Pachter: "Nintendo Is Doomed"

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It's true that Nintendo could lose the fight against Apple over handhelds.

People unfortunately want overly expensive phones that can play shitty games and run out of battery life so you can't call anyone, instead of a small cheap phone that simply works as intended AND a PSP or (3)DS that can play decent games.

I would want Nintendo to succeed with the 3DS, because it's an ambitious and good gaming device and that effort should be rewarded, but I'm not the average drooling consumer. People want shitty apps, instead of quality.
 

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SuperTrainStationH said:
All the shovelware on the Wii pretty much amounts to third parties looking at Wii Sports and Wii Fit, assuming that Nintendo put minimal effort into it just because its not a graphically intense, in depth adventure, and then assign their third string teams to cobble together a "Wii (noun/verb)" series wannabe. Then they start complaining when their game sells poorly and blame Nintendo for "dominating the market" with their own games.

I think Miyamoto actually said something to the effect of "Don't assume our Mii based games are just rubbish we slapped together. We put our top teams into those games, third parties have to do the same if you want to sell well.".
This needed quoting.
That's the great thing about the wii, it separated the lazy devs (like Ubisoft) from the smarter devs (like Grasshopper).
 

Adam Galli

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Nintendo isn't going anywhere. They've face lots of opposition in their 2+ decades of being in the market and they're still here.
 

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Nintendo pretty much defined the handheld market, does this man seriously know what he's talking about?
 

Jaker the Baker

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No. Mr. Reynolds of Zynga, you're not making "social games for everybody". I'm offended that you even call them "games" at all. They're programs designed to be addicting via a strict regimented reward system. All you're creating is ad-fuel. NINTENDO makes games. Not you.
 

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It was bound to happen, the only way I see Nintendo not be "doomed" is if they make another kind of handheld system and add more screens because we know all to well they love to do that.
 

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SuperTrainStationH said:
The only Wii game that Nintendo's put out that's genuinely lacking in quality or could be considered "bad", (besides Other M, but at least Team Ninja TRIED, it wasn't like they just didn't care) was Wii Music.

All the shovelware on the Wii pretty much amounts to third parties looking at Wii Sports and Wii Fit, assuming that Nintendo put minimal effort into it just because its not a graphically intense, in depth adventure, and then assign their third string teams to cobble together a "Wii (noun/verb)" series wannabe. Then they start complaining when their game sells poorly and blame Nintendo for "dominating the market" with their own games.

I think Miyamoto actually said something to the effect of "Don't assume our Mii based games are just rubbish we slapped together. We put our top teams into those games, third parties have to do the same if you want to sell well.".

That aside, "Nintendo is doomed" is pretty much par for the course whenever Nintendo's on the verge of their greatest success yet.
Well said.

Iwata's just ahead of the curve. As latecomers to the "casual boom", companies like EA just aren't understanding what's made the Wii and other big casual games successes. They think it's all about just pumping out crap tailored for people who don't play games.

Iwata realizes that casual gamers can be as discerning as the most "hardcore", they are only limited by their selection. That's why nobody is buying the shovelware on Wii, because they can buy good games instead.

Now, in a few areas, such as Zynga, some not-so-great game makers made it big with some not-so-great games. However, it's typically because they were in the right place at the right time, taking advantage of a situation nobody else was. It's probably safe to say that boat has sailed already, and if you want to compete now, then you're going to have to invest more money to fight for market share. Y'know, just like Iwata is saying.
 

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Irridium said:
Nintendo has been in business in the games industry for well over, what, 25 years? I think they'll be fine.
Sega has been in the business for 46 years. Look at them now...

Yes Nintendo is doing well now, this is the first time they've seen leading success in 3 console generations, long term saying Nintendo is doomed is a stretch, but they will not be as successful as they are now with home consoles at least. Handheld wise the iPhone/iPod touch is Nintendo's major competitor and are quickly catching up in sales. I personally think Nintendo's third party support (or lack there of) will hurt them long run.
 

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jpoon said:
I would definitely agree with Iwata about needing less of the bullshit social games and have the devs focus on making real games!
me too, its too bad that theres hundreds of millions of people playing those game who don't even think about it.
 

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The fact that it's Pachter saying that Nintendo is doomed, tells me to buy stock in Nintendo immediately, as it is going to prosper for all eternity.
 

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Garak73 said:
008Zulu said:
Garak73 said:
Besides, if that statement about success right after a disappointment were true then the Gamecube would have put them on top because the N64 was also a disappointment.
I thought the Gameboy Advanced was released between those two consoles.
The Game Boy series has always been successful but on the console side of things Nintendo had two bad generations back to back before the Wii put them back on top. Thing is, in the handheld area, they have always been on top.
Maybe I'm from some crazy alternate universe, but the N64 was a great console with a strong library of great games. Whoever says it was a failure? Compared to what? The PS1? PS1 was good, but it wasn't blowing the N64 away. It had better RPGs, N64 had better action. The Xbox wasn't out yet. Now the Sega Dreamcast was a pretty epic failure.
 

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It's all idle talk. The combined forces of Zynga and EA can't even begin to grasp how big of a force that Nintendo is in the industry.
 

Twilight_guy

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Well technically nothing last forever so everyone is doomed eventually but somehow I don't see Nintendo going down and the world of gaming post-Nintendo happening in the very near future. In the next decade or so... maybe. Still, the idea that low-cost social games will hurt the industry is like saying small scale painters selling their products locally are going to hurt the entire art world.

Mackheath said:
...Doomed? Nintendo?

He might as well say China will have a fair government by noon tommorow and the Moon is infact a Death Star.
*Goes outside to look at moon*
...wait... that's no moon!
 

Twilight_guy

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Garak73 said:
Twilight_guy said:
Well technically nothing last forever so everyone is doomed eventually but somehow I don't see Nintendo going down and the world of gaming post-Nintendo happening in the very near future. In the next decade or so... maybe. Still, the idea that low-cost social games will hurt the industry is like saying small scale painters selling their products locally are going to hurt the entire art world.

Mackheath said:
...Doomed? Nintendo?

He might as well say China will have a fair government by noon tommorow and the Moon is infact a Death Star.

*Goes outside to look at moon*
...wait... that's no moon!
..it's a space station...LOL

Anyway, the thing to remember here is that here in the US the industry did crash in 1983 and it was because of crappy, low quality games and consumers lost confidence. It can happen again and IMO social games are both crappy and low quality cash ins. Farmville is a low quality, crappy version of Harvest Moon, for example.
Not to burst your bubble, but the economic, social, and political environment of games has changed. Its now a billion dollar industry and a form of media consumed by millions of people. That's a long ways from where it was in 1983 and I don't think it can crash the same way.