[Politics] Trump and Concentration Camps
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Dumb? Sure. Does not work? Well, I like my extinguishers.Saelune said:
Usually isn't, but it actually can be. But that's going into actual combating of real fires.
Then where the hell is my violence production? Clearly mine are broken! But for a serious reply, no, they do not. The creator of any violence is the person engaging in a violent act.
More concerned with how I can use a firearm to stop a violent incident. I don't exactly think hugs are going to stop armed home invaders, general thugs, Nazis, you know.
Like I've said before. If you're shooting at actual goosestepping Krauts who are initiating violence, absolutely nobody in their right mind is going to fault you. Of course, that goes the same for if you're initiating violence against someone else.
Fox News is shit. What else is new? Left-Wingers are consistently hypocritical and that gets no flak from you, at least as far as I can remember.
Shall not be infringed. Change the Second Amendment if you disagree.
When one is privileged, equality can feel like oppression.
I am not okay with any form of child torture or abuse. Take that as you will.
You're brushing the topic under the rug. Taking issue with foreign nationals wiping their ass with our immigration laws is not racism. Do you know anything at all about Mexican history? At this point you're basically saying "That's white, that's brown, that's black", and kind of ignoring various groups and ethnic makeups in the region. We're more than just a goddamn skin color, which a lot of us don't even fucking share!
Lawyer's letter comes in the mail, and everybody shuts up. Hmmmm...
I'm not as versed on the matter, but I consider it him promising a miracle. If he was going to save their jobs with our money, I'd actually be just as pissed.
I like people being able to stand up to tyrants. Can't do that with slingshots. The Government doesn't give equality. Being armed to the teeth tends to make people think twice about stepping on you.
Libertarians? You know the NAP is a thing, right?
We'll see what comes of Iran.
RussiaGate is a conspiracy theory.
That Right-wingers believe what they say. No wait, that isn't new either. That's been happening for years, and that's the reason why so many fools defend and excuse even the worst of GOPs actions (like the ones that lead to the current concentration camps).Leg End said:
Hrmmm... in a sense.Leg End said:
However, if we have (say) a machine used to assemble boxes, it's perfectly reasonable to say the machine makes boxes. You might quibble and state that the person operating the machine is the one "making" the box, but the machine obviously vastly amplifies that person's ability to make the box, so to pretend that the machine has not played an integral part in bringing that box to fruition is nonsense.
Ditto, guns. The gun has vastly amplified the person's ability to perpetrate violence, and the gun has blatantly played an integral part in bringing the violence to fruition.
Take that literally, and toddlers can buy guns. Murderers in prison can buy guns in their cells.Leg End said:
Quoting the wording is not an argument. Everybody in their right mind recognises some form of restriction; the disagreement is where that restriction lies. Don't imagine it's some kind of absolute rule, self-evident in the words "shall not infringe", and the debate ends there.
That or some of us are comparing them to the time America actually had concentration camps.undeadsuitor said:
It's a clear argument that it's a constitutional right.Silvanus said:
Well, not this guy right here.
Sure, we all have disagreement on whether to restrict or not, and to what extent.
It does, unless you want to open up the can of worms for violating the constitution on a whim. That'd be a really fun thing to just have happen under this presidency, eh?
It's not just nazi death camps that they aren't. It's any definition of concentration camp. If you have the option to not go to the facility, it isn't a concentration camp. There's no such thing as a voluntary concentration camp.undeadsuitor said:
It's a clear argument that some interpretation of that statement is attested in the US constitution, yes, though that wasn't the topic of discussion.Leg End said:
...What, you don't recognise any restriction on arms sales whatsoever? Not on age, or whether somebody is currently on the run from the law?Leg End said:
By this rationale, every lawmaker in the land who refuses to countenance arms sales to pre-schoolers is violating the constitution.Leg End said:
Verbatim quoting little contextless snippets of law and imagining they represent absolute legal truths is utterly untenable, and that position is not held by a single lawmaker in the country, including the most die-hard Libertarian.
...How did we even get on this topic again?Silvanus said:
I think they're stupid and unconstitutional.
That's a discussion on the concept of the Age of Majority and the constitutional rights of those accused of a crime, convicted of a crime, and/or fugitives of the law. See: Fourteenth Amendment. One of those hot button ones.
See above.
You seriously underestimate some people, and a lot more when it comes to US citizens and the Bill of Rights. Checking out on this subtopic and hoping someone makes an actual thread for it, because it seems this forum just loves gun topics coming in out of nowhere.
Eh, fair enough.undeadsuitor said:
Chiefly? On one hand, you have the forceful detainment and relocation of largely US citizens with even "one drop of Japanese blood" into these camps, where they basically rotted because of disgusting racism and the idea that, by their race, they were all potential or probable foreign spies and actors.
On the other hand, you have foreign nationals illegally entering the country and being detained at these centers in the interim until they're forked over elsewhere, which are not designed nor are prepared for the amount of people they're holding. If you seriously don't see the difference, I don't really have much else to say.