Peter Molyneux Is "Ashamed" Of Fable III's Scores
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I actually quite enjoyed Fable 3. Molyneux should be proud, it was ten times better than 2 and on par with 1.
The ruling section was abit short, but it was very, very tense making those decisions.
But that one, slightly weak section of the game doesn't out weigh the rest of it.
The ruling section was abit short, but it was very, very tense making those decisions.
But that one, slightly weak section of the game doesn't out weigh the rest of it.
If he has any integrity as an artist he should kill off this franchise and move on to something else. IMO he sticking with it because it's a sure fire money maker.
Peter has made some of the most creative games out there and is clearly talented. but boxing himself within the Fable framework is a complete waste of time from an artistic perspective.
Peter has made some of the most creative games out there and is clearly talented. but boxing himself within the Fable framework is a complete waste of time from an artistic perspective.
I really, really, disliked Fable 3 and I can't fathom that it got reviews that were as good as they are. To me, this game is mediocre at best,and I do agree with Peter when he says that he agrees that it "wasn't good enough", but I wonder if he thinks that's true by a matter of degrees, or MILES, which is my opinion.
To me the entire game is about providing an illusion of choice, without actually offering any choice to the player. You have the extremely shallow "social interaction" mini game, which ultimately has no bearing on how people treat you - since they'll continue to give you gifts if they love you or are afraid of you. Plus the game itself isn't very interesting because there is no choice in the interactions - you just get a positive and a negative to execute, regardless of how many you have purchased (yes, you have to spend advancement points to purchase emotes that are essentially useless).
Also, the game rubs your face in it's lack of choice at every corner. Whenever you complete a milestone, you have to promise to an NPC that you'll do something for them in order to "get their support for the crown". There's no alternative, you have to do it, the only solace you get is that once you gain the crown you can choose to not honor your promise or not. Personally, I think the game would have been better if you could have gone to different factions (some that would ask you for evil things, instead of good thing) to progress the story, but Lionhead wimped out and stuck with the linear narrative.
Then there is the basic gameplay itself - it's boring and repetative. You have a couple of attacks and that's all, you have to go to a cumbersome "sanctuary" interface to change stuff. There is no inventory of things you are carrying. There is no real "stats" on things (clothing, what does it do other than make you look retarded?) All the quests basically break down to fetch equests or escort quests.
Ugh, I could go on and on. This is a terrible game that deserved to be treated a lot harsher than it really was. This was my first introduction to the Fable series and I can say definitively that I will not be coming back for more of this dogs breakfast.
To me the entire game is about providing an illusion of choice, without actually offering any choice to the player. You have the extremely shallow "social interaction" mini game, which ultimately has no bearing on how people treat you - since they'll continue to give you gifts if they love you or are afraid of you. Plus the game itself isn't very interesting because there is no choice in the interactions - you just get a positive and a negative to execute, regardless of how many you have purchased (yes, you have to spend advancement points to purchase emotes that are essentially useless).
Also, the game rubs your face in it's lack of choice at every corner. Whenever you complete a milestone, you have to promise to an NPC that you'll do something for them in order to "get their support for the crown". There's no alternative, you have to do it, the only solace you get is that once you gain the crown you can choose to not honor your promise or not. Personally, I think the game would have been better if you could have gone to different factions (some that would ask you for evil things, instead of good thing) to progress the story, but Lionhead wimped out and stuck with the linear narrative.
Then there is the basic gameplay itself - it's boring and repetative. You have a couple of attacks and that's all, you have to go to a cumbersome "sanctuary" interface to change stuff. There is no inventory of things you are carrying. There is no real "stats" on things (clothing, what does it do other than make you look retarded?) All the quests basically break down to fetch equests or escort quests.
Ugh, I could go on and on. This is a terrible game that deserved to be treated a lot harsher than it really was. This was my first introduction to the Fable series and I can say definitively that I will not be coming back for more of this dogs breakfast.
What an asshole; to come out after millions of people have dished $70 on the game and say 'yeah, I knew all along it wasn't that good'. I realize if he were to go to the press and say that before hand he'd lose his job, but it doesn't make him any less of a douche to come out afterwards and say it.
I love Peter Molyneux, sure he's crazy and exaggerates a lot, but he genuinely seems to love his games and wants to make enjoyable ones. If every big game company was as enthusiastic and idealistic it would be a much more interesting world.
I think Fable 3 was actually the best Fable game to date - until you got to the part where you're supposed to rule the kingdom. Apparently being a monarch involves making a series of binary choices and collecting a lot of rent.
because he cares about his games, his art, and approaches the subject matter with an invigorating optimism and passion sorely lacking in today's gaming industry.Zhukov said:
he also tries to learn from mistakes, unlike some other groups who just get the reviewers fired for just speaking their mind. he adapts his creations. each fable game has been a significant leap ahead for the series, which i also like.
As much as I like to hear this, he's said it before and I can't exactly say it's been working. I can see two routes he could go from here:
1. Start a new franchise. I feel like he's milked all he could out of the series.
2. Start learning from what he did well. At least that's easier to replicate.
1. Start a new franchise. I feel like he's milked all he could out of the series.
2. Start learning from what he did well. At least that's easier to replicate.
Personally my only problem with fable3 is its linear gameplay. Otherwise I thought it okay.
Although I'm glad Peter is aiming high (evening if he'll never achieve his goals)
As we all should know by now ever Fable game will not be as he promised it will be but how he promised the last game would be. Therefor Fable 4 will be what he promised with Fable 3 would be.
Although I'm glad Peter is aiming high (evening if he'll never achieve his goals)
As we all should know by now ever Fable game will not be as he promised it will be but how he promised the last game would be. Therefor Fable 4 will be what he promised with Fable 3 would be.
"It didn't end up being the game that I dreamed it would be, because I thought the mechanic of the ruling section were really good ideas. I thought they were good ideas, but we just didn't have time to exploit those ideas fully."
That's precisely the problem. I think Peter has a pretty good idea how to make a fun game, and especially how to make a complex game. However, his ideas always fail the real world check due to budget and time constraints, and since they were only good DUE TO their scale, the result becomes mediocre.
That's precisely the problem. I think Peter has a pretty good idea how to make a fun game, and especially how to make a complex game. However, his ideas always fail the real world check due to budget and time constraints, and since they were only good DUE TO their scale, the result becomes mediocre.
He's definitely more humble than the creative director of hydrophobia when she was responding to edge magazine and Jim Sterling. I think we should be glad that one damn developer guy is being humble. Fable IIIs' combat designer certainly wasn't.
