I likey. Good blending with the front grey bit, and an interesting use of the muzzle flash.Stickyreiss said:Don't taze me bro!
I likey. Good blending with the front grey bit, and an interesting use of the muzzle flash.Stickyreiss said:Don't taze me bro!
Steyr TMP, my good man. Two-handed machine pistol, just like this one.LordMalachi said:Actually since it has a built in fore grip it is meant to be used with 2 hands. Thus it is an SMG, with a small magazine. Whereas a machine pistol is simply a pistol (1 hand) that fires in full auto (or burst)
You know, I tried to make a Tazer for my non-lethal line-up, but it didn't work.Stickyreiss said:Don't taze me bro!
The Japanese are insane when it comes to details like that...Stickyreiss said:
Wow... ok... everything I've been taught about this topic has just been proven wrong... >.< So how do you tell the difference between MP and SMG?sooperman said:Steyr TMP, my good man. Two-handed machine pistol, just like this one.LordMalachi said:Actually since it has a built in fore grip it is meant to be used with 2 hands. Thus it is an SMG, with a small magazine. Whereas a machine pistol is simply a pistol (1 hand) that fires in full auto (or burst)
I always classify SMG vs. machine pistol by loading mechanism. If mags are inserted into the grip, it's a pistol, fully-auto or not. A separate magwell makes it an SMG.LordMalachi said:Wow... ok... everything I've been taught about this topic has just been proven wrong... >.< So how do you tell the difference between MP and SMG?
It's about what kind of layout it uses. An SMG is just a rifle that uses a pistol calibre, and a machine pistol is just a complicated pistol. Compare the MP5 and the TMP.sooperman said:I always classify SMG vs. machine pistol by loading mechanism. If mags are inserted into the grip, it's a pistol, fully-auto or not. A separate magwell makes it an SMG.LordMalachi said:Wow... ok... everything I've been taught about this topic has just been proven wrong... >.< So how do you tell the difference between MP and SMG?
The ammo size can exempt guns from this rule, but it's a safe rule of thumb.
What series is that from and just what exactly is trigger discipline? I keep hearing on and on about it.Stickyreiss said:
Oh... okNimbleJack3 said:It's about what kind of layout it uses. An SMG is just a rifle that uses a pistol calibre, and a machine pistol is just a complicated pistol. Compare the MP5 and the TMP.sooperman said:I always classify SMG vs. machine pistol by loading mechanism. If mags are inserted into the grip, it's a pistol, fully-auto or not. A separate magwell makes it an SMG.LordMalachi said:Wow... ok... everything I've been taught about this topic has just been proven wrong... >.< So how do you tell the difference between MP and SMG?
The ammo size can exempt guns from this rule, but it's a safe rule of thumb.
MP5 has a rifle-style layout, and the TMP is a complex and slightly warped pistol shape.
i believe it to be the placement of the index finger in the pic. Notice where it is. I think it's "proper" position for "not firing".dalek sec said:What series is that from and just what exactly is trigger discipline? I keep hearing on and on about it.Stickyreiss said:
Not bad. I like how you've noticed the bipod, because I didn't up until just now.fromthemist said:my shot at a Famas. best i could do with what is given.
Trigger discipline is the concept that if you are not intending to fire immediately, then you finger should not even be touching the trigger. It's very important in armed, enclosed spaces like an APC or a helicopter. Ideally, your finger should be placed just like the maids' in the picture, over the trigger guard.LordMalachi said:-snip-
i believe it to be the placement of the index finger in the pic. Notice where it is. I think it's "proper" position for "not firing".dalek sec said:What series is that from and just what exactly is trigger discipline? I keep hearing on and on about it.Stickyreiss said:
I think.
I'm not sure that's right. There isn't really a clear definition of what a machine pistol is or where the line is drawn; it's not just where the mag goes, since the Skorpion is generally regarded as a machine pistol despite having the mag in front of the grip like the MP5. Also, there's some contention over which category the TMP is; it's called "Tactical Machine Pistol," but it's usually classified as a compact SMG.NimbleJack3 said:It's about what kind of layout it uses. An SMG is just a rifle that uses a pistol calibre, and a machine pistol is just a complicated pistol. Compare the MP5 and the TMP.
MP5 has a rifle-style layout, and the TMP is a complex and slightly warped pistol shape.
Huh, I suppose you're right. The Mauser Broomhandle makes the same case as the Skorpion - It had it's magazine in the front, and not it the grip (Although it wasn't automatic).Evil Tim said:I'm not sure that's right. There isn't really a clear definition of what a machine pistol is or where the line is drawn; it's not just where the mag goes, since the Skorpion is generally regarded as a machine pistol despite having the mag in front of the grip like the MP5. Also, there's some contention over which category the TMP is; it's called "Tactical Machine Pistol," but it's usually classified as a compact SMG.NimbleJack3 said:It's about what kind of layout it uses. An SMG is just a rifle that uses a pistol calibre, and a machine pistol is just a complicated pistol. Compare the MP5 and the TMP.
MP5 has a rifle-style layout, and the TMP is a complex and slightly warped pistol shape.
the term "submachine gun" usually refers to larger automatic firearms scaled down from that of a full-sized machine gun, while the term "machine pistol" usually refers to a weapon built up from a semi-automatic pistol design.NimbleJack3 said:Huh, I suppose you're right. The Mauser Broomhandle makes the same case as the Skorpion - It had it's magazine in the front, and not it the grip (Although it wasn't automatic).Evil Tim said:I'm not sure that's right. There isn't really a clear definition of what a machine pistol is or where the line is drawn; it's not just where the mag goes, since the Skorpion is generally regarded as a machine pistol despite having the mag in front of the grip like the MP5. Also, there's some contention over which category the TMP is; it's called "Tactical Machine Pistol," but it's usually classified as a compact SMG.NimbleJack3 said:It's about what kind of layout it uses. An SMG is just a rifle that uses a pistol calibre, and a machine pistol is just a complicated pistol. Compare the MP5 and the TMP.
MP5 has a rifle-style layout, and the TMP is a complex and slightly warped pistol shape.
But I'm pretty sure that the Skorpion is usually classified as an SMG. Perhaps we'll never define it, just like the battle rifle.
Yeah, I checked Wikipedia too, but that's even worse as a definition since you're not going to find an SMG in the world that's a scaled down machine gun, though some (UMP, MP5, MP7) are scaled down assault rifle actions.Stickyreiss said:the term "submachine gun" usually refers to larger automatic firearms scaled down from that of a full-sized machine gun, while the term "machine pistol" usually refers to a weapon built up from a semi-automatic pistol design.
My vote for the BAR is that it's a really heavy assault rifle; a 30-round mag isn't going to lay down covering fire or defend anything.Evil Tim said:Yeah, I checked Wikipedia too, but that's even worse as a definition since you're not going to find an SMG in the world that's a scaled down machine gun, though some (UMP, MP5, MP7) are scaled down assault rifle actions.Stickyreiss said:the term "submachine gun" usually refers to larger automatic firearms scaled down from that of a full-sized machine gun, while the term "machine pistol" usually refers to a weapon built up from a semi-automatic pistol design.
It's not really a helpful definition since most of the examples that fall in the middle aren't scaled-up or scaled-down versions of anything. There's also reverse cases like the compact Uzis, machine pistols which are scaled-down SMGs.
The one for battle rifle is even worse since last I checked every definition I'd found offline was that a battle rifle had to be at least semi-automatic while firing a full-sized rifle round, with some specifying select-fire. Also has a few vague cases like the BAR which couldn't really decide if it was a really light machine gun or a really heavy automatic rifle.