Plot Holes [Possible Spoilers!]

[clipse15]

Here's a plot holes for you (paraphrased for space)

Return of the Jedi:

Luke: Do you remember your mother?
Leia: Yeah. She died when I was very young.

Damn that woman had a great memory, considering the end of Revenge of the Sith and how freakin young she was.

Also making a case for sloppy (read: bad) writing causing plot holes, I present the recent Doctor Who special (again paraphrased)

Spoiler

Dr: Hey, I'm gonna change the course of history when I know I shouldn't, regardless of the fact it could change the course of history forever and cause multiple universe imploding paradoxes.


Leia obviously had an adopted family like Luke had an adoptive family so the mother she was referring to was her adoptive mother.

 

[Lucane]

Valkyria Chronicles has probably more than I can remember, but here's couple.

Spoiler

After almost the entire Gallian army is annihilated they roll in an enormous tank, which Alicia engages in battle and is clearly out-maneuvering it (the thing about oversized tanks: They don't really turn) and actually shoots right through its otherwise impenetrable armour... Then decides she has to turn herself into a human nuke to be able to destroy it.

What?

Welking of course manages convince her to not sacrifice herself... Or use her powers at all in the coming battle. Even after the Maximillian gives himself artifical Valkyre superpowers and turns the mega-tank into a nuke cannon (and fires is it).

What?

Well if you recall Alicia had to "throw" her Ragnite Lance at the Marmota to put that hole in it her powers are magnified by the lance and shield with out it or what ever Selvaria did/learned to channel the power on her own, then her only other choice would be the Valkyrur's Flame (Granted thinking about it I guess the experiments to Selvaria are probaly the reason she can tap into her powers more freely and why her hair is always light blue.)
... Sorta like when Goku could go Super Sayian started out as an emotionial trigger before he could just make it happen at will.

 

[Wayte]

Twilight saga. Just... the whole saga.

How could so many teenage girls overlook all this stuff?

I just found a perfect quote for this

The greater the ignorance the greater the dogmatism.
- Sir William Osler

 

[messy]

Spoiler

How do sterile Vampires get thier Human girlfriends preggers?

I've not read the books, but heard enough about about this paticular plothole to want an explanation.

Spoiler

The way I understood it, he was still fertile, it just the females become sterile. Their bodies can't change in the way a pregnancy would require. The males, however, could still feasibly produce viable sperm. They have to replenish venom and process nourishment, so some biological activity still must be going on. Since this is a fantasy style novel, there is no reason to assume it is impossible.

While your explanation might just make sense, Stephanie Meyer's offical word on the subject is actually less plausible.

Spoiler

Vampire males continue to have semen stored in their testicles, which when heated to core body temperature of a normal human, 'reactivates' the semen and allows it to impregnate a fertile human female. I'm just going to leave biologist to gnash their teeth and cry over that little announcement.

See it'd be fine if she just explained it was magic but its the attempt of making it "scientific" that bugs me. Also claims they are eternally cold (thermodynamics fail) so surely he'd just drain the heat from Bella eternally and she'd die, also the heat require to heat up just the testicles to 37.5 degrees is going to take a lot of energy, especially considering it'd be dispersed around the entire body.

 

[SonicKoala]

I never understood why in District 9 the aliens were such wimps and never fought back against their human oppressors, despite the fact they had a gi-normous ship (which undoubtedly would be filled with totally awesome alien technology), far better weapons (despite looking like fancy Nerf guns), and they were extremely strong and agile - and there was apparently A QUARTER OF A MILLION OF THEM.

There is an answer to that, but unfortunately it just opens another holes

Spoiler

It is implied throughout the movie that just about every living prawn on earth was a "worker" or "drone", while the more intelligent aliens seemed to have died prior to the arrival on earth (with the exception of at least Christopher). For one thing, they may be just too "dumb" to use their weapons (although that is not likely, since you see prawns using human weapons and even one commanding one of the mechs).
More likely all the aliens are used to have a strict, insect-like chain of command, and as thier "leaders" died, they were very confused and frightened and pretty much unable to do a bit of thinking of their own, so they are easily ordered around by the seemingly helpful humans...

But i'd like to add a bit of my own theory

Spoiler

First off, as said, the Humans USED to be helpful and nice to the aliens at first. And since the aliens have no idea about anything regarding earth, they just know what the humans allowed them to see. And the aliens were probably too grateful and naive to start to think about how they can make themselves autonomous. So as the humans became more abusive, the aliens were pretty much completely dependent on their new Human Overlords (*g*)
And second, so yes, there are a quarter million aliens with awesome, powerful weapons. That still does not make them invincible. They don't have impenetrable shields or something, so the first thing the humans probably do when the aliens start to turn against them is to blow them away with a few bombers. Since the humans outnumber the aliens by far, and since the aliens are stored conveniently at one place, a "prawn resistance" would hardly survive for a month

Since this is the best thought out of the freaking 5 responses I got to my D-9 comment, I'll respond to this one (wow, people love that movie). Alright, I suppose I can accept your explanation, but then that would just change my opinion from this being a "plot hole" to just being a pretty shitty story, and then my biggest question would be how did all the intelligent aliens die? But my biggest problem I have with that response is that so many people praise D-9 because of its "deeper meaning" and social commentary on apartheid - and how is this conveyed? By using a bunch of idiotic alien drones as the substitute for the actual human beings who suffered in the past. Wow, how profound.

 

[twistedmic]

Leia obviously had an adopted family like Luke had an adoptive family so the mother she was referring to was her adoptive mother.

Or it could be that Lucas forgot that particular comment when he wrote the new trilogy. That wouldn't be the first time he contradicted himself in the new trilogy. Obi-Wan claims that Yoda was the Jedi that trained him, then in Phantom Menace Obi-Wan's master is Qui-Gon

 

[dragontiers]

Leia obviously had an adopted family like Luke had an adoptive family so the mother she was referring to was her adoptive mother.

Or it could be that Lucas forgot that particular comment when he wrote the new trilogy. That wouldn't be the first time he contradicted himself in the new trilogy. Obi-Wan claims that Yoda was the Jedi that trained him, then in Phantom Menace Obi-Wan's master is Qui-Gon

They try to patch that one up by claiming Yoda trains all the young padawans, hence the scene where Obi-Wan goes to him about the "missing" planet.

 

[darkless]

Here's a plot holes for you (paraphrased for space)

Return of the Jedi:

Luke: Do you remember your mother?
Leia: Yeah. She died when I was very young.

Damn that woman had a great memory, considering the end of Revenge of the Sith and how freakin young she was.

Also making a case for sloppy (read: bad) writing causing plot holes, I present the recent Doctor Who special (again paraphrased)

Spoiler

Dr: Hey, I'm gonna change the course of history when I know I shouldn't, regardless of the fact it could change the course of history forever and cause multiple universe imploding paradoxes.

Should be dead lady: Hey, didn't Rose try and do this in Season 1 and the whole world got eaten by paradox monsters? And why are you completely out of character? *dies anyway*

How annoying.

He didn't create a paradox there, the reason rose created a paradox is because she saved her father while she was 3 months old, no such thing happened in the latest doctor who episode

 

[Wicky_42]

Oooh, I got a good one - and it doesn't really need spoilers!

Aliens, that famous Newt line "They mostly come out at night... Mostly" - sounds pretty ominous, right? Then you remember the briefing: The planet has a rotational time of JUST OVER 2 HOURS... that means it's night every other hour (IIRC, of course . Christ are those energetic aliens

 

[TheGreatCoolEnergy]

Spoiler: Halo 2-3

Why did the Prophets betray the Elites? The Elites still served vary well when they were...'Replaced'...all it did was give the Covenant another enemy to fight.

In the books there were many elites who were questioning why humans were not allowed into the covenant. The prophets knew that the elites were too smart and knew that they'd break away eventually. Also, since the elites were smarter, the prophets didn't want anyone challenging their godliness after they started the great journey. So, they used the assassination of Regret as a scapegoat to replace the elites with a more mindless and obedient race who felt less sympathy with humans. And if you were going to state a plot hole with Halo 2-3, why didn't you question why the grunts/hunters are still with the loyalists.

Ah alright thanks. And I was kind of inclined to believe that some Grunts/hunters would jump ship, but most would stay loyal.

 

[Darth Pope]

I've got one that's bugged me for a long time.

Spoiler: DMC 3 Spoiler

In Devil May Cry 3 when Arkham releases Timen Ni Gru with Lady's blood, why does he slash her leg rather than stabbing her through the chest and eliminating a threat?

Although I thought it was a cool detail that Lady had a dressing where Arkham slashed her leg open for the rest of the game, and in DMC 4 she has a scar there.

 

[Spike815]

Another District 9 question:

Spoiler

How did the aliens get all those guns? It clearly stated that humans had to cut into the ship and take them off in helicopters, so were they allowed to just carry their fancy rayguns out with them? How did they manage to smuggle a huge freakin' mecha suit into a helicopter and then into the district? Ignoring the fact that they traded the mecha for catfood. (Are they really THAT stupid? That's like trading a tank for some cocaine, you could just take it.)

 

[manaman]

*snippity*


That's sure not the impression I got.

It was the great Jedi purge [http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Great_Jedi_Purge], many survived order 66 to be hunted down during the intervening years, and some renounced the order. Only a handful where left by the time Luke started training more Jedi and the order got going again.

You can click the link in the above test to read more. The movies are only mediocre compared to the rest of the extended universe.

 

[Canadamus Prime]

*snippity*


That's sure not the impression I got.

It was the great Jedi purge [http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Great_Jedi_Purge], many survived order 66 to be hunted down during the intervening years, and some renounced the order. Only a handful where left by the time Luke started training more Jedi and the order got going again.

You can click the link in the above test to read more. The movies are only mediocre compared to the rest of the extended universe.

*shrug* Still as far as evil plans go, I'd say Palpatine's plan to get rid of the Jedi and seize power was quite ingenious.

 

[Deleted]

What I always wondered was in Deathnote when Mikami comes at the end and finishes the series, why'd he come in the first place? Did Light tell him to, I don't remember him being told about the meeting. How did everyone know Mikami was gonna arrive.

because mikami had to see them to kill them and near and light both knew this

So did Near control Mikami to come, or did Light tell him to come? Because he can't have just known about Near at all.

 

[Mr.logic]

What I always wondered was in Deathnote when Mikami comes at the end and finishes the series, why'd he come in the first place? Did Light tell him to, I don't remember him being told about the meeting. How did everyone know Mikami was gonna arrive.

because mikami had to see them to kill them and near and light both knew this

So did Near control Mikami to come, or did Light tell him to come? Because he can't have just known about Near at all.

light told him about near.

 

[Gmano]

Hmm shall we start on 2012?

Yes, I think so.

Firstly, neutrinos do not interact with matter. It makes the entire premise of the movie irrelevant but that's just one of those things in Hollywood.

Secondly, the tidal wave was said to be 1500 meters high. Everest is 8000 meters high. How did the water get up there? Who knows?

Thirdly, where did all that water come from? It didn't drain straight away so it must be a solid body of water that is at least 6000 meters on top of the pre-disaster sea level. Lets not do the maths on that one, the volume of water just isn't on the earth.

Woo for 2012.

1. They made note of that (right near the beginning), claimed that the vast ammount of neutrinos were somehow forming a new particle or wave, which acted as a microwave.

2. The Continental drift would have lowered the height of the Himalayas, also, the wave didn't envelope everest, instead it went around the sides of most of it.

3. The ice caps would have been heated by the new particle/wave, then this new mass of water would be released by the large earthquakes.

It's not bulletproof, but they made attempts to explain it that made some form of sense.

 

[nezroy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yqVD0swvWU

Damn eagles too busy off cleaning their feathers for most of the story.

Wouldn't the eagles simply have been attacked by the wraithlords on their flying.. thingies?
Also, wouldn't the eagles also have been corrupted by the ring? I thought that hobbits were supposed to be espcially resistant to the ring. Yes they are corrupted by it over time, but the eagles would of been corrupted much, much quicker, delivering the ring straight to sauron.

The Ringwraiths were limping home slowly at the time. Also, since Frodo was carrying the Ring, he would be the only one being corrupted. Also, the corruption was a long and slow process that was sped up by fatigue, weakness, and proximity to Mordor. Since they only took 15 minutes to get there and they rode the whole way, the Ring wouldn't have had time to drive him crazy. It still would have been hard to drop it, but not impossible.

edit: I am SUCH a nerd.

Sauron had his personal magic, massive amounts of conventional forces (who can all hunt with bow and arrow), and many interesting, powerful, and dark creatures at his whim. Some of what is explicitly mentioned could arguably work equally well against flying intruders, such as the Two Watchers of Cirith Ungol. And there are many more dark powers alluded to but not elaborated upon. Even the Crebain of Saruman, in massed force, may have been a match against the eagles, and there is no reason to think that Sauron did not have equivalent creatures at his disposal.

In other words, it's sufficient to imagine that at least one of these tools would have been a match against the eagles, had they attempted to fly directly into Mordor. Remember that the full might of Sauron's forces are covering Mordor during this time, and his power is waxing. Yes, the wraiths are limping home, but they are not Sauron's only servants. The eagles are only able to fly into Mordor to rescue the hobbits after Sauron has been defeated, whatever magical barriers he had erected crumbled, and his servants and armies are fleeing the lands (after having already massed at the black gates and away from the interior of Mordor).

This doesn't even take into account the possibility of more political means, such as Sauron subverting some or most of the eagles to fight for him, or to at least remain neutral. Their allegiance is spotty and their politics aloof, based on what little we know of them from the source material.

 

[Tdc2182]

Twilight saga. Just... the whole saga.

How could so many teenage girls overlook all this stuff?

Not exactly a plot hole but an 18 year old falls in love with a three year old...so... yeah.

No no no, the whole thing IS a plot hole. How can the Vampires constantly change their identities? Why is there no sun AT ALL ever in that little city? Not to mention that Stephene Meyer pulls a deaus ex machina every third chapter, making even more plot holes. Confused!

I don't know, I've never read the books, I was just told that by my mom

 

[Sparecash]

I never understood why in District 9 the aliens were such wimps and never fought back against their human oppressors, despite the fact they had a gi-normous ship (which undoubtedly would be filled with totally awesome alien technology), far better weapons (despite looking like fancy Nerf guns), and they were extremely strong and agile - and there was apparently A QUARTER OF A MILLION OF THEM.

There is an answer to that, but unfortunately it just opens another holes

Spoiler

It is implied throughout the movie that just about every living prawn on earth was a "worker" or "drone", while the more intelligent aliens seemed to have died prior to the arrival on earth (with the exception of at least Christopher). For one thing, they may be just too "dumb" to use their weapons (although that is not likely, since you see prawns using human weapons and even one commanding one of the mechs).
More likely all the aliens are used to have a strict, insect-like chain of command, and as thier "leaders" died, they were very confused and frightened and pretty much unable to do a bit of thinking of their own, so they are easily ordered around by the seemingly helpful humans...

But i'd like to add a bit of my own theory

Spoiler

First off, as said, the Humans USED to be helpful and nice to the aliens at first. And since the aliens have no idea about anything regarding earth, they just know what the humans allowed them to see. And the aliens were probably too grateful and naive to start to think about how they can make themselves autonomous. So as the humans became more abusive, the aliens were pretty much completely dependent on their new Human Overlords (*g*)
And second, so yes, there are a quarter million aliens with awesome, powerful weapons. That still does not make them invincible. They don't have impenetrable shields or something, so the first thing the humans probably do when the aliens start to turn against them is to blow them away with a few bombers. Since the humans outnumber the aliens by far, and since the aliens are stored conveniently at one place, a "prawn resistance" would hardly survive for a month

In the beginning of the movie it explains how all the aliens were trapped because an important part of their ship broke off when coming to Earth. So when people cut them out of there ship, they were near death and in no shape to demand respect. When they were finally fed and sectioned off, they were still living off of scraps and all their guns (or at least most of them) had been taken. If i remember correctly, they didn't even have a lot of guns to begin with.
Then there were the African mobsters who often enslaved and took advantage of the aliens. The aliens had never dealt with humans before, so how could they know how to react. The constant beatings they took probably didn't help.

Also they were high off cat food most of the time. This might sound like a stupid reason, but if they were willing to sell a mech-robot-thing for some cat food, it must be pretty damn addicting.