American soil in almost two hundred years and is the mastermind behind the deaths of over three thousand unsuspecting civilians. Sure a perfect person supposed to immediately forgive anyone anywhere ever no matter what they had done but no one is perfect and you guys might want to step off your high horses for a second and think about the positions of those you are so quick to dismiss.

First of all, I'm not saying I forgive him.
Secondly, I'd be a lot happier knowing that Al-Queda is dismantled rather than just removing a figurehead.
Thirdly, this is Harry Waizer's (An American) statement to the American people

Spoiler: Long, rather disturbing account

Statement of Harry Waizer to the
National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States
March 31, 2003

Governor Kean, members of the Commission, thank you for asking me to speak before you today. My experience of 9/11differs from yours and that of the general public. As this nation and much of the world watched in shock and horror on 9/11, as events unfolded at the World Trade Center, at the Pentagon and in the air over the farmlands of Pennsylvania, I was otherwise engaged, battling for my life. If hearing my personal story can help this Commission fulfill its important task, I will gladly tell it.

On September 11, at approximately 8:46 in the morning, I was in an elevator, somewhere between the 78th and 101st floor, in tower 1 of the World Trade Center. I had left my wife, Karen, and our three children, Katie then age 13, Joshua age 12 and Jodi age 10 at about 7:15 that morning and was on my way to my offices on the 104th floor, where I was employed as Vice President and Tax Counsel in charge of national and international tax matters for Cantor Fitzgerald.

The elevator was ascending when, suddenly, I felt it rocked by an explosion, and then felt it plummeting. Orange, streaming sparks were apparent through the gaps in the doors at the sides of the elevator as the elevator scraped the walls of the shaft. The elevator burst into flame. I began to beat at the flames, burning my hands, arms and legs in the process. The flames went out, but I was hit in the face and neck by a separate fireball that came through the gap in the side of the elevator doors. The elevator came to a stop on the 78th floor, the doors opened, and I jumped out.

I began the long walk down 78 flights in the fire stairwell. I walked focused on my single mission; to get to the street and find an ambulance. I knew I was seriously hurt. The stairwell was filled with people calmly walking down, with no apparent sense of the magnitude of what had just occurred. I was shouting out to people in the stairwell, telling them I was burned, asking them to step aside so that I could get down more quickly. Faces turned toward me, sometimes with apparent annoyance at this intrusion on the orderly evacuation process. I saw the look on many of those faces turn to sympathy or horror as they saw me. At one point I noticed a large flap of skin hanging off my arm. I did not look any further.

Somewhere on the way down, I believe around the 50th floor, I met a man who appeared to be either a firefighter or Emergency Medical Technician walking up. He stopped, turned around, and walked in front of me, leading me down. We made it to the lobby and walked 2 blocks to find an empty ambulance, which took me to the Burn Center at New York Presbyterian Hospital. I stayed conscious only long enough to give them my name and my wife's phone number.

I have no memories after that until some 6 or 7 weeks later; I spent that period in a state of induced coma, but I can offer a second hand account of some of the more important personal events. I was triaged at the hospital, where they took my clothes, wallet, watch and glasses, none of which I ever saw again. They began to cut off my wedding band from my badly burned fingers, but a sympathetic nurse used an entire jar of lubricant to remove it intact and saved it for my wife. Karen has worn that ring on a chain around her neck since then, saving it for the day when I can wear it on my finger again.

As the world watched with horror as the events of that morning unfolded, Karen began receiving phone calls from friends and relatives. She tried to call me and then waited, with fading hope, for me to call her. Friends and family gathered at my home to offer her hope and, if the worst happened, comfort. My two older children, having heard of the attack called home and were allowed to come home. My 10 year old daughter remained in school, unaware. At 12:30 the nurse was finally able to call Karen, who took the call in our kitchen and passed the news on to the others that I was alive. Screams and tears of joy filled the room. But as one nightmare ended for her, another was to begin.

Karen had no idea how seriously I had been injured. She was unable to reach me at the hospital until almost 8 o'clock that evening. When Karen first saw me that night, I was not recognizable. My head was swollen almost to basketball size, the rest of my body had similarly swelled and my features were either covered by bandages or so blackened and distorted as to be unidentifiable. It was only the ring that gave her any comfort that the swollen, misshapen body lying in that hospital bed was in fact her husband. The doctors explained to Karen the nature and severity of my injuries. I was particularly at risk because the fireball in my face had seared my windpipe and lungs and I had inhaled a large amount of jet fuel, leaving me particularly prone to life threatening infections. I have since been told that my chances of survival at that moment were roughly five percent.

That night began a 7 week roller coaster ride for Karen, friends and family. I would appear to be recovering one day and be diagnosed with a highly dangerous infection the next. I underwent multiple surgeries to graft new skin on my hands, arms, face and neck, suffered a blood clot, a seizure, a partial lung collapse and a series of blood and lung infections. Karen's mother moved up from Delaware into our home to take care of our three children. Members of our local and synagogue communities delivered dinner to our home and drove our children to their various activities. Friends and family member accompanied Karen to the hospital every day. Mine was not just a personal struggle, it was shared by family and community.

After five months of hospitalization, multiple surgeries, a year and a half, and counting, of painful, sometimes grueling, therapy, I am here today to bear witness. My injuries have left me with lung damage, chronic pain in my right elbow, my left knee and my back, damage to my vocal cords and the prognosis for the nerve and tendon damage in my left hand is still uncertain. But I can enjoy various activities, play with my children, and enjoy my time spent with my wife, with friends and family. I am one of the handful of lucky ones. Just blocks away from here lay the unrecovered remains of many friends and colleagues, some dear friends. They can no longer speak for themselves and I am left with the unchosen, unhappy task of trying to speak for them. I do this with no particular moral authority, but neither I nor they have a choice.

I have no rage about what happened on 9/11, only a deep sadness for the many innocent, worthy lives lost and the loved ones who lost so much that day. There have always been madmen, perhaps there always will be. They must be stopped, but with the cold detachment reserved by a surgeon for removing a cancer. They are not worthy of my rage. Neither do I feel anger at those who arguably could have foreseen, and thereby prevented, the tragedies. If there were mistakes, they were the mistakes of complacency, a complacency in which we all shared.

This commission can not turn back the hands of time. There is nothing to be gained by asserting blame, by pointing fingers. The dead will remain dead despite this commission's best efforts and intentions. But it is my hope that this commission can learn and teach us from its scrutiny of the past, and if the findings of this commission can prevent even one future 9/11, if they can forestall even one plan of Osama bin Laden, prevent even one more act of madness and horror, I and the rest of this nation will owe the commission our gratitude, and I will be proud of the small part I was allowed to play today.

I do have one concern I would like to voice. I have no political experience, but I do have experience as an informed citizen. It tells me that commissions such as this are usually formed by men and women of good will, have committed, intelligent members and staff possessed of good will, and eventually produce reports that are read carefully and seriously by others of good will. Yet the findings of such commissions are often ignored in the end. Compassion and concern are often spread thin, and other important issues become priorities after the glare of the public spotlight fades. My fear is that the work of this commission will have a similar fate. My hope is that by speaking to you today, by putting a human face on the tragedy that was 9/11, by attempting to speak, however inadequately, for those who no longer have voices, I can help further the cause of this commission and this nation, to help build a safer, more secure tomorrow for all of us, and that doing so will help bring peace for us and our children.

Thank you.

He received critical burns and severe lung damage in the WTC attack. After five months of hospitalization, multiple surgeries, and over a year and a half of painful, sometimes grueling, therapy, his recovery continues to progress. His injuries have left him with chronic pain in his right elbow, left knee and back, and the prognosis for nerve and tendon damage in his left hand is still uncertain.

He still isn't celebrating.

 

[Murais]

He was a terrible man, who did awful, malevolent things. He deserved death in almost every meaning of the word, and I am not afraid to say it.


That being said, celebrating murder is both loathsome and barbaric. It has no place in our modern world.

 

[Laxman9292]

Anyone celebrating should know than no cesspool in the world can hold you and all your hypocrisy conveys is that you are exactly the same as those "animals" living over in the Middle East.

I'm so sick of this argument.

I am better than any member of Al Qaeda. We are not "the same." There is no question about it. I have never, and will never, kill anyone.

We are all people, yes. But some people are monsters who murder others.

Simply because my country does morally questionable things- or even downright evil things- does not make me evil, anymore than it makes an innocent Pakistani evil. And it does not make me feel guilty about being glad that a piece of shit like Osama is dead.

To everyone else-

Fuck political correctness. If you typed "well, I can understand why people are relieved, but celebrating isn't really the best option." If they have a right to be happy, they have a right to show it.

Keep telling yourself that. This is the kind of thinking that creates monsters.

Let me repeat:

CLEAR CUT MORAL VALUES ARE NECESSARY.

Morality is not based on situation.

People should just sigh about his death, a sigh of relief, and move on. That is all that is necessary.

If you are happy about a person's death at least part of you is a horrible person. You cannot justify being happy for the ending of anyone's life.

I justify it by not considering Bin Laden a person, rather as a despicable monster. What he did was murder innocent civilians for the sole purpose of causing terror. The fact that he is no longer in a position to inflict harm like this is a cause for celebration, as loud and as proud as you can be. And not just Americans, anyone who likes the idea that they can go to their job on any given day without being bombed by a radical like this. After all, until 2001, 9/11 was just another day on the job for thousands of WTC workers. I don't consider people in the middle east as animals, that's ignorant and you're ignorant for assuming I do. However, I do consider al qaeda animals and unworthy of mercy or any sort of human sentiments they clearly cannot reciprocate. Anyone willing to murder innocent civilians deserves to die, and I will say that without feeling sorry about that until I die.

 

[CG]

You guys are nuts. It's a celebration of a military victory against a monster, and a massive blow to the organization that we are AT WAR WITH. People celebrated when we won WWII, that's hardly any different from this.

 

[Elf Defiler Korgan]

Celebrating political assassination, people are strange. It is just murderers killing murderers.

 

[Silentwindofdoom]

A) Can we all jump off the bash America bandwagon please? As I recall my country never clubbed an aging Indian dude because we wanted him to pay extra for salt and we have never intentionally targeted civilians. A vast majority of civilian deaths in the war on terror were caused by terrorist and not coalition troops.

B) The United States has a congress composed of the house of representatives and a Senate. You might want to get your government institutions straight before hoping they get blown to hell.

The united states invaded Afghanistan and Iraq by choice, all the civilian deaths are on the heads of the united states government.

Yes lets ignore the guy who straps on the vest that has been loaded with Semtex and nails. Lets ignore the man in the cave with his own twisted vision of the Quran who tells him to push the button. And lets ignore everything other than the big country that everyone loves to hate. Everything is 100% the fault of the institution that I dislike for the sake of being edgy. That is totally fair.

Who is ignoring them? I'm sure not. I'm just saying that all the deaths resulting from the invasions of both Afghanistan and Iraq are the responsibility of the United States government.

I have no love for terrorists and Osama and his crew, but with a cost of thousands civilians dead to bring them to justice, this victory is hollow at best and not a victory at all at worst.

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

We shouldn't be having parties that's just disrespectful really, but we should be allowed to at least be happy that a mass murderer is no longer wandering around for sure.

 

[starkiller212]

He was still dangerous, and our intelligence and military managed to stop him before he caused any more harm. I like the Onion's take on it: http://www.theonion.com/articles/violent-death-of-human-being-terrific-news-for-onc,20294/

 

[Chelsea O'shea]

how many did you non-American users lose in the bombing of the trade center?
how can you tell us we have no right to celebrate the death of the one responsible?