[Politics] Nazis Attack LGBT Pride Parade

[TheIronRuler]

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There is a certain pattern to that, you know. The farther you go the left the more scientific and the more theoretical will the ideologies get. Marxism is a science, rather than a doctrine and so are most other, more obscure leftist theories. However, the farther you go to the right, the more will you drift into spritiualism, occultism, religion and other form of superstition and the less connection will these ideologies have to factual, material reality. Even past Hitler and Mussolini, the two grandfathers of the modern far right, rightist philosopher like Evola, or, for a modern and rather influential example, Aleksandr Dugin (Look him up, he's had great influence on neofascist propaganda mouthpiece Lauren Southern) promote a worldview that religious much more than political, an apocalyptic totalitarian dogma hiding behing notions of national and ethnic identity.

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I like this paragraph.

Stalin was a cutthroat propelled into stardom by a string of brutal acts of violence against the whites, calculated political maneuvering around fellow generals and the nagging paranoid belief that the same can be done to him... A frightening man.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TK9c-caEcw

Do you remember the Kulaks? Pepperidge farms remember.

I do place him on the same pedestal as hitler though. I do believe he had earned that dishonor and notoriety. In the same cesspool as Nguema, Trujillo and Pol Pot... The body-count doesn't need to be the key factor in determining your target of scorn. It is often the acts they participated in, encouraged or allowed that determine it...

 

[TheIronRuler]

It's opium

This is first time I ever heard about opium being brought up to be an issue here. What is this? The 19th century?

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The opioid epidemic is a name for the rampant consumption of drugs - prescribed or obtained via the black market - which are produced from the poppy plant. Opium is one of the first iterations of the drug. Modern drugs are distilled differently (you can produce heroin and codein from poppy, for example) and their compounds can differ from Opium (there are similar synthetics, for example Pethidine and Fentanyl), but it's essentially the same damn thing... it's highly addictive.

This drug brought down a hundreds year old massive Empire which dominated east Asia. It can punch way above its weight.

 

[ObsidianJones_v1legacy]

Don't worry, this isn't an impulse purchase (that would be impossible anyway, MA has a lot of barriers to purchase for exactly that kind of reason. Also, firearm training isn't optional in MA, you need to go through it if you want a gun license. I've done my research on this front) I've been sitting on this one for a long time.

And when I say "when I have my loans and car payments taking care of" I mean "I'm going to do this in three years." Trust me, this isn't impulsive.

And as much as I get that they want a war, well Ghandi suggested that if Nazis come up to you, you should just let them kill you. Ghandi was full of shit. I have never been the type of person who goes looking for a fight. But if someone kicks my door in with intent to do harm, well, I'm not going to die for the sake of holding the moral high ground. And I mentioned that I was going to be buying a safe, that's because whenever I am not using it, it's going to be locked up in a place that only I know.

Trust me, I'll be doing a lot of talking to people when my loans are paid off and I'm actually going to start taking steps towards the purchase. Which, again, is going to be a couple of years. And don't worry, I've been very critical of those who treat guns like toys instead of tools of death. I'm not a hypocrite.

Ok, you seem to have it sorted out.

I'm sorry to welcome you into this life. But I'm glad we have more with their head screwed on.

 

[Erttheking]

Ok, you seem to have it sorted out.

I'm sorry to welcome you into this life. But I'm glad we have more with their head screwed on.

I appreciate you wanting me to have my head clear when doing this. Thank you.

 

[Batou667]

"A man is due to appear in court after allegedly causing a stampede at a gay pride parade in the US which left seven people needing hospital treatment.

The man, named in US media as 38-year-old Aftabjit Singh, allegedly waved a BB gun, which fires small metal ball projectiles, in the capital Washington on Saturday.

A number of people reported hearing gunshots before the crowd fled.

However, officials maintain there is no evidence that shots were fired.

A police report - cited by the Associated Press news agency - said the man took the weapon out after noticing someone "hitting his significant other"."
Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48577355

This Sikh-sounding gentleman is obviously part of a very deep Nazi false-flag operation.

 

[CaitSeith]

It's opium

This is first time I ever heard about opium being brought up to be an issue here. What is this? The 19th century?

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The opioid epidemic is a name for the rampant consumption of drugs - prescribed or obtained via the black market - which are produced from the poppy plant. Opium is one of the first iterations of the drug. Modern drugs are distilled differently (you can produce heroin and codein from poppy, for example) and their compounds can differ from Opium (there are similar synthetics, for example Pethidine and Fentanyl), but it's essentially the same damn thing... it's highly addictive.

This drug brought down a hundreds year old massive Empire which dominated east Asia. It can punch way above its weight.

I'm aware of the opioid crisis; but this is the first time I hear blaming opium directly. Mainly because the main offenders are the synthetic ones.

 

[Saelune]

We just celebrated D-Day. A celebration about violently attacking Nazis. That's what celebrating D-Day is about, it is about attacking Nazis. Do you think D-Day was bad?

Generally, any celebration related to WW2 is a celebration of the war ending or coming closer to ending. Operation Overlord was integral in allowing the Western Allies to conduct operations to directly bring an end to the war in Europe and thus liberating the occupied and oppressed people. That's what we are celebrating.

There's absolutely nothing glorious or righteous about thousands upon thousands of young men being maimed or dying in agony, no matter which side of the conflict those men were on. Hitler and the rest of the Nazis will always be the people responsible for 50 million people dying in Europe because of WW2, and while I am thankful that the Allies and USSR stepped up to stop them, I think we should be really careful about canonizing the people who fought them. We should honor them for their sacrifice, but that's not the same as saying that attacking a Nazi is always a good thing. Because violence begets violence and by extolling the virtue of exercising violence on our opponents, we are also falling into the same kind of rhetoric that the Nazis used. From there, we are really close to being just as bad as anyone else that thinks violence against their enemies, real or imaginary, is alright.

It really isn't. Most celebrations of WW2 are nationalistic circle-jerks, but then, most celebrations of the military are never for the soldiers involved.

But also you're saying the ends justify the means. I mean, I agree in this case, but I think there is a lot of virtue signaling that never wants to consider the between parts. WW2 ended with violence. There is no way the Nazis were going to be defeated by anything except violence. I do not think that truth has changed.

I also think for all the people claiming violence is the wrong way to deal with Nazis, I think a lot of those people secretly don't mind when Nazis get punched in the face, but they want to virtue signal that they personally are 'above violence' even to people who perhaps deserve it, so they can feel good that a Nazi got punched, but also feel good cause it wasn't then doing the punching. Either way, the Nazi is punched, and the person criticizing it is 'virtuous' for being anti-violence. Similar to how Republicans can pretend to condemn bigotry while letting the bigots do what they want. They pretend to care when a LGBT nightclub gets shot up, but do nothing about it, so they can pretend they are above the violence, while also having less 'sinful queers' infesting the world.

Nazis are bullies, and they want to see where the line is, so they can edge up to the line. Then they see people not stopping them, and see the line is further in their favor, and so they keep inching forward, and they will keep doing it until either A) Everyone they want eradicated is eradicated, or B) They themselves are eradicated.

Tolerating intolerance will only let intolerance fester and grow.

 

[TheIronRuler]

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I'm aware of the opioid crisis; but this is the first time I hear blaming opium directly. Mainly because the main offenders are the synthetic ones.

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There's only so much poppy you can export from Afghanistan and Pakistan via India, you've got to start making your own at the lab...

I use the term because it evokes the effects of Opium on China. It does for me, at least.
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"A man is due to appear in court after allegedly causing a stampede at a gay pride parade in the US which left seven people needing hospital treatment.

The man, named in US media as 38-year-old Aftabjit Singh, allegedly waved a BB gun, which fires small metal ball projectiles, in the capital Washington on Saturday.

A number of people reported hearing gunshots before the crowd fled.

However, officials maintain there is no evidence that shots were fired.

A police report - cited by the Associated Press news agency - said the man took the weapon out after noticing someone "hitting his significant other"."
Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48577355

This Sikh-sounding gentleman is obviously part of a very deep Nazi false-flag operation.

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That's some tinfoil stuff right here... What else do you have to say?

 

[Saelune]

Call up the boys, resurrect the Black Panthers and use your god-given right to carry firearms and scare the crap out of white people.

Legally owned and licensed firearms, held by organized law-keeping black citizens for the safety of their communities.

Police wouldn't risk starting a riot, they'd rather protect the nazis from getting lynched.

Y'know when Nazis marched in New York in the 30s Lansky was asked low-key by the US government to crash their rallies and beat them to pieces...

https://allthatsinteresting.com/meyer-lansky-punch-a-nazi

He delivered.

This shouldn't be made illegal by any means. Let this surface, identify the ring-leaders and plan retribution. If you allow this to bubble under your feet you will lose track of the movement.

I regularly play devil's advocate here when "white nationalists" (as if that's a thing, bitter poor whites turning to populism for salvation) gets conflated with nazis. It's more productive to have a dialogue with these people and understand why they are lashing out (hint: It's opium, mechanization and globalization), and maybe even address these issues... These nazis? Break them.

This is why I have the problems with you that I do. There is no dialogue to be had with Nazis. They had their chance in 1938 and have proven they want only evil.

If they want a dialogue, it is on THEM to come to US with one. But they wont, cause they want to KILL US ALL. They are the bad guys, they choose to be the bad guys, and it is up to the good guys to stand up to them.

 

[Saelune]

Don't worry, this isn't an impulse purchase (that would be impossible anyway, MA has a lot of barriers to purchase for exactly that kind of reason. Also, firearm training isn't optional in MA, you need to go through it if you want a gun license. I've done my research on this front) I've been sitting on this one for a long time.

And when I say "when I have my loans and car payments taking care of" I mean "I'm going to do this in three years." Trust me, this isn't impulsive.

And as much as I get that they want a war, well Ghandi suggested that if Nazis come up to you, you should just let them kill you. Ghandi was full of shit. I have never been the type of person who goes looking for a fight. But if someone kicks my door in with intent to do harm, well, I'm not going to die for the sake of holding the moral high ground. And I mentioned that I was going to be buying a safe, that's because whenever I am not using it, it's going to be locked up in a place that only I know.

Trust me, I'll be doing a lot of talking to people when my loans are paid off and I'm actually going to start taking steps towards the purchase. Which, again, is going to be a couple of years. And don't worry, I've been very critical of those who treat guns like toys instead of tools of death. I'm not a hypocrite.

Ok, you seem to have it sorted out.

I'm sorry to welcome you into this life. But I'm glad we have more with their head screwed on.

If the NRA was about arming up against Nazis, I might not hate them, but they are about arming the people who side with Nazis. Nazis and the KKK are why I don't want guns to be as open and free as they are. No, it will not stop them from getting guns, but it would be nice if when they had guns, we knew it was because they are the bad guys. Instead of cops protecting KKK and Nazis, they should be stopping them.

 

[TheIronRuler]

Don't worry, this isn't an impulse purchase (that would be impossible anyway, MA has a lot of barriers to purchase for exactly that kind of reason. Also, firearm training isn't optional in MA, you need to go through it if you want a gun license. I've done my research on this front) I've been sitting on this one for a long time.

And when I say "when I have my loans and car payments taking care of" I mean "I'm going to do this in three years." Trust me, this isn't impulsive.

And as much as I get that they want a war, well Ghandi suggested that if Nazis come up to you, you should just let them kill you. Ghandi was full of shit. I have never been the type of person who goes looking for a fight. But if someone kicks my door in with intent to do harm, well, I'm not going to die for the sake of holding the moral high ground. And I mentioned that I was going to be buying a safe, that's because whenever I am not using it, it's going to be locked up in a place that only I know.

Trust me, I'll be doing a lot of talking to people when my loans are paid off and I'm actually going to start taking steps towards the purchase. Which, again, is going to be a couple of years. And don't worry, I've been very critical of those who treat guns like toys instead of tools of death. I'm not a hypocrite.

Ok, you seem to have it sorted out.

I'm sorry to welcome you into this life. But I'm glad we have more with their head screwed on.

If the NRA was about arming up against Nazis, I might not hate them, but they are about arming the people who side with Nazis. Nazis and the KKK are why I don't want guns to be as open and free as they are. No, it will not stop them from getting guns, but it would be nice if when they had guns, we knew it was because they are the bad guys. Instead of cops protecting KKK and Nazis, they should be stopping them.

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Black Panthers. Look it up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KD3uemBXG74
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeWPp81ankc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHWGAEF5GGA

Don't be useful idiots. Don't allow the government to take away more of your freedoms for your perceived safety. Take action, as is customary in your own nation.
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Call up the boys, resurrect the Black Panthers and use your god-given right to carry firearms and scare the crap out of white people.

Legally owned and licensed firearms, held by organized law-keeping black citizens for the safety of their communities.

Police wouldn't risk starting a riot, they'd rather protect the nazis from getting lynched.

Y'know when Nazis marched in New York in the 30s Lansky was asked low-key by the US government to crash their rallies and beat them to pieces...

https://allthatsinteresting.com/meyer-lansky-punch-a-nazi

He delivered.

This shouldn't be made illegal by any means. Let this surface, identify the ring-leaders and plan retribution. If you allow this to bubble under your feet you will lose track of the movement.

I regularly play devil's advocate here when "white nationalists" (as if that's a thing, bitter poor whites turning to populism for salvation) gets conflated with nazis. It's more productive to have a dialogue with these people and understand why they are lashing out (hint: It's opium, mechanization and globalization), and maybe even address these issues... These nazis? Break them.

This is why I have the problems with you that I do. There is no dialogue to be had with Nazis. They had their chance in 1938 and have proven they want only evil.

If they want a dialogue, it is on THEM to come to US with one. But they wont, cause they want to KILL US ALL. They are the bad guys, they choose to be the bad guys, and it is up to the good guys to stand up to them.

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If there is no dialogue there is only conflict, and if you do not reach a hand out to those people you have forfeit them all.

 

[Schadrach]

Don't worry, this isn't an impulse purchase (that would be impossible anyway, MA has a lot of barriers to purchase for exactly that kind of reason. Also, firearm training isn't optional in MA, you need to go through it if you want a gun license. I've done my research on this front) I've been sitting on this one for a long time.

And when I say "when I have my loans and car payments taking care of" I mean "I'm going to do this in three years." Trust me, this isn't impulsive.

By comparison in my state if I wanted to legally concealed carry a pistol (or open carry for that matter) I'd just need to do what federal law mandates to buy the gun (as in the background check). We have legal open and concealed carry with no permits, just a minimum age requirement.

It's opium

This is first time I ever heard about opium being brought up to be an issue here. What is this? The 19th century?

By which he means "opiates", as in opium derived drugs like heroin (that seems to be the popular one here lately - that and oxy).

 

[Saelune]

Don't worry, this isn't an impulse purchase (that would be impossible anyway, MA has a lot of barriers to purchase for exactly that kind of reason. Also, firearm training isn't optional in MA, you need to go through it if you want a gun license. I've done my research on this front) I've been sitting on this one for a long time.

And when I say "when I have my loans and car payments taking care of" I mean "I'm going to do this in three years." Trust me, this isn't impulsive.

And as much as I get that they want a war, well Ghandi suggested that if Nazis come up to you, you should just let them kill you. Ghandi was full of shit. I have never been the type of person who goes looking for a fight. But if someone kicks my door in with intent to do harm, well, I'm not going to die for the sake of holding the moral high ground. And I mentioned that I was going to be buying a safe, that's because whenever I am not using it, it's going to be locked up in a place that only I know.

Trust me, I'll be doing a lot of talking to people when my loans are paid off and I'm actually going to start taking steps towards the purchase. Which, again, is going to be a couple of years. And don't worry, I've been very critical of those who treat guns like toys instead of tools of death. I'm not a hypocrite.

Ok, you seem to have it sorted out.

I'm sorry to welcome you into this life. But I'm glad we have more with their head screwed on.

If the NRA was about arming up against Nazis, I might not hate them, but they are about arming the people who side with Nazis. Nazis and the KKK are why I don't want guns to be as open and free as they are. No, it will not stop them from getting guns, but it would be nice if when they had guns, we knew it was because they are the bad guys. Instead of cops protecting KKK and Nazis, they should be stopping them.

.
Black Panthers. Look it up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KD3uemBXG74
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeWPp81ankc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHWGAEF5GGA

Don't be useful idiots. Don't allow the government to take away more of your freedoms for your perceived safety. Take action, as is customary in your own nation.
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Call up the boys, resurrect the Black Panthers and use your god-given right to carry firearms and scare the crap out of white people.

Legally owned and licensed firearms, held by organized law-keeping black citizens for the safety of their communities.

Police wouldn't risk starting a riot, they'd rather protect the nazis from getting lynched.

Y'know when Nazis marched in New York in the 30s Lansky was asked low-key by the US government to crash their rallies and beat them to pieces...

https://allthatsinteresting.com/meyer-lansky-punch-a-nazi

He delivered.

This shouldn't be made illegal by any means. Let this surface, identify the ring-leaders and plan retribution. If you allow this to bubble under your feet you will lose track of the movement.

I regularly play devil's advocate here when "white nationalists" (as if that's a thing, bitter poor whites turning to populism for salvation) gets conflated with nazis. It's more productive to have a dialogue with these people and understand why they are lashing out (hint: It's opium, mechanization and globalization), and maybe even address these issues... These nazis? Break them.

This is why I have the problems with you that I do. There is no dialogue to be had with Nazis. They had their chance in 1938 and have proven they want only evil.

If they want a dialogue, it is on THEM to come to US with one. But they wont, cause they want to KILL US ALL. They are the bad guys, they choose to be the bad guys, and it is up to the good guys to stand up to them.

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If there is no dialogue there is only conflict, and if you do not reach a hand out to those people you have forfeit them all.

Remember when the Black Panthers murdered over 16 million people in concentration camps? Me neither.

Know what happaned when we opened a dialogue with Nazis before? They invaded Poland.

You are wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong, and your wrongness only allowes Nazis to keep being a problem.

 

[Erttheking]

Don't worry, this isn't an impulse purchase (that would be impossible anyway, MA has a lot of barriers to purchase for exactly that kind of reason. Also, firearm training isn't optional in MA, you need to go through it if you want a gun license. I've done my research on this front) I've been sitting on this one for a long time.

And when I say "when I have my loans and car payments taking care of" I mean "I'm going to do this in three years." Trust me, this isn't impulsive.

By comparison in my state if I wanted to legally concealed carry a pistol (or open carry for that matter) I'd just need to do what federal law mandates to buy the gun (as in the background check). We have legal open and concealed carry with no permits, just a minimum age requirement.

I think I prefer my state.

 

[TheIronRuler]

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Remember when the Black Panthers murdered over 16 million people in concentration camps? Me neither.

Know what happaned when we opened a dialogue with Nazis before? They invaded Poland.

You are wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong, and your wrongness only allowes Nazis to keep being a problem.

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You misunderstand. Firstly, I am very much aware of the history of Europe during that time. I've been hit by the head with it since I was at primary school. Secondly, as I've said before, you conflate 'nazis' with other nationalist and populist groups which only serves to drive them towards the nazi cause. Open dialogue, understand their difficulties, and reconcile them. They turn to that extreme ideology out of desperation and anger. Trump won because he harassed that helplessness (and because he was a great campaigner). You risk alienating these communities, and you actively do, when you run around foaming at the mouth about Trump, the right wing and 'nazis'. Don't make the ideology illegal - confront it with force, as I've suggest above already twice and you seem to have misunderstood me twice. Black Panthers were a movement to defend the black community in the US, since in many places the police refused to do so. Gun laws are in place for a reason - and you too could have a trained militia, dedicated to patrolling the streets of your neighborhood and keeping you safe. Do not allow the government to exert force on these groups, because the permissions they will receive from the public will not be revoked, and they could be used at the discretion of any US government against groups it wants to put down. It was how the NSA and surveillance on citizens were approved following the 9/11 terror attacks. Siding with the government can have you give away your rights for perceived protection from these 'nazis'.

I know what happened when 'we' opened dialogue with the Nazis. They were allowed to annex the Saarland, and re-militarize the Rhineland without much protest. By the time of Ribbentrop-Molotov and the invasion of Poland Germany was not someone you could have a dialogue with. The strange last attempt of any dialogue was Rudolf Hess flying over to the UK and getting his ass landed in prison.

You are wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, and your wrongness only divides your country further, pushing people ever closer to extremes.

 

[Saelune]

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Remember when the Black Panthers murdered over 16 million people in concentration camps? Me neither.

Know what happaned when we opened a dialogue with Nazis before? They invaded Poland.

You are wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong, and your wrongness only allowes Nazis to keep being a problem.

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You misunderstand. Firstly, I am very much aware of the history of Europe during that time. I've been hit by the head with it since I was at primary school. Secondly, as I've said before, you conflate 'nazis' with other nationalist and populist groups which only serves to drive them towards the nazi cause. Open dialogue, understand their difficulties, and reconcile them. They turn to that extreme ideology out of desperation and anger. Trump won because he harassed that helplessness (and because he was a great campaigner). You risk alienating these communities, and you actively do, when you run around foaming at the mouth about Trump, the right wing and 'nazis'. Don't make the ideology illegal - confront it with force, as I've suggest above already twice and you seem to have misunderstood me twice. Black Panthers were a movement to defend the black community in the US, since in many places the police refused to do so. Gun laws are in place for a reason - and you too could have a trained militia, dedicated to patrolling the streets of your neighborhood and keeping you safe. Do not allow the government to exert force on these groups, because the permissions they will receive from the public will not be revoked, and they could be used at the discretion of any US government against groups it wants to put down. It was how the NSA and surveillance on citizens were approved following the 9/11 terror attacks. Siding with the government can have you give away your rights for perceived protection from these 'nazis'.

I know what happened when 'we' opened dialogue with the Nazis. They were allowed to annex the Saarland, and re-militarize the Rhineland without much protest. By the time of Ribbentrop-Molotov and the invasion of Poland Germany was not someone you could have a dialogue with. The strange last attempt of any dialogue was Rudolf Hess flying over to the UK and getting his ass landed in prison.

You are wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, and your wrongness only divides your country further, pushing people ever closer to extremes.

Ugh, got an error, lost my original reply.

You're victim blaming. You're NOT blaming the bad guys. You're telling the victims to bend over for their abusers, and that is beyond unfair of you. THEY made the division, not us. THEY said 'Kill all Jews/Blacks/LGBT people' not us. You are blaming the wrong people, and that is not ok.


If they want to beg for forgiveness, they can come to us and beg for it. Crazy thing is, I will give it to them, I am very willing to forgive people who ask for it. Most of them arent willing to do it, and that is not my fault.

It is your line of thinking that is the problem, it is the reason Nazis are still a problem after 70 years still.

 

[CaitSeith]

Don't worry, this isn't an impulse purchase (that would be impossible anyway, MA has a lot of barriers to purchase for exactly that kind of reason. Also, firearm training isn't optional in MA, you need to go through it if you want a gun license. I've done my research on this front) I've been sitting on this one for a long time.

And when I say "when I have my loans and car payments taking care of" I mean "I'm going to do this in three years." Trust me, this isn't impulsive.

By comparison in my state if I wanted to legally concealed carry a pistol (or open carry for that matter) I'd just need to do what federal law mandates to buy the gun (as in the background check). We have legal open and concealed carry with no permits, just a minimum age requirement.

It's opium

This is first time I ever heard about opium being brought up to be an issue here. What is this? The 19th century?

By which he means "opiates", as in opium derived drugs like heroin (that seems to be the popular one here lately - that and oxy).

Sure, but the most problematic ones are the synthetic opioids, which their overdose death ratio has spiked very recently at a pretty fast pace. That's why it confused me.

 

[TheIronRuler]

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Remember when the Black Panthers murdered over 16 million people in concentration camps? Me neither.

Know what happaned when we opened a dialogue with Nazis before? They invaded Poland.

You are wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong, and your wrongness only allowes Nazis to keep being a problem.

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You misunderstand. Firstly, I am very much aware of the history of Europe during that time. I've been hit by the head with it since I was at primary school. Secondly, as I've said before, you conflate 'nazis' with other nationalist and populist groups which only serves to drive them towards the nazi cause. Open dialogue, understand their difficulties, and reconcile them. They turn to that extreme ideology out of desperation and anger. Trump won because he harassed that helplessness (and because he was a great campaigner). You risk alienating these communities, and you actively do, when you run around foaming at the mouth about Trump, the right wing and 'nazis'. Don't make the ideology illegal - confront it with force, as I've suggest above already twice and you seem to have misunderstood me twice. Black Panthers were a movement to defend the black community in the US, since in many places the police refused to do so. Gun laws are in place for a reason - and you too could have a trained militia, dedicated to patrolling the streets of your neighborhood and keeping you safe. Do not allow the government to exert force on these groups, because the permissions they will receive from the public will not be revoked, and they could be used at the discretion of any US government against groups it wants to put down. It was how the NSA and surveillance on citizens were approved following the 9/11 terror attacks. Siding with the government can have you give away your rights for perceived protection from these 'nazis'.

I know what happened when 'we' opened dialogue with the Nazis. They were allowed to annex the Saarland, and re-militarize the Rhineland without much protest. By the time of Ribbentrop-Molotov and the invasion of Poland Germany was not someone you could have a dialogue with. The strange last attempt of any dialogue was Rudolf Hess flying over to the UK and getting his ass landed in prison.

You are wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, and your wrongness only divides your country further, pushing people ever closer to extremes.

Ugh, got an error, lost my original reply.

You're victim blaming. You're NOT blaming the bad guys. You're telling the victims to bend over for their abusers, and that is beyond unfair of you. THEY made the division, not us. THEY said 'Kill all Jews/Blacks/LGBT people' not us. You are blaming the wrong people, and that is not ok.


If they want to beg for forgiveness, they can come to us and beg for it. Crazy thing is, I will give it to them, I am very willing to forgive people who ask for it. Most of them arent willing to do it, and that is not my fault.

It is your line of thinking that is the problem, it is the reason Nazis are still a problem after 70 years still.

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At least try to address any of my points.

 

[CaitSeith]

You conflate 'nazis' with other nationalist and populist groups which only serves to drive them towards the nazi cause.

You are laying a nasty Catch-22. If those groups have all the same goals and ideologies than the nazi, then they are just nazis with a different color. If all that was it needed for them to join is Saelune's accusations, then they were just waiting for an excuse (and nazis will just make up one for them when there is none). And a pretty big issue is that those groups do no effort to keep nazis away from them, which ends up in radicalizing their members, no matter what the left does.

 

[TheIronRuler]

You conflate 'nazis' with other nationalist and populist groups which only serves to drive them towards the nazi cause.

You are laying a nasty Catch-22. If those groups have all the same goals and ideologies than the nazi, then they are just nazis with a different color. If all that was it needed for them to join is Saelune's accusations, then they were just waiting for an excuse (and nazis will just make up one for them when there is none). And a pretty big issue is that those groups do no effort to keep nazis away from them, which ends up in radicalizing their members, no matter what the left does.

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Yes. If only Saelune would stop accusing them, there will be no more nazis.

I sense hostility because I ask to treat these people as reasonable humans, that can be convinced to stop what they're doing... and understand their mistakes. If you read my earlier posts, you could understand better my suggestions.

You seem to have trouble with reading comprehension when it comes to my posts. Maybe it's just because English isn't my first language, I don't know. Could be because you refuse to actually try to understand my points at all.