They only need to implement just enough to "keep honest men honest," as the saying goes. Anything more than that is a waste of resources.
Peter Dille Says PSP Piracy "Sickening"
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Well...so far the PSP-3000 has yet to be fully hacked, and it came out in what? October? If Sony can stay ahead of the game like that along with some firmware updates that could prevent this kind of stuff, then good for them. It really angers me when I see any system get pirated, but it REALLY pisses me off when it's the PSP because it really does feel like a double standard for some people. Custom firmware is great and unlocks tons of potential, but it also makes it that much easier to pirate games. This is why Sony frowns on it, now if Sony were to take some of the modding communities ideas and implement it into their firmware updates then that would be great, but alas this piracy problem is a blame shared by Sony and Consumers (well those who pirate).
So you're basically telling Sony to support piracy and people not actually buying the games in retailers to support the people who make the games? Regardless of if piracy actually harms developer or not, you're basically saying that it's alright to pirate on a PSP because apparently that's the only reason why it's alive.SuperFriendBFG said:
That's a pathetic excuse to justify piracy, I don't care if a company deserves it (EA supposedly) or if you're too damn cheap to buy the game or rent it, pirating on any platform is illegal and stupid.
So please explain to me, how the hell is Sony shooting themselves in the foot when they are trying to prevent piracy on their platform, which allegedly loses them money, and try to get people to actually buy the damn game in retailers or online stores? How the hell are they shooting themselves in the foot by trying to get people to do what they're supposed to do in the first place?
I don't care if you do use homebrew on a PSP or not, do whatever you want, but this stupid and pathetic excuse at justifying piracy on a platform that you clearly do not favor and want the company to sodomize themselves with a cactus is very arrogant when so many people are against piracy on PC. I'd buy a PSP right now if I could and buy all the games that I want for it and I don't even think about homebrew or pirating games.
Any amount of piracy, on any platform, for any game, is bad. How much it affects the actual game or industry, that is debatable, but you cannot justify stealing games on any platform.
I'll just repeat what I said elsewhere:
"If I get a crappy game, am I protected as the consumer, can I return it? I am warned upon purchasing a PC game that it is my fault if it doesn't work on my system and it is non-returnable...how is that fair? If it is bug ridden, unplayable or just a downright terrible game, I, as the consumer, am screwed.
"Pricing is a large issue however. If games were cheaper, people may feel less ripped off when they buy an otherwise terrible game, and won't immediately look for an alternative to purchasing another game. Or are you telling me that Stormrise is just as good as Fallout 3? Or that Big Rigs is a purchase I should be stuck with?
"Here's a secret for you: People pirate things because they can. They don't necessarily want said product, and nor would they necessarily have purchased the product if there were no piracy option. In a way, piracy "protects" the consumer from a shitty game they would otherwise have purchased and would be stuck with. Developers in this case count on consumer ignorance and no return polocies in order to sell their Big Movie Game Number 3 (see Transformers for a recent example). If someone pirated that, they would know this and probably would not have purchased it. Sure the developer loses out on some money, but when they are stealing from the customer in the first place, is that really wrong?"
and
"Or you could fix the reason why piracy exists in the first place: Developers, marketers and publishers taking advantage of consumer ignorance to expoit sales. Bashing people over the head with how "wrong" piracy is will only make them want to do it more, considering they feel it is "more wrong" to be ripped off by a company.
"Certainly piracy is too easy...compared to what the reverse entails. I get to spend money on the chance that the game that I am purchasing is a good gaming experience. And if it doesn't, I as a consumer, am hooped. Demos only work to some degree, if the demo is an accurate representation to the game, and if the demo is convenient.
"Truthfully, I think buying individual games is the wrong way to go. I think businesses should be looking at an alternate form of distribution that won't make consumers upset with them. Here's a quick thought: I buy a Playstation system, and I pay $50 a month to have access to ALL games on the system, with no additional costs required. The only downside I see to this is the overabundance of ads that will be bombarding my face, which is what stopped me from subscribing to T.V. anymore, but if done sensibly, it won't matter. Doing this gives the power to the consumer and eliminates Gamestop as a force to compete with.
"Games are too much money right now, so people turn to alternate sources to get their games. Games should not cost more than the $20-30 range. When Christmas comes again, and all of the "good" games are released all at once, it becomes a choice of "which game will I purchase and which will I obtain through alternate means" as a person can't afford to get all of the games that the manufacturers want us to buy. Sony wants us to buy all their great games. However when each one is $60+ dollars...people pick and choose a bit more carefully. If they were lower, there would be more impulse buys. People can justify picking up two or three or even more at a $20-30 price point than they can at $60, and that's why games are being pirated now.
"Convenience is what drives the consumer to do illegal things (see jailbreaking the iPod). Right now with no protection, I am better off as a consumer pirating than I am purchasing...and that's what's wrong."
"If I get a crappy game, am I protected as the consumer, can I return it? I am warned upon purchasing a PC game that it is my fault if it doesn't work on my system and it is non-returnable...how is that fair? If it is bug ridden, unplayable or just a downright terrible game, I, as the consumer, am screwed.
"Pricing is a large issue however. If games were cheaper, people may feel less ripped off when they buy an otherwise terrible game, and won't immediately look for an alternative to purchasing another game. Or are you telling me that Stormrise is just as good as Fallout 3? Or that Big Rigs is a purchase I should be stuck with?
"Here's a secret for you: People pirate things because they can. They don't necessarily want said product, and nor would they necessarily have purchased the product if there were no piracy option. In a way, piracy "protects" the consumer from a shitty game they would otherwise have purchased and would be stuck with. Developers in this case count on consumer ignorance and no return polocies in order to sell their Big Movie Game Number 3 (see Transformers for a recent example). If someone pirated that, they would know this and probably would not have purchased it. Sure the developer loses out on some money, but when they are stealing from the customer in the first place, is that really wrong?"
and
"Or you could fix the reason why piracy exists in the first place: Developers, marketers and publishers taking advantage of consumer ignorance to expoit sales. Bashing people over the head with how "wrong" piracy is will only make them want to do it more, considering they feel it is "more wrong" to be ripped off by a company.
"Certainly piracy is too easy...compared to what the reverse entails. I get to spend money on the chance that the game that I am purchasing is a good gaming experience. And if it doesn't, I as a consumer, am hooped. Demos only work to some degree, if the demo is an accurate representation to the game, and if the demo is convenient.
"Truthfully, I think buying individual games is the wrong way to go. I think businesses should be looking at an alternate form of distribution that won't make consumers upset with them. Here's a quick thought: I buy a Playstation system, and I pay $50 a month to have access to ALL games on the system, with no additional costs required. The only downside I see to this is the overabundance of ads that will be bombarding my face, which is what stopped me from subscribing to T.V. anymore, but if done sensibly, it won't matter. Doing this gives the power to the consumer and eliminates Gamestop as a force to compete with.
"Games are too much money right now, so people turn to alternate sources to get their games. Games should not cost more than the $20-30 range. When Christmas comes again, and all of the "good" games are released all at once, it becomes a choice of "which game will I purchase and which will I obtain through alternate means" as a person can't afford to get all of the games that the manufacturers want us to buy. Sony wants us to buy all their great games. However when each one is $60+ dollars...people pick and choose a bit more carefully. If they were lower, there would be more impulse buys. People can justify picking up two or three or even more at a $20-30 price point than they can at $60, and that's why games are being pirated now.
"Convenience is what drives the consumer to do illegal things (see jailbreaking the iPod). Right now with no protection, I am better off as a consumer pirating than I am purchasing...and that's what's wrong."
Jumplion, homebrew is not limited to just being able to make ISOs of UMDs and use a 3rd-party software to run the game. Homebrew unlocked 80%+ of the PSP capabilities in the form of interesting utilities that allow to replicate the PSP Screen on your PC, and other functions that would require using a PS3 otherwise. (SNES Emulators - It's up to you if you want to label emulator use as Illegal)Jumplion said:
Then, there is playing PSX games on the PSP which won't require that I purchase the same game I had already purchased, or even having to play till these classics, like the FM series are brought to the PlayStation Store.
Sony need to support 3rd-party software. They need to make note of why the iPhone's might get the better end of the gaming hand held medium. End of story.
Note: I DON'T HAVE A MODDED PSP.
The "crappy game" defense for pirating doesn't work here. You can rent PSP games.
The PSP is a crappy platform. The UMD is a disaster (slow, kills the battery, $20 for a movie WTF), way too bulky, and the games are 99% crap. I can count on 3 fingers how many games I really enjoyed on my PSP. I've had it for 4 years and most of that time its been collecting dust in my nightstand. Sony can blame poor sales on piracy all day long, but in the end it is their own fault for designing a fancy paperweight.
The PSP is a crappy platform. The UMD is a disaster (slow, kills the battery, $20 for a movie WTF), way too bulky, and the games are 99% crap. I can count on 3 fingers how many games I really enjoyed on my PSP. I've had it for 4 years and most of that time its been collecting dust in my nightstand. Sony can blame poor sales on piracy all day long, but in the end it is their own fault for designing a fancy paperweight.
I have to agree, I want a PSP just to get all the japanese fire emblems on a portable system, (and maybe I'll buy final fantasy tactics too)SuperFriendBFG said:
Heh nor do I, but I can live without that since I get plenty of use out of it with the games I got for it. And yes...if Sony allowed some third party apps, I could only imagine how much more amazing the system would be. But like I mentioned earlier, I think they are a tad timid on that because the second you mod a PSP, it makes it that much easier to pirate. One may not pirate but the opportunity is still there, so third party support can be a double edged sword as well. Either way the potential is there and it is up to Sony to tap into it.cainx10a said:Sony need to support 3rd-party software. They need to make note of why the iPhone's might get the better end of the gaming hand held medium. End of story.
Note: I DON'T HAVE A MODDED PSP.
Oh here we go. I would have let you slide if you didn't have your statement come across as fact. I'll leave it as short and simple because I grow weary of this. Everything you just said is entirely subjective, not fact.Kojiro ftt said:
From what I know, Homebrew is usually made to be able to play older games that you can't exactly find everywhere. I'm not sure if this is true or not, so don't quote me on this, but I think Sony has said that they were looking into doing something with the Homebrew community (but again, don't quote me on that).cainx10a said:Jumplion, homebrew is not limited to just being able to make ISOs of UMDs and use a 3rd-party software to run the game. Homebrew unlocked 80%+ of the PSP capabilities in the form of interesting utilities that allow to replicate the PSP Screen on your PC, and other functions that would require using a PS3 otherwise. (SNES Emulators - It's up to you if you want to label emulator use as Illegal)
Then, there is playing PSX games on the PSP which won't require that I purchase the same game I had already purchased, or even having to play till these classics, like the FM series are brought to the PlayStation Store.
Sony need to support 3rd-party software. They need to make note of why the iPhone's might get the better end of the gaming hand held medium. End of story.
Note: I DON'T HAVE A MODDED PSP.
But this isn't about the older games, this is about the newer legitimate games;
People hack their PSPs, no doubt about that, people hack everything. But from what I'm reading right now, because the PSP allegedly "sucks" Sony should encourage people to pirate their games and make no money off of anything. Because these people are a bunch of cheap asses, they think they're justified at pirating a game because they don't want to pay for it. There's a simple concept called saving up that should solve this whole problem.
Resistance Retribution for PSP on Amazon was $34.79 new when I checked.
Rythm Heaven for DS is $29.99 new.
$5 more expensive, no doubt, but a farcry from the $60 that some people are claiming.
Everyone is saying that because the PSP is apparently a "paperweight" and that it "has no games" and that it's "overpriced" and that it just plain "sucks" that is justifies them to download and do whatever the shit they want and that Sony shouldn't care. Of course they should care, it's their system and they are losing sales to piracy (or so they say).
I don't have a PSP, but I would like one as I could name 10 times more games I want for it than my current DS that I bought out of impulse, and I wouldn't use homebrew or anything. I'd just buy the games I want.
I'm sorry if I'm sounding brash everywhere, I'm just tense, and quite frankly I may have no idea what I'm talking about because I don't know too much about homebrew.
You are stating some very true statements, considering that even my college buddies' PSPs are modded for the #1 reason being, to download PSP games, and they usually give me this really weird expression when I tell them I actually buy my games.Jumplion said:From what I know, Homebrew is usually made to be able to play older games that you can't exactly find everywhere. I'm not sure if this is true or not, so don't quote me on this, but I think Sony has said that they were looking into doing something with the Homebrew community (but again, don't quote me on that).cainx10a said:Jumplion, homebrew is not limited to just being able to make ISOs of UMDs and use a 3rd-party software to run the game. Homebrew unlocked 80%+ of the PSP capabilities in the form of interesting utilities that allow to replicate the PSP Screen on your PC, and other functions that would require using a PS3 otherwise. (SNES Emulators - It's up to you if you want to label emulator use as Illegal)
Then, there is playing PSX games on the PSP which won't require that I purchase the same game I had already purchased, or even having to play till these classics, like the FM series are brought to the PlayStation Store.
Sony need to support 3rd-party software. They need to make note of why the iPhone's might get the better end of the gaming hand held medium. End of story.
Note: I DON'T HAVE A MODDED PSP.
But this isn't about the older games, this is about the newer legitimate games;
People hack their PSPs, no doubt about that, people hack everything. But from what I'm reading right now, because the PSP allegedly "sucks" Sony should encourage people to pirate their games and make no money off of anything. Because these people are a bunch of cheap asses, they think they're justified at pirating a game because they don't want to pay for it. There's a simple concept called saving up that should solve this whole problem.
Resistance Retribution for PSP on Amazon was $34.79 new when I checked.
Rythm Heaven for DS is $29.99 new.
$5 more expensive, no doubt, but a farcry from the $60 that some people are claiming.
Everyone is saying that because the PSP is apparently a "paperweight" and that it "has no games" and that it's "overpriced" and that it just plain "sucks" that is justifies them to download and do whatever the shit they want and that Sony shouldn't care. Of course they should care, it's their system and they are losing sales to piracy (or so they say).
I don't have a PSP, but I would like one as I could name 10 times more games I want for it than my current DS that I bought out of impulse, and I wouldn't use homebrew or anything. I'd just buy the games I want.
I'm sorry if I'm sounding brash everywhere, I'm just tense, and quite frankly I may have no idea what I'm talking about because I don't know too much about homebrew.
The PSP is not overpriced for what's it's capable of and it's "hidden" potential like I like to call it. And even for the DS, if it weren't for Pokemon and Front Mission (sad but true, reason I bought a ds), I don't have much use for it, compared to the number of hours I spent in Monster Hunter, Phantasy Star and the great library of games that the PSP have now.
Well, let's hope Sony may have some plans for legitimate 3rd-party utilities and apps.
Let's boil this down to a few simple facts:
I bought 4 games with my PSP, planning on playing them.
I hardly touched any of them.
I liberally pirate games for my PSP because it's cheap and convenient.
I buy the games that I pirate if I feel they are good enough.
There is only 1 game that I have pirated that I felt needed to be purchased.
The last game I downloaded for the PSP was over a year ago.
The best parts of the PSP is the emulators.
Playing a game from a memory card is always better than from a UMD
Always hearing about a good game getting pirated to death churns my stomach, and I hear that Resistance is a good game. I find it hard to care though when my PSP hasn't been used to run a PSP game in at least a year and a half. I spend a lot more time on it using it for videos and emulators. SNES, GBC, and PSX all have far better libraries than what the PSP itself has to offer. At this point, I feel the PSP is dead as a gaming system. Complaining about a good game on the PSP not getting purchased is like complaining about a good game on the Jaguar not selling well. It's sad, REALLY sad, but no one plays their PSP for PSP games anymore.
I bought 4 games with my PSP, planning on playing them.
I hardly touched any of them.
I liberally pirate games for my PSP because it's cheap and convenient.
I buy the games that I pirate if I feel they are good enough.
There is only 1 game that I have pirated that I felt needed to be purchased.
The last game I downloaded for the PSP was over a year ago.
The best parts of the PSP is the emulators.
Playing a game from a memory card is always better than from a UMD
Always hearing about a good game getting pirated to death churns my stomach, and I hear that Resistance is a good game. I find it hard to care though when my PSP hasn't been used to run a PSP game in at least a year and a half. I spend a lot more time on it using it for videos and emulators. SNES, GBC, and PSX all have far better libraries than what the PSP itself has to offer. At this point, I feel the PSP is dead as a gaming system. Complaining about a good game on the PSP not getting purchased is like complaining about a good game on the Jaguar not selling well. It's sad, REALLY sad, but no one plays their PSP for PSP games anymore.
Okay, let's see;Signa said:
According to Wikipedia, the Atari Jaguar sold a measly 250,000 units.
The PSP, by comparison, sold 50,000,000 or 50 million, about half of the DS today.
Please do not make generalizations on a user base, that's like me saying that people aren't using PS2s for playing games anymore. I know plenty of people who play their PSP's for games. And even if they didn't, so what? What is the problem for people to use their PSP for something other than games? Is it like an unwritten sin in handhelds or something?
"Thou shalt not do anything with thy handheld but gaming!"
It worked with the PS2, didn't it? A game player and a DVD player in one? I can guarantee you that thousands of people used a PS2 solely for DVDs
A homebrew application is essentially just about any application that's unsigned code i.e. not officially supported by those making the platform. While this usually also has the side effect of opening the door to piracy, there are also legitimate uses for this: drawing apps, trackers, music players, schedulers and all sorts of other things have been made for the DS as an example. Using hardware in a way that it was never meant to be used. Like this TBL demo [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWUnGFhaz9o] right here that's rendered realtime on a PSP.Jumplion said:
I think you might have just stepped on your own argument a little. If people aren't using their PSPs for PSP games anymore, then why would they care if a new PSP game was released?Jumplion said:
A lot of people aren't playing their PS2s anymore because it is a last-gen system. That doesn't make it bad, but a lot of people have just moved on. The PSP is a current-gen system that I think people have also moved on. You're right that I shouldn't make generalizations on a user base, but that generalization is coming from other PSP user's feedback. It's not mine.
And sales rates of the Jaguar is irrelevant when my point was based on how many people use their PSPs for PSP games. Currently, (I feel, from feedback) the PSPs user base has about the same number of people playing PSP games as the Jaguar did back when it was new. Statistically negligible (from a dev's prospective at least).
Good man.Signa said:
Oh dear, I'm sorry.
So you're a bloody thief. You don't want to buy it because it's expensive and it's too hard to open up an online store or (gasp) take the bus to the local Gamestop.
So essentially you get to play through a whole game and then decide "HRM not good enough so I don't buy!" even though you get the full experience. That's disgusting. You don't get to watch a movie for free and then go out and buy it. You get a trailer (if they supply that) to base your decision off of, along with reviews. And don't pull that "Oh, I only play the first few levels" garbage, because NOBODY does that.
Excellent work, my son. I'm glad to see you revoking your ways of evil.
Then why did you pirate the games?
So buy the games, "pirate" them (which actually counts as your one digital backup), put them on a memory card, enjoy.
Why did you compare a handheld system to a bunch of home consoles, which almost by definition generate more revenue for a company? Of course the SNES, GBC, and PSX have better libraries than the PSP: They're home consoles, so they can program better, faster, more amazing games than a PSP.
Your logic is flawed.