PETA Tries to Guilt Animals Out of Mafia Wars

[CD-R]

Fuck PETA, bunch of morons. Don't forget to mention that PETA kills a shit-ton of furry little animals themselves every year, hypocrites.

http://www.petakillsanimals.com/petasdirtysecret.cfm

Maybe it's because PeTA's more concerned with animal suffering than it is with "oh my gosh, animals are so fluffy and cute!"? PeTA stands for People for Ethical Treatment of Animals. Euthanasia of animals that won't be adopted, can't be released into the wild, and will only continue to suffer is not inconsistent with PeTA's ethical views. It's not so much hypocrisy as you misunderstanding their prime concern.

Besides, Ad Hominem Tu Quoque [http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ad-hominem-tu-quoque.html]. Irrelevant (alleged) hypocrisy does not invalidate arguments someone makes.

Read the site they kill more animals than state run animal shelters. It's not that they euthanize the animals that's the problem. It's that they make no attempt to find homes for them.

I think you are confusing animal welfare with animal rights. Animal welfare means ensuring that animals are kept, clean fed,watered, and healthy in a stress free environment free from abuse. Animal rights means granting animals similar rights that human share. In other words completely eliminate the commercial use of animals. That includes food, pets, sports and medical research.

 

[Zani]

I can respect their overall goal, which is to treat animals well. But how they pursue it... thats a little questionable.

Their goal is "total animal liberation", it isn't something wishy washy as making everyone treat animals well and the way they pursue isn't only questionable, it's downright disgusting, they condone violence and terrorist acts to "liberate" animals, besides that they're hypocrites, one of the top ranking PETA officials (I forgot her name) is a diabetic and there for needs insulin, which is from both animals and animal research.

Besides they euthanizes roughly 2/3 of all the animals they receive, without putting effort into the animal's treatment, just goes to show that they're hypocritical evil assholes.

 

[thegoldenwang]

oh peta what idiotic excuse will you make up next time. ban zoo tycoon because you can actually make animals uncomfortable in a tiny pen and throw some lions in there to eat them?. man i love a world where hippies have no power.

 

[Silver Patriot]

Isn't PETA just a bunch of hypocritical morons? That's what I always hear.

Eh. More or less.

I can respect their overall goal, which is to treat animals well. But how they pursue it... thats a little questionable.

Agreed. My girlfriend would love to join PETA if it were not for the fact that, quote, "It were full of crazies and dumbasses."

My question is what do they hope to accomplish? It just seems every PETA related news artical involves them doing something retarted and in the long run pointless. At this point I don't think I could take them seriously if they actually found a real problem. (and I know their are better problems out there.) Am I missing something? Does the news not report the good fights they fight just ones like these?

 

[ThrobbingEgo]

Fuck PETA, bunch of morons. Don't forget to mention that PETA kills a shit-ton of furry little animals themselves every year, hypocrites.

http://www.petakillsanimals.com/petasdirtysecret.cfm

Maybe it's because PeTA's more concerned with animal suffering than it is with "oh my gosh, animals are so fluffy and cute!"? PeTA stands for People for Ethical Treatment of Animals. Euthanasia of animals that won't be adopted, can't be released into the wild, and will only continue to suffer is not inconsistent with PeTA's ethical views. It's not so much hypocrisy as you misunderstanding their prime concern.

Besides, Ad Hominem Tu Quoque [http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ad-hominem-tu-quoque.html]. Irrelevant (alleged) hypocrisy does not invalidate arguments someone makes.

Read the site they kill more animals than state run animal shelters. It's not that they euthanize the animals that's the problem. It's that they make no attempt to find homes for them.

I think you are confusing animal welfare with animal rights. Animal welfare means ensuring that animals are kept, clean fed,watered, and healthy in a stress free environment free from abuse. Animal rights means granting animals similar rights that human share. In other words completely eliminate the commercial use of animals. That includes food, pets, sports and medical research.

Because it causes animals to suffer for frivolous reasons. That is, at least, what animal rights activist Peter Singer would have me believe. Believe me, I'm not confusing animal rights with animal wellfare. It's just that animal rights doesn't mean "animals are just like people," it means (or, at least one influential movement within Animal Rights activism suggests) we extend empathy towards animals because they can feel pain and suffer much like we can. That is not incompatable with euthanasia.

 

[dontcallmemuffin]

i love animals, but this is going overboard, a evil person will abuse an animal wether or not they play a game that shows animal cruelty.
if they love animals they should choose better methods. less anger and more reason, stuff like this is pushing people away who could do allot of good and attracting people who just want to cause some damage and be praised for it

 

[SextusMaximus]

Protest groups never have, and never will - to my knowledge - do more good then they have bad. They can't get the big jobs done like ACTUAL ANIMAL CRUELTY so instead appeal about pixelated animal cruelty.

 

[Lucane]

Note: I'm not currently, have been or willing never going to be a member of PeTA.

That said I can see thier point in trying an attempt to call for a cease and desist to the introduction of animals being benifical aids for criminals(artifial video game ones of course) that if attempted to be mimmicked in real life would result in the likely poor treatment of the animals in question. That of course meaning that some one would first have to play this social networking game and then become a moderately proficient gangster (Or vice versa.)thinking that the game is a cliff's notes to being your mob boss.

... No matter how you slice it, it's a video game. Any one who thinks it's a good idea to copy things they see in them isn't likely thinking on all cylinders meaning they'll either fail long before getting to point where they would need a guard beast or it's something there gonna do anyways.(Plus theres always Karma.)

However attempting to pull at the guys heartstrings after he lost a loved pet and trying to pain him with own dog is just sick to me, they're wrong but have a loosely valid reason.

 

[TheDrunkNinja]

Doing something productive and thinking that you're doing something productive are two entirely different things, PETA.

 

[Falseprophet]

I think you misunderstand what PeTA's trying to do. As I've already said, what they're doing isn't an attempt to shut down Mafia Wars because they think the game's going to cause animal violence. Mafia Wars' introduction of combat animals is appropriate for PeTA because it's a popular online game, and people who play the game will notice these kinds of headlines, and PeTA's got free publicity. This isn't about censoring Mafia Wars, it's about PeTA using the media coverage as a platform to talk about "bully breeds." It's smart activism, not ignorant censorship as you're mistaking it to be.

Well, but their letter is asking Pincus to remove elements from his game because they supposedly run counter to PETA beliefs. That is an attempt at censorship. If the campaign had been to lobby Pincus to, say, include a big donate button to their site, I would call that smart activism. Something like, "games can be fun, but in the real-world animals are abused by criminals for illegal purposes. Won't you think about the puppies and give generously here?"

 

[ThrobbingEgo]

Their goal is "total animal liberation", it isn't something wishy washy as making everyone treat animals well and the way they pursue isn't only questionable, it's downright disgusting, they condone violence and terrorist acts to "liberate" animals, besides that they're hypocrites, one of the top ranking PETA officials (I forgot her name) is a diabetic and there for needs insulin, which is from both animals and animal research.

Yeah, how dare the Animal Liberation suggest we stop using animals! It's not like we're penning them up for their whole lives, causing them to suffer for our own ends, and causing them both physical and psychological damage. Oh, wait...

And how dare diabetic animal rights activists use insulin, which allows them to live? Don't they know that the knowledge to produce insulin came from animal testing? I mean, sure, we don't use animals to produce synthetic insulin, and the use of synthetic insulin doesn't create more demand for animal testing, and the research was done in the 20s when there were few alternative methods of study... Hmm. And who cares if this has nothing to do with running IC50 and Draize tests on rabbits for floor cleaner, or putting dogs on plates that shock them until they stop fighting back for "science"?

Besides, it's not like hypocrisy is irrelevant to a person's argument. [http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ad-hominem-tu-quoque.html] What would this be then? Distraction from an issue?


Some people.

 

[ThrobbingEgo]

I think you misunderstand what PeTA's trying to do. As I've already said, what they're doing isn't an attempt to shut down Mafia Wars because they think the game's going to cause animal violence. Mafia Wars' introduction of combat animals is appropriate for PeTA because it's a popular online game, and people who play the game will notice these kinds of headlines, and PeTA's got free publicity. This isn't about censoring Mafia Wars, it's about PeTA using the media coverage as a platform to talk about "bully breeds." It's smart activism, not ignorant censorship as you're mistaking it to be.

Well, but their letter is asking Pincus to remove elements from his game because they supposedly run counter to PETA beliefs. That is an attempt at censorship. If the campaign had been to lobby Pincus to, say, include a big donate button to their site, I would call that smart activism. Something like, "games can be fun, but in the real-world animals are abused by criminals for illegal purposes. Won't you think about the puppies and give generously here?"

The letter got media attention. PeTA isn't interested in getting donations from him and his audience (I'd wager that a bulk of the donations they receive goes towards their media efforts), they're interested in using the media attention as a platform to speak to Pincus' audience. PeTA gets free publicity on news channels, and Pincus will draw a line between his game and reality, condemning real cases of weaponizing animals in the process. PeTA doesn't have to censor anything and, as I've said, I don't think they're trying to.

Take a media studies course. Learn about PR and propaganda. (Seriously, these kinds of classes are amazing!) What PeTA's doing is shrewd, but it's textbook stuff.

 

[CD-R]

PETA is one of the most bat-shit crazy organisations on earth, they even give the 'Church' of Scientology (all hail Xenu! i do a mean L.Ron Hubbard impression) a run for their money in terms of seer balls-to-the-wall crazyness.

Their idiocy even extends to the gaming world. Ever since that cooking mama debacle. Yeah they made a REALLY uncomfortably weird pardoy of the game that demonised anyone who used any kind of animal product. This kind of over-zelous asshattery

This kind of over-zelous asshattery contributes to a serious problem of braindead to-fu eating, hemp waering, non shaving, unemployable retards attempting to disable our ability to carry out any kind of biological research.

PETA is an insane eco terrorist organisation filled with certifiable biggots, every time PETA does something stupid i will eat a different animal. Im up to Ostrich. Om nom nom.

I had an ostrich burger once. Didn't really care for it it had a weird aftertaste. Like almost like mayonnaise or something.

 

[Callate]

Dear PETA, Equality Now!, Mr. Jack Thompson (formerly esq.), et al.,

For the three million, five hundred thousand and sixty-seventh time:

Characters made entirely out of pixels do not really bleed. They do not really die. They cannot really be hurt. They have no feelings. They are not victims.

Your efforts to "protect" beings who do not exist make any work you do to help beings who do look laughable, as it sends the message that actual suffering of said beings does not hold a candle to you, personally, feeling bad about something.

At best, it looks like a shallow ploy for publicity. At worst, it undermines your ability to help the causes that you continually insist are your highest priority.

For the love of all that's good and holy, show both some common sense and some self-respect and KNOCK IT OFF!

Sincerely,

A long-time consumer of electronic entertainment

 

[Zani]

Their goal is "total animal liberation", it isn't something wishy washy as making everyone treat animals well and the way they pursue isn't only questionable, it's downright disgusting, they condone violence and terrorist acts to "liberate" animals, besides that they're hypocrites, one of the top ranking PETA officials (I forgot her name) is a diabetic and there for needs insulin, which is from both animals and animal research.

Yeah, how dare the Animal Liberation suggest we stop using animals! It's not like we're penning them up for their whole lives, causing them to suffer for our own ends, and causing them both physical and psychological damage. Oh, wait...

And how dare diabetic animal rights activists use insulin, which allows them to live? Don't they know that the knowledge to produce insulin came from animal testing? I mean, sure, we don't use animals to produce synthetic insulin, and the use of synthetic insulin doesn't create more demand for animal testing, and the research was done in the 20s when there were few alternative methods of study... Hmm. And who cares if this has nothing to do with running IC50 and Draize tests on rabbits for floor cleaner, or putting dogs on plates that shock them until they stop fighting back for "science"?

Besides, it's not like hypocrisy is irrelevant to a person's argument. [http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ad-hominem-tu-quoque.html] What would this be then? Distraction from an issue?


Some people.

Oh! A PETA representative! I'm going to presume you're a vegetarian, judging from your first paragraph. Yes, it's true we have to exploit animals to make a living and obtain more food and of course I want to see the animals who are being 'penned up for their whole lives' have a better life but really, it won't happen on a global scale, ever.

And I see you also want to stop animal testing, but that would cost millions, if not more, of human lives instead of sacrificing 'a few' animals, it's the lesser of two evils, if we abolished animal medical testing we might as well throw medical science out of the window since it would almost completely come to a halt.

And please stop being so fucking condesending.

Some people.

 

[dalek sec]

When will PeTA learn that no one gives a fuck what they have to say, not since they started funding terrorists and making disgusting comparisons to the Holocaust. Those sick fucks.

This, I've always felt that these people need to placed on a federal watch list for their actions, they're terrorists plain and simple.

 

[Enigmers]

What's the message they're trying to give, that virtual animals are worth more of their time than actual animals?

 

[ThrobbingEgo]

Their goal is "total animal liberation", it isn't something wishy washy as making everyone treat animals well and the way they pursue isn't only questionable, it's downright disgusting, they condone violence and terrorist acts to "liberate" animals, besides that they're hypocrites, one of the top ranking PETA officials (I forgot her name) is a diabetic and there for needs insulin, which is from both animals and animal research.

Yeah, how dare the Animal Liberation suggest we stop using animals! It's not like we're penning them up for their whole lives, causing them to suffer for our own ends, and causing them both physical and psychological damage. Oh, wait...

And how dare diabetic animal rights activists use insulin, which allows them to live? Don't they know that the knowledge to produce insulin came from animal testing? I mean, sure, we don't use animals to produce synthetic insulin, and the use of synthetic insulin doesn't create more demand for animal testing, and the research was done in the 20s when there were few alternative methods of study... Hmm. And who cares if this has nothing to do with running IC50 and Draize tests on rabbits for floor cleaner, or putting dogs on plates that shock them until they stop fighting back for "science"?

Besides, it's not like hypocrisy is irrelevant to a person's argument. [http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ad-hominem-tu-quoque.html] What would this be then? Distraction from an issue?


Some people.

Oh! A PETA representative! I'm going to presume you're a vegetarian, judging from your first paragraph. Yes, it's true we have to exploit animals to make a living and obtain more food and of course I want to see the animals who are being 'penned up for their whole lives' have a better life but really, it won't happen on a global scale, ever.

And I see you also want to stop animal testing, but that would cost millions, if not more, of human lives instead of sacrificing 'a few' animals, it's the lesser of two evils, if we abolished animal medical testing we might as well throw medical science out of the window since it would almost completely come to a halt.

And please stop being so fucking condesending.

Some people.

I'm not a PeTA representative, and I'm not a vegetarian (though I am looking into cooking vegan), but thanks for trying to set up a Circumstantial Ad Hominem [http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/circumstantial-ad-hominem.html] attack. Because really, even if I were a representative for PeTA or a vegetation, vegan, or a dedicated carnivore, that doesn't change the factual truth of anything I say. As it happens, I'm just someone who's actually read Animal Liberation.

We don't sacrifice "a few" animals to testing. We burn through thousands of animals per thousands of inane, useless, tests (100 million vertebrates, according to the BUAV). The majority of these are for things that don't contribute to human wellbeing, aside from the careers of a few researchers. No one needs to perform IC50 or Draize tests. We know what happens if an irritant gets in your eye and you're unable to blink it away. We know what happens when you drink floor cleaner. We don't need to know what happens when you drink Floor Cleaner Lite. For the tests that are actually relevant to saving lives of the terminally ill? Animal rights activists won't have as many problems with them, but the ones that require animal testing are few and far between. Surely far less than 100 million vertebrates.

It's the suffering of animals for frivolous purposes, like pleasure or career animal experimentation, that animal rights activists take issue with.

If I sound condescending, it's because I'm tired of your ignorant fallacy ridden attacks on something you haven't bothered to understand.

And please stop being so fucking condesending.

I'm afraid I'll have to stand by this poster with what they are saying. Be nice or let it go Ego.

I'll be "nice" when people stop passing off fallacies as arguments. "PeTA's always wrong because one of their higher-ups uses synthetic insulin" is a fallacy. It's bad reasoning, and anyone who seriously uses such reasoning deserves whatever ridicule they get.

(Additionally, I will remind you, that synthetic insulin does not contribute to a demand for the suffering of animals)