Phasmal said:
elvor0 said:
My god. That comic actually reached critical mass levels of lampoon and sarcasm. I actually genuinely believed it had actually happened for a good few minutes there >< Tangently, should I feel ashamed for finding the cigar chomping one kind of cute?
On the actual topic at hand, having just read the article linked under the comic does raise some fair points, and the OP has missed that point. It's not about some elitist jerk juding you based on "geek cred" it's about /those/ sort of women that go to conventions, just so they can seek attention, because they imagine the stereotypical geek being there (which do exist), and feel empowered, because they KNOW that a lot of the men there will be infatuated with her being there. It's cruel and out of order as far as I'm concerned, you don't see me going to places where I envision underconfident, desperate women being just so I can feel superior.
That guy can say he's only talking about
those women, but every geek girl I know, including myself, has to put up with dudes assuming you are one of
those women and treating you like shit/giving you a quiz.
It's hard enough for lady gamers to be accepted, and pointing out a minority that may take advantage of the `attention` (which I put in quotations because honestly the type of attention I get for being female is not the `good` kind) only furthers this bloody useless stereotype.
Even if some people are there for attention and it bothers you, don't give it to them.
If other people do, that's entirely up to them.
TL;DR -
Those women aren't hurting you. This stereotype hurts real nerd-girls.
I suppose it depends on your experiences in life, I like to take a "get to know you" to everyone I meet, and like to think I'm tolerant and open minded to people I meet. But then, going from what you describe in your experiences, that would make someone like me the exception, rather than the rule. And you're right, those women drag some peoples expectations of genuinely nice people who are there for the same reasons everyone else is; to have a laugh and enjoy the celebration of what ever convention it is. We as "Geeks" should know better, I'm sure for a lot of us, we were outcast purely by what we liked, we have no business being nasty to people for no good reason, the elitist undercurrent that has developed in the culture I love, I completely abhore. But they are different sides of the same coin;
Let's say, we have an under confident boy who's at a convention and he keeps getting those girls come in, just to sucker up attention and milk some drinks from boys. Boy gets jaded about women and starts being precautious about women at convention. Extremely unfair to the women he meets, and he's been jaded by that, however, those women are also not very nice human beings who are taking advantage of people.
On the flip side, you're at a convention, you know you're a nice person, as your post shows (and I have no pretense to make any other assumptions, given I dont know you), and it leads to boys interrogating you about your supposed "geekiness", which makes you jaded about boys at conventions, and makes those boys horrible people.
I'm not actually sure what my final point is supposed to be now... erm, yeah... some people are cunts and ruin peoples views of certain groups due to their cuntish nature. That works.
RedEyesBlackGamer said:
elvor0 said:
RedEyesBlackGamer said:
elvor0 said:
My god. That comic actually reached critical mass levels of lampoon and sarcasm. I actually genuinely believed it had actually happened for a good few minutes there >< Tangently, should I feel ashamed for finding the cigar chomping one kind of cute?
On the actual topic at hand, having just read the article linked under the comic does raise some fair points, and the OP has missed that point. It's not about some elitist jerk juding you based on "geek cred" it's about /those/ sort of women that go to conventions, just so they can seek attention, because they imagine the stereotypical geek being there (which do exist), and feel empowered, because they KNOW that a lot of the men there will be infatuated with her being there. It's cruel and out of order as far as I'm concerned, you don't see me going to places where I envision underconfident, desperate women being just so I can feel superior.
I don't see that reason for going to be worth less than mine (basically socialize and nerdgasm over previews and such). Why is it worth less?
What going to a convention to sucker people into buying you drinks and stuff isn't cruel?
Maybe some people are going for attention and maybe some people are happy enough to give it to them. No one loses there except people getting worked up about them not being "real nerds/geeks".
This might get a little messy having conversations with two people so bear with me:
No, my point is people who go purely to take advantage of other people, like say for example: the hot girl who actually has no interest in being there, other than to milk drinks out of under confident men. That makes those specific people, not very nice human beings, if it were men doing it to women, I'd have the same opinion. I make no generalizations on all of women kind with my point, only against specific people who not only milk attention from people and take advantage of them, but people who are just as bad by quizzing /every/ girl they meet so that they may judge them, purely based on their gender.
Both people are bad, but I don't feel the "Booth babes need not apply" guy is being fairly looked on.
