And people said the irish were a bunch of whiners because of some news article about RDR. This just tips the scales
Pakistan Bans Facebook Over "Everybody Draw Mohammed Day"
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I was referring to the Islamist reaction to depictions of Mohammed in general, not this particular story. I suppose I should have mentioned that.Legion said:
IMO Facebook has lost a lot of respect, it should not be "blocking" anything at govermental/cultural request. What's more I believe people should be forcing information through because that's what the spread of ideas is all about. Just as I am against the idea of "national firewalls" I'm against this.
Scream if you want, but one bit of American rhetoric we should follow through on is to police things like this and prevent the blocking of information.
The entire stunt sort of falls flat if it doesn't reach the people it's directed at.
Ah well, I hope Anonymous is paying attention and decides to take the collection of images, hacks through any barriers, and pastes them all over the Muslim world in response, so you can't even call a local Mosque's website or order a new Turban without seeing 5 or 6 images of Mohammad looking back.... not only would it make an epic point, it would also generate the most epic lulz imaginable.
We can always hope, they did eventually get involved in the situation in Australia, and I like to think despite them (in their own words) not being a positive force, that they had a postive effect in getting rid of Atkinson, along with creating some second thoughts about the national firewall (which was their major purpose).
Scream if you want, but one bit of American rhetoric we should follow through on is to police things like this and prevent the blocking of information.
The entire stunt sort of falls flat if it doesn't reach the people it's directed at.
Ah well, I hope Anonymous is paying attention and decides to take the collection of images, hacks through any barriers, and pastes them all over the Muslim world in response, so you can't even call a local Mosque's website or order a new Turban without seeing 5 or 6 images of Mohammad looking back.... not only would it make an epic point, it would also generate the most epic lulz imaginable.
We can always hope, they did eventually get involved in the situation in Australia, and I like to think despite them (in their own words) not being a positive force, that they had a postive effect in getting rid of Atkinson, along with creating some second thoughts about the national firewall (which was their major purpose).
I agree with billion to an extent. Their beliefs should not have an entire country be blocked from a page.
I would do it in real life, and I have. Don't assume everyone is only a prick over the internet, because I enjoy being one in real life too XDCountArioch said:Are you kidding? You get 4 wives, who are allowed to be bisexual. Plus, their religion tells them to attend to your needs first before their own.Billion Backs said:
Granted, if you're a woman that sucks. As a man, I gotta say the Muslim version of love looks pretty darn good
And all the people who are screaming about "FREEDOM OF SPEECH I'LL DRAW MOHAMMED ALL I WANT RARGRARG" would be saying the same thing if they weren't anonymous. I am not trying to argue that people who think it's okay to kill other people over religious arguments isn't a problem, but I AM saying that the internet makes people 150% more gutsy then they would have been in real life.
Anything that can repel terror I gladly side with any day, any circumstance.
No one deserves to be threatened to death. Not even the most horrible of persons.
I'd be glad if this side would inspire more people to show that these ways of terror won't fucking do.
Seems it didn't inspire the most important of people though... A shame.
No one deserves to be threatened to death. Not even the most horrible of persons.
I'd be glad if this side would inspire more people to show that these ways of terror won't fucking do.
Seems it didn't inspire the most important of people though... A shame.
If I recall correctly, not only is Mohammed a sacred figure for the muslims, in a way like Moses for the Christians, but their religion also forbids them to attempt to recreate his image. Thus the aforementioned South Park episode and the consequent facebook nonsense directly insults the muslim believers. Feel free to correct me if you know the facts better.
That was the one side of the coin. The other side of the coin is that banning facebook for this sounds like a power play on the side of the Pakistan authorities, but also something inevitable if they want to keep face value. As for the different treatment of Pakistan and India, I'm going to be an optimist and say that India simply approached the problem differently, hence they get what they want without much fuss and social network limitations.
edit: And the death threats, believe it or not, those come from muslims that misunderstand the point of their religion. Islaam is in fact a peaceful religion, it's the way it can be interpreted that may lead to terrorism.
That was the one side of the coin. The other side of the coin is that banning facebook for this sounds like a power play on the side of the Pakistan authorities, but also something inevitable if they want to keep face value. As for the different treatment of Pakistan and India, I'm going to be an optimist and say that India simply approached the problem differently, hence they get what they want without much fuss and social network limitations.
edit: And the death threats, believe it or not, those come from muslims that misunderstand the point of their religion. Islaam is in fact a peaceful religion, it's the way it can be interpreted that may lead to terrorism.
So what if in real life more people would be too afraid to express themselves? How is it any better? Internet is a great thing because it makes it harder to terrorize the speaker into accepting one's ideology, whatever it might be.CountArioch said:Are you kidding? You get 4 wives, who are allowed to be bisexual. Plus, their religion tells them to attend to your needs first before their own.Billion Backs said:
Granted, if you're a woman that sucks. As a man, I gotta say the Muslim version of love looks pretty darn good
And all the people who are screaming about "FREEDOM OF SPEECH I'LL DRAW MOHAMMED ALL I WANT RARGRARG" would be saying the same thing if they weren't anonymous. I am not trying to argue that people who think it's okay to kill other people over religious arguments isn't a problem, but I AM saying that the internet makes people 150% more gutsy then they would have been in real life.
That should be seen as a GOOD thing, not something to make fun of. Technology allowed us to transcend some of the restrictions certain dominating ideologies have exerted upon us. (And do consider the fact that just about every monotheistic religion has something along the lines of "Kill all the unbelievers", whether followers accept it or not. Islam, Christianity, not 100% on Judaism although it seems likely) It allows people to speak out against the bully, to rally a movement instead of being beat down in fetal position before they could gain momentum.
Also, less seriously, I fucking love pork. And don't think any religion or ideology should have anything to say on how many people you choose to live with and fuck as long as they agree... But then again, that last part doesn't really matter when it comes to Islam and the way they treat women.
So you think that the opinions of one group of people should be censored for the sake of convenience? That is one slippery slope you are on the edge of.SteelStallion said:
They have computers in Pakistan???
Seriously though, that's the problem with the WORLD wide web. It's a single entity that blankets many regions with different ideologies. It seems that it has fallen upon the lowest common denominator to dictate the ideas and corporations are bending over backwards to comply because it's technically a "nitche" market.
Seriously though, that's the problem with the WORLD wide web. It's a single entity that blankets many regions with different ideologies. It seems that it has fallen upon the lowest common denominator to dictate the ideas and corporations are bending over backwards to comply because it's technically a "nitche" market.
Yes, Israel - that Jewish state. They really get upset over people making fun of Christ.Jaredin said:
Also: Facebook do take down groups if they think it's going to cause them loads of trouble (read: lawsuit). My friends made a group called 'Fuck Shia LaBoeuf' and it got taken down for inflammatory attacks against a person. I would have thought this group would count as an inflammatory attack against a notoriously touchy faith. Weird they're sitting on their high horse about it.
There's nothing in the Bible about not being able to make images of the holy gardener or the man Mary cheated with to make him. Only in Islam is there such a restriction, the problem is that the fringe of the Muslim religion is far more reactionary and violent than the fringes of other religions worldwide, hopefully, as with the other Abrahamic sects they will mellow out over time.Phoenixlight said:
Exactly. Also, other religions tend to marginalize their extremists. There is a reason the Westboro Baptist Church is almost universally looked upon with scorn. In Islam, however, the nutjobs are running the asylum... and some of the countries.asinann said:
Here, I'll make it simple for you:
This is why Indian authorities requested that the page be blocked there. So take it up with them, not Facebok.
India is a secular country with Hindu majority at about 80% of the total population and Muslims being the largest religious minority with about 13% of the population. Pakistan, on the other hand, is an Islamic country with 97% population being Muslim, and only about 1.8% Hindus. Diplomatic relations between the two are defined by the history of the violent partition of British India into these two states, and numerous military conflicts and territorial disputes thereafter, with displaced populations on both sides.
This is why Indian authorities requested that the page be blocked there. So take it up with them, not Facebok.
