Peter Dille Says PSP Piracy "Sickening"

[Jumplion]

I think you might have just stepped on your own argument a little. If people aren't using their PSPs for PSP games anymore, then why would they care if a new PSP game was released?

A lot of people aren't playing their PS2s anymore because it is a last-gen system. That doesn't make it bad, but a lot of people have just moved on. The PSP is a current-gen system that I think people have also moved on. You're right that I shouldn't make generalizations on a user base, but that generalization is coming from other PSP user's feedback. It's not mine.

And sales rates of the Jaguar is irrelevant when my point was based on how many people use their PSPs for PSP games. Currently, (I feel, from feedback) the PSPs user base has about the same number of people playing PSP games as the Jaguar did back when it was new. Statistically negligible (from a dev's prospective at least).

You're right, I may have sidestepped the actual argument, but I know many people who have PSPs who play them all the time.

And quite frankly, I think Flying-Emu's post sums up a lot of what you said very well and I'm surprised I didn't debate with you on those points.

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Let's boil this down to a few simple facts:

I bought 4 games with my PSP, planning on playing them.

Good man.

I hardly touched any of them.

Oh dear, I'm sorry.

I liberally pirate games for my PSP because it's cheap and convenient.

So you're a bloody thief. You don't want to buy it because it's expensive and it's too hard to open up an online store or (gasp) take the bus to the local Gamestop.

I buy the games that I pirate if I feel they are good enough.

There is only 1 game that I have pirated that I felt needed to be purchased.

So essentially you get to play through a whole game and then decide "HRM not good enough so I don't buy!" even though you get the full experience. That's disgusting. You don't get to watch a movie for free and then go out and buy it. You get a trailer (if they supply that) to base your decision off of, along with reviews. And don't pull that "Oh, I only play the first few levels" garbage, because NOBODY does that.

The last game I downloaded for the PSP was over a year ago.

Excellent work, my son. I'm glad to see you revoking your ways of evil.

The best parts of the PSP is the emulators.

Then why did you pirate the games?

Playing a game from a memory card is always better than from a UMD

So buy the games, "pirate" them (which actually counts as your one digital backup), put them on a memory card, enjoy.

Always hearing about a good game getting pirated to death churns my stomach, and I hear that Resistance is a good game. I find it hard to care though when my PSP hasn't been used to run a PSP game in at least a year and a half. I spend a lot more time on it using it for videos and emulators. SNES, GBC, and PSX all have far better libraries than what the PSP itself has to offer. At this point, I feel the PSP is dead as a gaming system. Complaining about a good game on the PSP not getting purchased is like complaining about a good game on the Jaguar not selling well. It's sad, REALLY sad, but no one plays their PSP for PSP games anymore.

Why did you compare a handheld system to a bunch of home consoles, which almost by definition generate more revenue for a company? Of course the SNES, GBC, and PSX have better libraries than the PSP: They're home consoles, so they can program better, faster, more amazing games than a PSP.

Your logic is flawed.

 

[zeroharpuia]

The only reason I would ever consider buying a PSP is because you can put emulators on it, otherwise I would stick to the DS because of its large selection of awesome games.

 

[wasalp]

How about fitting every 1000th PSP with a quantity of semtex set to detonate if a user attempts to load any firmware not written by Sony.
It's not like it's any less practical than most anti piracy measures, would probably be a great deal more effective too.

I agree this would be much more effective. nothing better to motivate players then the loss of limbs or death.

 

[Signa]

Let's boil this down to a few simple facts:

I bought 4 games with my PSP, planning on playing them.

1Good man.

I hardly touched any of them.

2Oh dear, I'm sorry.

I liberally pirate games for my PSP because it's cheap and convenient.

3So you're a bloody thief. You don't want to buy it because it's expensive and it's too hard to open up an online store or (gasp) take the bus to the local Gamestop.

I buy the games that I pirate if I feel they are good enough.

There is only 1 game that I have pirated that I felt needed to be purchased.

4So essentially you get to play through a whole game and then decide "HRM not good enough so I don't buy!" even though you get the full experience. That's disgusting. You don't get to watch a movie for free and then go out and buy it. You get a trailer (if they supply that) to base your decision off of, along with reviews. 4bAnd don't pull that "Oh, I only play the first few levels" garbage, because NOBODY does that.

The last game I downloaded for the PSP was over a year ago.

5Excellent work, my son. I'm glad to see you revoking your ways of evil.

The best parts of the PSP is the emulators.

6Then why did you pirate the games?

Playing a game from a memory card is always better than from a UMD

7So buy the games, "pirate" them (which actually counts as your one digital backup), put them on a memory card, enjoy.

Always hearing about a good game getting pirated to death churns my stomach, and I hear that Resistance is a good game. I find it hard to care though when my PSP hasn't been used to run a PSP game in at least a year and a half. I spend a lot more time on it using it for videos and emulators. SNES, GBC, and PSX all have far better libraries than what the PSP itself has to offer. At this point, I feel the PSP is dead as a gaming system. Complaining about a good game on the PSP not getting purchased is like complaining about a good game on the Jaguar not selling well. It's sad, REALLY sad, but no one plays their PSP for PSP games anymore.

8Why did you compare a handheld system to a bunch of home consoles, which almost by definition generate more revenue for a company? Of course the SNES, GBC, and PSX have better libraries than the PSP: They're home consoles, so they can program better, faster, more amazing games than a PSP.

9Your logic is flawed.

1) Thank you. I got Valkyrie Profile, GTA:LCS, Daxter, Burnout.
I put a bit of time into GTA looking for hidden packages, but I never even started the first mission. It was a VERY impressive game and I don't regret buying it.

I also put a bit of time into Daxter, but I got that after I hacked my PSP, so I was really wanting to play it from my memory card. I kept having lock-up issues (I think I needed to defrag my card) so I ended up giving up. It wasn't a BAD game, but the thing I liked about it the best was the graphics. The gameplay just wasn't doing it for me.

Valk Prof was a beautiful game, but I never progressed past the first period. Waste of money.

The one game I put the most time into was Burnout, and I normally HATE racing games. It was just pure insane fun, and I still play it from time-to-time.


2) Meh, live and learn.

3) Hey! f-you man!

Not the most mature of a comeback, but calling me a bloody thief is pretty low. If you saw my game collection you would eat your words.

4) I wasn't lying when I said I bought my games. I usually don't play a game all the way though, let alone before I buy it. A game almost never keeps me occupied though more than 20 minutes if it's not worth a purchase. Some games I'll only play for 5 minutes before trashing them. Others I'll play for the same period of time before jumping on Amazon and buying it. Trailers for movies are designed to take advantage of you and your money. It doesn't matter if you hated it. They got your money!

Just because some one "steals" a movie/game doesn't mean that the people who made the product aren't thieves themselves. I'm sick of people insinuating that I'm a thief because I got legally conned a few times. You can call it my fault all you want, but the fact is, I haven't slowed my game purchasing down since I became a pirate, but I certainly haven't bought many lemons since. If that's still a problem with you, I'm just going to assume that you're either jealous, or at least a pompous jackass who assumes pirates are lesser people than yourself.

4b)And guess what, I do that.

5) Evil? bah, I'm just taking charge of my wallet. All my downloading did was prove that the PSP games that were coming out weren't worth my hard drive space.

6) Are you seriously asking that? Just because the points of the PSP I enjoy the most doesn't have to do with pirated games, doesn't mean that there might be a game that I might find that needed my support. I'm not going to haphazardly buy games when I feel like it's a waste to download them free. How else am I going to find that diamond in the rough that gets me to do what YOU want me to do: buy games.

7) I'm usually downloading, THEN buying not the other way around. Besides, the custom firmware allows you to rip the games from your XMB if you have your PC connected. It's really cool. You just press Select to bring up an added menu, Change "USB Device" from "Memory Stick" to "UMD" and then connect to your PC. You just grab the game as if it was a file on a memory card. I'm SURE you want to hear about all that, but I get a kick out of the ingenuity of the CFW, so I thought I would share.

8) Why wouldn't I? If the PSP can emulate them, then the PSP is a far superior piece of hardware. If it's a superior, then the games themselves can be better. It just so happens that they aren't. Revenue is irrelevant on what makes a game fun. The only comparison I made to a home console was the Jag, and that was because I don't think that many people are playing games on the PSP, just as not many people were playing on the Jag.

9) What? and yours isn't? Just in your post you called me a thief for not buying every game I play, called me evil, said that old home consoles are more complex than the PSP, and made various other assumptions based on one line I said.

 

[Dancingman]

Oh go cry in a hole Peter Dille, there's worse piracy in this world.

 

[Zer_]

Get off your anti-piracy high horses guys. The moment you browse youtube and happen to come upon a copyrighted song you have just committed piracy.

The primary use for my PSP is as an SNES emulator on a mobile platform. Yeah I've downloaded ROMs of games I do not own anymore, but finding some of the rarer SNES games on the market is
incredibly difficult anyways.

Honestly the only PSP game I've bought that I play is Tekken: Dark Resurrection. I bought Wipeout Pulse (or pure, I forgeT) but I hardly play it anymore. Other then that I use my PSP for SNES games, watching some videos and trying out cool homebrew projects like Quake 1 for PSP (which supports multiplayer).

 

[Jumplion]

Get off your anti-piracy high horses guys. The moment you browse youtube and happen to come upon a copyrighted song you have just committed piracy.

The primary use for my PSP is as an SNES emulator on a mobile platform. Yeah I've downloaded ROMs of games I do not own anymore, but finding some of the rarer SNES games on the market is
incredibly difficult anyways.

Honestly the only PSP game I've bought that I play is Tekken: Dark Resurrection. I bought Wipeout Pulse (or pure, I forgeT) but I hardly play it anymore. Other then that I use my PSP for SNES games, watching some videos and trying out cool homebrew projects like Quake 1 for PSP (which supports multiplayer).

I never said that Piracy wasn't common place or that everyone did it, hell I'll admit that I've downloaded a song or ten because it was so easy to find it. But that doesn't mean that I justify my actions.

You're saying that it's perfectly acceptable for people to pirate, and steal, games on the PSP because you personally don't care for your own PSP and you only get use out of it with homebrew. That's like saying it's okay for me to pirate Jonas Brothers' songs because I don't like their music, it makes no sense.

Do not try to justify piracy, there is no justification, you're either a theif, hacker, or a bystander. Don't get me wrong, do whatever you want with your PSP, homebrew it to hell and back for all I care, but do not try to justify your actions as "sticking it to the man" because that is pathetic.

Frankly I think that you and some others are arguing against Sony because it's from Sony. Anti-Sony logic at it's finest.

3) Hey! f-you man!

Not the most mature of a comeback, but calling me a bloody thief is pretty low. If you saw my game collection you would eat your words.

4) I wasn't lying when I said I bought my games. I usually don't play a game all the way though, let alone before I buy it. A game almost never keeps me occupied though more than 20 minutes if it's not worth a purchase. Some games I'll only play for 5 minutes before trashing them. Others I'll play for the same period of time before jumping on Amazon and buying it. Trailers for movies are designed to take advantage of you and your money. It doesn't matter if you hated it. They got your money!

Just because some one "steals" a movie/game doesn't mean that the people who made the product aren't thieves themselves. I'm sick of people insinuating that I'm a thief because I got legally conned a few times. You can call it my fault all you want, but the fact is, I haven't slowed my game purchasing down since I became a pirate, but I certainly haven't bought many lemons since. If that's still a problem with you, I'm just going to assume that you're either jealous, or at least a pompous jackass who assumes pirates are lesser people than yourself.

5) Evil? bah, I'm just taking charge of my wallet. All my downloading did was prove that the PSP games that were coming out weren't worth my hard drive space.

6) Are you seriously asking that? Just because the points of the PSP I enjoy the most doesn't have to do with pirated games, doesn't mean that there might be a game that I might find that needed my support. I'm not going to haphazardly buy games when I feel like it's a waste to download them free. How else am I going to find that diamond in the rough that gets me to do what YOU want me to do: buy games.

8) Why wouldn't I? If the PSP can emulate them, then the PSP is a far superior piece of hardware. If it's a superior, then the games themselves can be better. It just so happens that they aren't. Revenue is irrelevant on what makes a game fun. The only comparison I made to a home console was the Jag, and that was because I don't think that many people are playing games on the PSP, just as not many people were playing on the Jag.

9) What? and yours isn't? Just in your post you called me a thief for not buying every game I play, called me evil, said that old home consoles are more complex than the PSP, and made various other assumptions based on one line I said.

3) I'm sorry if this comes off as brash, but no, f-you man! You're a thief, end of story, no ifs ands ors buts or anything else, you're a thief. You said it yourself, you liberally pirate games because they're cheap and convenient. Now, I won't judge your character based on this, hopefully you're a nice guy, but you cannot say that you're not a thief when you admitted to piracy. That's like saying because I robbed an unpopular fruit stand, that means I'm not a thief.

4) Well, good for you that you actually buy the games you first pirate, but that still doesn't change the fact of the games you didn't buy. If you'd pirate a game, you'd have to rebuy every game you downloaded, you cannot buy some games and not buy some as that just fuels the piracy. You're trying to justify your piracy, and quite frankly I find it disturbing for a word that wouldn't make me sound prudish.

5) Taking charge of your wallet? Seriously? If you can't pay for a game that you want to play, tough luck! You have no right to illegally download a game because your wallet is too skinny, you have no right to steal a game because you felt that you didn't have to pay for it! This is an excuse I see all the time for pirates, that they didn't want to pay for it or that their wallets were thin. Well too bad so sad, there's something called saving up! You have no right to steal a game because you're too damn cheap to buy it or to download a demo to see if you like it.

6) You know, there's something called demos that let you download games for free. Or maybe borrowing from a friend? There's are other ways to find "diamonds in the rough" than piracy, and I seriously doubt that you're helping Patapon 2's sales by pirating it.

8) I can't argue too much with this, but again I bring up that plenty of PSP owners I know frequently use it for games or otherwise.

9) That's the definition of a thief! Not buying every game you download, that's stealing! I won't judge your character on you pirating games, but there is absolutely no excuse that you can possibly make to justify you stealing the games that you pirate. No excuse. Either buy it or don't buy it, you cannot possibly justify you pirating games because your wallet was too thin.

I'll admit, I've downloaded music before, so I'm not wholly innocent here, but even I admit that I'm a thief on that part. You are a thief, end of story, it doesn't matter about your intentions or how you downloaded them or that you bought some of them later on. You are a thief, simple as that.

 

[LeonLethality]

why cant people just buy game legit i mean geeze they dont realise if they dont that means more good games cant come out due to less funding, its how things work... look at the economy im sure things like this contributed to it somewhat, and that detonating psp sounds like a good idea, or to avoid lawsuits make it so it locks down from downloading meaning a new psp must be bought (lock down as in break ) and fund sony more than the game would have NARHARHARHAR

 

[Signa]

snip.

Ok, I'm not here to justify my actions as much as I am, but again I still have a few counter-arguments. The reason I stated what I did originally wasn't to defend piracy, or my own actions, but only to comment on the futility of making PSP games at this point. I think making PSP games is great, but the market just isn't there. I didn't even use the proper words to describe myself because it was "quick and convenient" and even irrelevant in the original post. I really don't download because it's cheap. It is convenient though. Another recent example was the DS game Castlevania. Like always, I tried before I bought, but I had my suspicions that I was going to buy the game in a heartbeat. I just wanted to take 5 minutes to confirm my purchase. Not all games have demos, and a lot that do are just like movie trailers. They show you what they KNOW to be the best and not if the game is worth your purchase. It's an interactive commercial, they are advertising to you.

So maybe I am a thief, but I have very high standards as a thief. It would be like me breaking into a house and then returning a portion of the money I made from my fence. 'Course that analogy doesn't even work because of the whole data-being-copyable and no-lost-sales arguments, but I think my point still stands on exactly how thief-like I actually am.

As for your Jonas Brother's comment, I just would like to ask that IF you did download it, and IF you found that you really enjoyed it, would you buy it? I probably would hate you for buying it (it's the fucking Jonas brothers!!) but it would be the right thing to do. You just don't know what you will like sometimes, and it's fair to know what you are spending your hard-eared cash on.

Go back to my original post. You will see that I said that rampant piracy makes me sick. Maybe my high standards don't measure up to your higher standards, but we are still in a similar category of thought on the issue. The only real difference is that I don't see a problem playing Barbie's horse adventure just to laugh at really badly designed game.

 

[Jumplion]

snip.

Ok, I'm not here to justify my actions as much as I am, but again I still have a few counter-arguments. The reason I stated what I did originally wasn't to defend piracy, or my own actions, but only to comment on the futility of making PSP games at this point. I think making PSP games is great, but the market just isn't there. I didn't even use the proper words to describe myself because it was "quick and convenient" and even irrelevant in the original post. I really don't download because it's cheap. It is convenient though. Another recent example was the DS game Castlevania. Like always, I tried before I bought, but I had my suspicions that I was going to buy the game in a heartbeat. I just wanted to take 5 minutes to confirm my purchase. Not all games have demos, and a lot that do are just like movie trailers. They show you what they KNOW to be the best and not if the game is worth your purchase. It's an interactive commercial, they are advertising to you.

So maybe I am a thief, but I have very high standards as a thief. It would be like me breaking into a house and then returning a portion of the money I made from my fence. 'Course that analogy doesn't even work because of the whole data-being-copyable and no-lost-sales arguments, but I think my point still stands on exactly how thief-like I actually am.

As for your Jonas Brother's comment, I just would like to ask that IF you did download it, and IF you found that you really enjoyed it, would you buy it? I probably would hate you for buying it (it's the fucking Jonas brothers!!) but it would be the right thing to do. You just don't know what you will like sometimes, and it's fair to know what you are spending your hard-eared cash on.

Go back to my original post. You will see that I said that rampant piracy makes me sick. Maybe my high standards don't measure up to your higher standards, but we are still in a similar category of thought on the issue. The only real difference is that I don't see a problem playing Barbie's horse adventure just to laugh at really badly designed game.

Hey, if it has a good beat to it, I consider it good music

But I'm using the term "thief" as it's definition, I'm not trying to insult you with the word. No matter how big or small, you're a thief, end of story. I'm not using it to insult you like "You're nothing but a damned dirty thief!" I'm using it as just a simple term to describe what you are, a thief. Just like how someone who steals a loaf of bread is as much of a thief as someone who steals a precious diamond.

Of course, other things are put into value like the merchandise stolen, but I'm just using thief as a broad term of what you're doing.

I know not all games have demos out for them, but there are trailers, gameplay movies, and reviews to help base your purchase. All pirating a game really does is increase the BitTorrent rate to go up by one, and that's one too many. There really is no reason for you to even really need to pirate games in the first place.

Even if I did pirate Jonas Brothers songs and didn't like them, it's still wrong of me to not pay them in the first place. Granted, I'd probably not care enough to do so, but it doesn't matter what the product is because you still stole it. Even if it's the dreaded Barbie's Horse Adventure (though I'm willing to overlook that pirate )

Now, I won't judge you if you pirate or continue to pirate, do whatever you want, who cares about one stupid internet guy's opinion anyway, eh? But all rampant piracy does is make the piracy counter go up, and people like the "dreaded" Sony executive Peter Dille start to think that nobody is trustworthy. All piracy does is make them think that it's getting worse and worse.

One form of piracy that I absolutely despise is pirating out of spite. Hopefully you don't do that, because that is absolutely the worst way to "stick it to the man" as all it does is reinforce their feelings that they have to make tighter control on DRM and therefore make the legitimate customers suffer. Looking back at it now, even though I didn't care much about the Spore piracy, I am absolutely disgusted as to how much it was pirated. That should never be the way to "prove a point" and to make developers take out DRM, that is threatening the developers and making them fear the customers, not letting them get our trust or their ours.

Alot of people here think that Sony should butt out and do nothing about piracy on the PSP, but it is a problem for people who illegally download legitimate games that should be bought legitimately. These people say that they can do whatever they want and that they can download games, movies, or TV shows on their PSPs if they want to. Those people are the people who are promoting piracy on anything and who think that they have a right to steal someone else's work with no compensation for the creators.

I may be being harsh though, some people pirate out of curiosity, others do it once or twice, but nobody should ever be promoting piracy on any system even if the company supposedly sucks. Piracy will never stop, I agree, but just because it's being done a million times does not mean that you can legitimize it just like (Oh crap, here comes Godwin's Law!) Hitler and the Jews.

 

[Pocotron]

Who cares what he says?

Seriously, who is he, that I should care about his opinion?
Nobody.
Piracy is just going to happen.

FINALLY SOME SENSE!!!

anyways just put a bomb (virus I forget what they're called) in the PSP. If it gets hacked BOOM!!! Its over! go buy a new one!!!

...thats what Micro$oft would do...

 

[Signa]

Hey, if it has a good beat to it, I consider it good music

But I'm using the term "thief" as it's definition, I'm not trying to insult you with the word. No matter how big or small, you're a thief, end of story. I'm not using it to insult you like "You're nothing but a damned dirty thief!" I'm using it as just a simple term to describe what you are, a thief. Just like how someone who steals a loaf of bread is as much of a thief as someone who steals a precious diamond.

Of course, other things are put into value like the merchandise stolen, but I'm just using thief as a broad term of what you're doing.

I know not all games have demos out for them, but there are trailers, gameplay movies, and reviews to help base your purchase. All pirating a game really does is increase the BitTorrent rate to go up by one, and that's one too many. There really is no reason for you to even really need to pirate games in the first place.

Even if I did pirate Jonas Brothers songs and didn't like them, it's still wrong of me to not pay them in the first place. Granted, I'd probably not care enough to do so, but it doesn't matter what the product is because you still stole it. Even if it's the dreaded Barbie's Horse Adventure (though I'm willing to overlook that pirate )

Now, I won't judge you if you pirate or continue to pirate, do whatever you want, who cares about one stupid internet guy's opinion anyway, eh? But all rampant piracy does is make the piracy counter go up, and people like the "dreaded" Sony executive Peter Dille start to think that nobody is trustworthy. All piracy does is make them think that it's getting worse and worse.

One form of piracy that I absolutely despise is pirating out of spite. Hopefully you don't do that, because that is absolutely the worst way to "stick it to the man" as all it does is reinforce their feelings that they have to make tighter control on DRM and therefore make the legitimate customers suffer. Looking back at it now, even though I didn't care much about the Spore piracy, I am absolutely disgusted as to how much it was pirated. That should never be the way to "prove a point" and to make developers take out DRM, that is threatening the developers and making them fear the customers, not letting them get our trust or their ours.

Alot of people here think that Sony should butt out and do nothing about piracy on the PSP, but it is a problem for people who illegally download legitimate games that should be bought legitimately. These people say that they can do whatever they want and that they can download games, movies, or TV shows on their PSPs if they want to. Those people are the people who are promoting piracy on anything and who think that they have a right to steal someone else's work with no compensation for the creators.

I may be being harsh though, some people pirate out of curiosity, others do it once or twice, but nobody should ever be promoting piracy on any system even if the company supposedly sucks. Piracy will never stop, I agree, but just because it's being done a million times does not mean that you can legitimize it just like (Oh crap, here comes Godwin's Law!) Hitler and the Jews.

Sadly, it all ends up being a difference in opinion in the end. What one person thinks is right, is what the other thinks is wrong. The problem with this one is that both sides have some very important points, and some very poorly reasoned ones. Peter Dille thinks that 1 torrented game equals a lost sale, and I think that buying my games makes it all OK while there are real pirates out there who do equal a lost sale. It all just goes back to my age-old statement that companies need to stop bitching, stop putting useless DRM (I had to keep Mass Effect installed for a year when I didn't want it anymore) in their products, and start educating people on how they aren't going to get any more of what they like if they don't buy it legitimately.

I've still got a few counter-points left, but they are petty and I'm getting tired of typing so much. I suppose I could go cell phone speak to save time, but I can't force myself down that low. Thanks for the debate, it was fun.

 

[shatnershaman]

Too bad Sony wouldn't just let people make their "homebrew" games (OZONE for example) like XNA community games on live, then people wouldn't need to mod their PSPs to play them and they not have an ISO loader on their PSP.

 

[Flying-Emu]

3) Hey! f-you man!

Not the most mature of a comeback, but calling me a bloody thief is pretty low. If you saw my game collection you would eat your words.

So because you bought a lot of games, that entitles you to steal others? You are a thief. You took something that normally costs money and you didn't compensate the company for it. That's thievery.

4) I wasn't lying when I said I bought my games. I usually don't play a game all the way though, let alone before I buy it. A game almost never keeps me occupied though more than 20 minutes if it's not worth a purchase. Some games I'll only play for 5 minutes before trashing them. Others I'll play for the same period of time before jumping on Amazon and buying it. Trailers for movies are designed to take advantage of you and your money. It doesn't matter if you hated it. They got your money!

Demos. If they don't offer demos, then don't buy the game if you're so worried about it sucking. Rent it, play it at a friend's house for a few minutes; don't pirate it.

Just because some one "steals" a movie/game doesn't mean that the people who made the product aren't thieves themselves. I'm sick of people insinuating that I'm a thief because I got legally conned a few times. You can call it my fault all you want, but the fact is, I haven't slowed my game purchasing down since I became a pirate, but I certainly haven't bought many lemons since. If that's still a problem with you, I'm just going to assume that you're either jealous, or at least a pompous jackass who assumes pirates are lesser people than yourself.

Legally conned? What? You bought a bad product. That's not a con, that's called free market. Every time you buy something, you take a risk on its quality. You didn't get legally conned because you bought a shitty game, you made a mistake and got punished for it.

It IS a problem still. You. Are. Still. Stealing. It doesn't matter if you still buy as many. Thieves still have the same amount of money before and after pocketing a can of Coke or a copy of 300. Jealous? Hardly. A pompous jackass? Maybe. I have been accused of having a bit of an ego.

You being below me? Well, since I consider criminals below me, I suppose so. At least in regards to your thrift and dubious respect for the law.[/quote]

5) Evil? bah, I'm just taking charge of my wallet. All my downloading did was prove that the PSP games that were coming out weren't worth my hard drive space.

Taking charge of your wallet? Have you ever considered just NOT being a spendthrift? Save your money, don't be "ZOMG NEW GAME MUST BAI", and don't pirate.

6) Are you seriously asking that? Just because the points of the PSP I enjoy the most doesn't have to do with pirated games, doesn't mean that there might be a game that I might find that needed my support. I'm not going to haphazardly buy games when I feel like it's a waste to download them free. How else am I going to find that diamond in the rough that gets me to do what YOU want me to do: buy games.

Alright, perhaps out of line, I'll concede that.

DON'T haphazardly buy games. Read reviews. Watch gameplay footage online (I'm assuming you can do that, if you're stuck on a modem with low download speed, go to the library). Don't be a mindless sheep grazing on the surface level of bullshit the industry shoves down your throat.

You want to know why those shitfucktastic games sell at all? Because people don't THINK before they buy. Theft isn't the answer. Thought is.

Oh, and by the way, I don't really give a shit whether you buy games or not. I do, however, have a problem with you getting entertainment for free. Did you ever consider that maybe the people that developed those games have families? Children, even? Fuck, I don't care if you don't buy the game, but don't STEAL their livelihoods.

And I swear to Allah, God, Zeus, the Flying Spaghetti Monster or whatever Divine power you believe in, if you say that "One purchase doesn't matter!" I will have to fucking kill myself. I'm sick of that argument. Guess what, when YOU pirate, and then you TALK about pirating on a board and how FUCKING AMAZING you think it is, you encourage OTHER people to pirate. In the words of the Fixx "One thing leads to another."

7) I'm usually downloading, THEN buying not the other way around. Besides, the custom firmware allows you to rip the games from your XMB if you have your PC connected. It's really cool. You just press Select to bring up an added menu, Change "USB Device" from "Memory Stick" to "UMD" and then connect to your PC. You just grab the game as if it was a file on a memory card. I'm SURE you want to hear about all that, but I get a kick out of the ingenuity of the CFW, so I thought I would share.

I'm utterly stumped by this. Are you saying that you download games and then buy? Cause that's piracy. This point wasn't on that. You said that you'd rather play your games from a memory stick. So buy the goddamn game, "pirate" it (which once again counts as your one digital copy), put it on a memory card, and enjoy. It solves your problem of "wanting to play games from a memory card."

8) Why wouldn't I? If the PSP can emulate them, then the PSP is a far superior piece of hardware. If it's a superior, then the games themselves can be better. It just so happens that they aren't. Revenue is irrelevant on what makes a game fun. The only comparison I made to a home console was the Jag, and that was because I don't think that many people are playing games on the PSP, just as not many people were playing on the Jag.

Well, perhaps I stepped out of line here. You actually cannot buy SNES games anymore and have the company profit. So I suppose there's no wrong there. But I do believe they still have new Nintendo GameCube games in stock. So "emulating" those is piracy.

9) What? and yours isn't? Just in your post you called me a thief for not buying every game I play, called me evil, said that old home consoles are more complex than the PSP, and made various other assumptions based on one line I said.

... lolwut

"You called me a thief for not buying every game I play..." Do you not see the irony in that statement? You are enjoying a product without paying for it. Theft. Definition of thief: "One who commits theft." That seems like a thief to me.

I didn't call YOU evil. I called piracy/stealing evil. Because it is.

Old home consoles perhaps not. But I'm ninety percent certain that the Nintendo Gamecube is a tad more powerful than the PSP. Excuse that if I'm wrong.

 

[Jumplion]

Sadly, it all ends up being a difference in opinion in the end. What one person thinks is right, is what the other thinks is wrong. The problem with this one is that both sides have some very important points, and some very poorly reasoned ones. Peter Dille thinks that 1 torrented game equals a lost sale, and I think that buying my games makes it all OK while there are real pirates out there who do equal a lost sale. It all just goes back to my age-old statement that companies need to stop bitching, stop putting useless DRM (I had to keep Mass Effect installed for a year when I didn't want it anymore) in their products, and start educating people on how they aren't going to get any more of what they like if they don't buy it legitimately.

I've still got a few counter-points left, but they are petty and I'm getting tired of typing so much. I suppose I could go cell phone speak to save time, but I can't force myself down that low. Thanks for the debate, it was fun.

I'll state one more point that I'll make in rebuttal to this, and we'll call it a day, mmkay?

The problem is, they're going to continue using DRM if people continue pirating. An even worse problem is that if people pirate out of spite, like they did with Spore, all it's going to do is make them get "better" and more restrictive DRM. They can't just up and make it gone, most likely it would be pirated to hell and back either way because it's even easier.

What companies need to do is to be able to trust their consumers. The problem is, the customers need to trust the companies. Both sides of the equation are doing equally harmful things to the other, while the pirates are making it worse for both of them.

 

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Old home consoles perhaps not. But I'm ninety percent certain that the Nintendo Gamecube is a tad more powerful than the PSP. Excuse that if I'm wrong.

Uh...just to clarify, I'm pretty sure he meant Game Boy color when saying GBC. It is impossible at the moment...or even at all, to play gamecube games on a PSP.

 

[Flying-Emu]

Old home consoles perhaps not. But I'm ninety percent certain that the Nintendo Gamecube is a tad more powerful than the PSP. Excuse that if I'm wrong.

Uh...just to clarify, I'm pretty sure he meant Game Boy color when saying GBC. It is impossible at the moment...or even at all, to play gamecube games on a PSP.

Oops. My bad. This is why acronyms should be banned.

 

[-Seraph-]

Old home consoles perhaps not. But I'm ninety percent certain that the Nintendo Gamecube is a tad more powerful than the PSP. Excuse that if I'm wrong.

Uh...just to clarify, I'm pretty sure he meant Game Boy color when saying GBC. It is impossible at the moment...or even at all, to play gamecube games on a PSP.

Oops. My bad. This is why acronyms should be banned.

Still would be totally fucking awesome if it where possible to play gamecube on the thing. I would be extremely tempted to mod my PSP just to play Metroid, Zelda, or Soul Calibur (wait...WHY haven't they made this for the PSP YET!?). I mean thats is REALLY tempting.