Penn Jillette Speaks Out on RapeLay

[asinann]

Hey genius...this is an INTER-ACTIVE rape game. Quite a bit different from watching something on a movie screen. Use your head.

Good job, are you also for the banning of violent games? That's the argument used to try and ban them.

 

[sisterblues]

Always believed Penn Jillette was a wise man, and today he continues to promote that belief in me.

Would I rape someone? No.

Femnazis, Woman's Lib'tards, or just your run-of-the-mill man-hating bitches love to promote the idea that men are ruled by what's between their legs. It's just not true. Long gone are the days a man had to club a woman over the head and drag her back into his cave in order to procreate. We have civilized beliefs, morals, and laws; all of which have a stronger hold over us than a raging hard-on. For the average man, it's going to take a hell of a lot more than a video game simulating rape to convince him of doing something he knows is wrong. Yes there are rapists out there, but they are not as plentiful as the media would have you believe, and its not video games or pornography that made them as such. They are simply fucked-up in the head.

It's even scientifically detectable, or so I've been lead to believe. From articles I read, when hooked up to a brain scanner (EEG or similar devices), they can monitor certain parts of the brain lighting up when the subject of rape comes up. In a normal person, it lights up, in a potential rapist, it doesn't. The reasoning is that things like rape, murder, torture, or such, trigger thought responses because the subject considers the word and act to be, for lack of a better word, "bad". But in a mentally deranged person, the word "Rape" triggers no response. It is as if the word were "Potato" or "Spoon". Just a word like any other, with no subconscious acknowledgment of taboo or wrongness.

And I side with Penn on thought-crime. There is a world of difference between me thinking of killing someone, and actually wanting to kill someone. And there is a world of difference between wanting to kill someone, and plotting to kill someone. Let us not forget the world of difference between the plotting, and actually DOING such a thing. Three worlds apart are the thought of murder and the act. By the time you begin plotting to do something wrong, I would say you have crossed the line, but it is not until the attempt is made that I'd consider anything a crime.

Still not getting it Einstein. Nice language, by the way. Shows your intelligence.

 

[Jennacide]

Somehow I cannot respect someone who condones the use of inter-active rape games. Something stinks there and I think it's Mr. Jillette's logic. Rape is often way more heinous crime than murder, just ask the women in DRC if they would rather be gang-raped or killed. You'll get your answer LOUD and clear. This is not censorship, contrary to those who leap to the defense of the piece of lurid vile garbage RapeLay is. It normalizes sexual violence not only against women, but against girls and little virgin girls. Come now. We are in the modern world here. What kind of Cavedweller would enjoy being "entertained" by participating in such disgusting games? If this game involved a pedophile who stalked and raped a father and his two young sons, how long do you think it would have lasted? As you can see, nobody has considered creating a game like that. You might want to think about why that is. And if you have brains, the answer should be obvious. If not, well, wish I could say I feel sorry for you but I wouldn't waste my time. Grow up.

First of all, you're talking about the Japanese erotic game industry. The example you have given is in exsistance somewhere, long before you thought that up. Sad, but true.

What Mr. Gilette is trying to say I very much agree with. The 'cavedwellers' that would want to play this are generally going to be from one of two categories. The curious, who aren't about to be pushed over the edge, and the extremes that are already far over the edge. His point is simple, people should not try to make knee jerk censorship moves in fear of something, of any subject matter, thinking it will cause people to suddenly take it up. I have more faith in people than that. Maybe it's misguided faith, but I'd rather be misguided than live in fear every day of my life of what may or may not happen at the behest of videogames. I don't believe for one second games make anyone violent, why should I believe it would make anyone a rapist?

The mentally unstable are just that, they don't need a catalyst to set them off sadly. Censorship is going to change a thing.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

Having said that, I don't know what you quantify as 'realistic'.

Nail. Head. What exactly is "realistic" sex?

Until we can make that forthcoming, perhaps we shouldn't demand the rights for nonconsensual sex.

Penn usually has some good ideas, but occasionally (like on the Firearms debate: "We need guns to overthrow the Government" : I'm sorry, what?????), he disappears up his own idea chute.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

Sexual violence of any kind is the worst act humankind has come up with to date.

How I wish that was true.

Blocking this means we don't even go further than that.

 

[Nazrel]

If this game involved a pedophile who stalked and raped a father and his two young sons, how long do you think it would have lasted? As you can see, nobody has considered creating a game like that. You might want to think about why that is. And if you have brains, the answer should be obvious. If not, well, wish I could say I feel sorry for you but I wouldn't waste my time. Grow up.

I think games like that do exist.

 

[sisterblues]

Hey genius...this is an INTER-ACTIVE rape game. Quite a bit different from watching something on a movie screen. Use your head.

Good job, are you also for the banning of violent games? That's the argument used to try and ban them.

I think they are pretty juvenile and asinine actually, but once you look at the sexual violence that is perpetrated on women all over the world and I mean ALL OVER, it seems hideous and sickening to think that someone would enjoy victimizing a young virgin girl that way, bloodying her, impregnating her. To think that people get their kicks out of that is just too depressing. It's a huge difference from figures shooting at each other and going to war with swords and crap like that. A huge difference. If you think that the killing done in war is murder, and that murder is wrong, then why don't you get your ass out there and protest the wars instead of holing up in your little rooms and play-acting.

 

[TsunamiWombat]

I think he has a point. I also like to point out that it's a slippery slope to start banning things for moral reasons.

Having said that, I don't know what you quantify as 'realistic'.

Nail. Head. What exactly is "realistic" sex?

Until we can make that forthcoming, perhaps we shouldn't demand the rights for nonconsensual sex.

Penn usually has some good ideas, but occasionally (like on the Firearms debate: "We need guns to overthrow the Government" : I'm sorry, what?????), he disappears up his own idea chute.

Thats why the 2nd ammendment exists. The Founding Fathers realized corruption could come further down the road and really didn't expect democracy to work, so they gave the citizens the right to bear arms so they could overthrow a tyrranical government if it came to it. Obviously doing things through due process is better, but after living 8 years under president Bush I wondered once or twice...

PS: I am a devout christian (AND A LIBERAL!) and I approved this message.

 

[brabz]

Still not getting it Einstein. Nice language, by the way. Shows your intelligence.

You joined for this particular topic and continue to lambast the board for having their own opinions. They're not your own, and you have to speak down and act as though we're all cretins?

Here's an oldie, but a goodie: "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle

Try making your points without name-calling or being rude, it goes a lot further.

 

[Ghostkai]

Agreed.[/quote]

Murder is a worse crime than rape, after all.

Tell that to a rape victim.

Being murdered doesn't leave you horrifically traumatised.

 

[cobrausn]

Penn usually has some good ideas, but occasionally (like on the Firearms debate: "We need guns to overthrow the Government" : I'm sorry, what?????), he disappears up his own idea chute.

Hey I could agree with that. It's not often a government forms itself with the clause in it's founding documents that if it ever fucks up too much to go ahead and take them out. =P

 

[FoxParadox]

Murder is a worse crime than rape, after all.

May I ask why? I fail to understand your point of view.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

I think he has a point. I also like to point out that it's a slippery slope to start banning things for moral reasons.

Like smoking?

 

[sisterblues]

Somehow I cannot respect someone who condones the use of inter-active rape games. Something stinks there and I think it's Mr. Jillette's logic. Rape is often way more heinous crime than murder, just ask the women in DRC if they would rather be gang-raped or killed. You'll get your answer LOUD and clear. This is not censorship, contrary to those who leap to the defense of the piece of lurid vile garbage RapeLay is. It normalizes sexual violence not only against women, but against girls and little virgin girls. Come now. We are in the modern world here. What kind of Cavedweller would enjoy being "entertained" by participating in such disgusting games? If this game involved a pedophile who stalked and raped a father and his two young sons, how long do you think it would have lasted? As you can see, nobody has considered creating a game like that. You might want to think about why that is. And if you have brains, the answer should be obvious. If not, well, wish I could say I feel sorry for you but I wouldn't waste my time. Grow up.

First of all, you're talking about the Japanese erotic game industry. The example you have given is in exsistance somewhere, long before you thought that up. Sad, but true.

What Mr. Gilette is trying to say I very much agree with. The 'cavedwellers' that would want to play this are generally going to be from one of two categories. The curious, who aren't about to be pushed over the edge, and the extremes that are already far over the edge. His point is simple, people should not try to make knee jerk censorship moves in fear of something, of any subject matter, thinking it will cause people to suddenly take it up. I have more faith in people than that. Maybe it's misguided faith, but I'd rather be misguided than live in fear every day of my life of what may or may not happen at the behest of videogames. I don't believe for one second games make anyone violent, why should I believe it would make anyone a rapist?

The mentally unstable are just that, they don't need a catalyst to set them off sadly. Censorship is going to change a thing.

What on earth makes you think this is knee-jerk? How do you know what it is? You think that these groups just sit around thinking up ways to make men's lives miserable? If so then you've got a lot to learn. There are many many good people in this world. You are right about that. But there are just as many cruel, sadistic, sociopaths too. It's hard to have faith when you read about what has happened in DRC or Darfur or Bosnia. Rape camps. Now that must have been fun. Anyway, it isn't about being mentally unstable or not, the campaign is about Japan's acceptance of unacceptable sexual violence. There have been some changes in the law (read the group's website) but the Japanese groups know it's not enough. It is going to take a government effort behind educating - from grade school on - that women are equal to men, in all ways, and should never be objectified and used for their pleasure. An inter-active rape game like RapeLay normalizes sexual violence against girls and women - hey look, isn't this a thrill we can do this and try to feel what it might be like. You don't think that normalizes the act of rape? Think about it.

 

[Andy Chalk]

Being murdered doesn't leave you horrifically traumatised.

Not to downplay the impact of rape but I suspect that suffering an untimely, violent death at the hands of another person is pretty traumatic.

 

[sisterblues]

If this game involved a pedophile who stalked and raped a father and his two young sons, how long do you think it would have lasted? As you can see, nobody has considered creating a game like that. You might want to think about why that is. And if you have brains, the answer should be obvious. If not, well, wish I could say I feel sorry for you but I wouldn't waste my time. Grow up.

I think games like that do exist.

I have heard that one did exist but has not been sold for a long time. It is apparently available on the internet to download for the sick bastards that want it. But no, it is not being commercially distributed and wasn't for very long anyway.

 

[sisterblues]

Still not getting it Einstein. Nice language, by the way. Shows your intelligence.

You joined for this particular topic and continue to lambast the board for having their own opinions. They're not your own, and you have to speak down and act as though we're all cretins?

Here's an oldie, but a goodie: "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle

Try making your points without name-calling or being rude, it goes a lot further.

you should take your own advice pal. nice double standard

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

Thats why the 2nd ammendment exists. The Founding Fathers realized corruption could come further down the road and really didn't expect democracy to work, so they gave the citizens the right to bear arms so they could overthrow a tyrranical government if it came to it. Obviously doing things through due process is better, but after living 8 years under president Bush I wondered once or twice...

Penn usually has some good ideas, but occasionally (like on the Firearms debate: "We need guns to overthrow the Government" : I'm sorry, what?????), he disappears up his own idea chute.

Hey I could agree with that. It's not often a government forms itself with the clause in it's founding documents that if it ever fucks up too much to go ahead and take them out. =P

So Lee Harvey Oswald was just using his Second Amendment right? Is that what you're saying?

 

[Onyx Oblivion]

Murder is a worse crime than rape, after all.

May I ask why? I fail to understand your point of view.

Well, personally, I'd rather suffer extreme mental anguish than be dead. But other's opinions of which fate is worse may differ.

You can overcome psychological trauma with help, but you can't come back from being murdered.

 

[sisterblues]

Murder is a worse crime than rape, after all.

May I ask why? I fail to understand your point of view.

Well, personally, I'd rather suffer extreme mental anguish than be dead. But other's opinions of which fate is worse may differ.

You can overcome psychological trauma with help, but you can't come back from being murdered.

Do you speak from personal experience? Personal experience of being raped?