Poll: 40k: Time for a change?

[Daye.04]

He has never played as tyranids or guard. I must have over 100 infantry modles.

Well, even though I don't have to, I do paint more than 100 units. I love painting.

Ogres for me

I allways thought ogres were awsome. But they just seemed to plain for me. When I was trying to decide what to paint, I narrowed (This was after more than a couple of months, mind you) it down to Ogres, Orcs or Skaven. Ogres were out, because they just seemed to plain.

I love 40K for the fluff but I collect WHF figures. Swords just look cooler especially the standard Orc Choppa. Looks like they just wrenched a piece of scrap metal off a ship and taped on a handle.

Yeah, I love how brutal it looks. That's what I love about some skaven weaponary too. It just looks so brutal and last-minute-made. I mean half of their technology is stolen from the dwarves =P

wooo, skaven. You as excited about the new army book as you should be?

I don't know. I have one army book. Think I might have heard of a newer one, though. When did/does this new army book come?
Also. If it is not the one I have, I'm going to be excited through my pants if it contains more story

 

[sanzo]

wooo, skaven. You as excited about the new army book as you should be?

I don't know. I have one army book. Think I might have heard of a newer one, though. When did/does this new army book come?
Also. If it is not the one I have, I'm going to be excited through my pants if it contains more story

I believe it should be late May or early June. I'll ask the next time I go to my local hobby shop. I've heard, mostly hearsay, that they might be bringing back the Skaven equivalent of a greater daemon, which would be awesome

 

[MrSnugglesworth]

Wait, I just understood Nothing you just said. In the first two paragraphs at least.

 

[Sergeant M. Fudgey]

I love the books, but the events in them never actually amount to anything, universe wise. I think that SOMETHING should happen, probably because of the Eldar, because everything is their fault. However, I'm not saying that any race should get a massive advantage.

 

[McClaud]

I agree

Something big and badass has to happen - like the emperor's second coming etc (maybe the emperor could inexplicably come back and then it'd turn out that a chaos god had revived him in order to re-establish a balance)

Any change in the Emperor would result in massive fragmentation of the Imperium. People who believed it, people who did not, people who interpreted it differently. The carnage would be beautiful.

The emperor himself is, at this point, a warp god. I doubt he needs the Golden Throne anymore, but the masses of people sacrificed to him each day likely serve to empower him. Or he thinks it's funny, hard to say.


Defenestra

Even if the Emperor doesn't need the Golden Throne and the Empire anymore, the Empire (and the mechanics of the game) need him.

Why hasn't anyone pointed out to these people that the Emperor is the one who powers the Astronomicon? You know, the beacon that allows the Astronavigators to know where they are in warp space and where to emerge to get somewhere? And it's still not 100% safe, even with the Emperor there.

Take the Emperor away, and the Empire can no longer function. It can't travel anywhere, since warp travel is way too dangerous without the beacon. This disrupts the little trade and resource exchange that barely keeps the Space Marines going at this point. Which would then lead to the total annihilation of the humans as a playable army in the game (both IG and SM).

It's also believed that the God Emperor's aura is essential to the Necrons' ability to find human colonies. And that even Chaos Marines use the Astronomicon to some degree in the Warp.

That's why the Emperor will never awake/die/disappear. Because then the established mythos of the entire 40k universe would collapse.

 

[Daye.04]

I believe it should be late May or early June. I'll ask the next time I go to my local hobby shop. I've heard, mostly hearsay, that they might be bringing back the Skaven equivalent of a greater daemon, which would be awesome

Good thing I'm not totally lost behind a wagon.
But as long sa the equivilent still has the Skaven feel of it, I'm happy. If they start doing some kind of crazy shit, I'll be angry. The Skaven setup is fine just the way it is now. I know it's reasonalbe that Skaven has any kind of stuff coming, considering their four clans. But I still want it to be really Skaven-ish. It would be cool if it could be something from the Moulder Clan. That would fit in nicely. I don't think any others have something that would give reason to something that epic. Definetely not the Skryre Clan. They are far enough from Skaven-ism as it is allready. The assasination clan would by far never have anything that could fit this description. That would just seem lame if they would introduce some kind of master assasinator. And even though Clan Pestilens have what it takes. I fear that might just be too overpowered.

 

[BiscuitTrouser]

Personally i think someone should attempt to assassinate the Emperor or abbadon. I had an idea for a novel where a the best imperial assassin goes rogue after failing to assassinate abbadon and sets out to destroy the golden throne. No one steal my epic original idea! I wont spoil the ending but as far as ive thought it up it's pretty good.

I think there should be a climax to the whole 40k idea, the bit where it all comes together.

 

[sanzo]

I believe it should be late May or early June. I'll ask the next time I go to my local hobby shop. I've heard, mostly hearsay, that they might be bringing back the Skaven equivalent of a greater daemon, which would be awesome

Good thing I'm not totally lost behind a wagon.
But as long sa the equivilent still has the Skaven feel of it, I'm happy. If they start doing some kind of crazy shit, I'll be angry. The Skaven setup is fine just the way it is now. I know it's reasonalbe that Skaven has any kind of stuff coming, considering their four clans. But I still want it to be really Skaven-ish. It would be cool if it could be something from the Moulder Clan. That would fit in nicely. I don't think any others have something that would give reason to something that epic. Definetely not the Skryre Clan. They are far enough from Skaven-ism as it is allready. The assasination clan would by far never have anything that could fit this description. That would just seem lame if they would introduce some kind of master assasinator. And even though Clan Pestilens have what it takes. I fear that might just be too overpowered.

Yeah, moulder really does have the most to do with skaven as a whole, it'd be nice to see some variations of that besides giant rats and rat ogres; I think being able to modify them would be sweet.

More from pestilens would be nice, but it'd be pretty easy to make plague monks and cencer(sp?) bearers over powered

As for Eshin and Skryre: I've never really used gutter runners or night runners so I don't mind much about them, and so long as nothing drastic happens with the jezzails Skryre is alright with me

They really haven't been changing much with the previous lists; I highly doubt they'll get rid of the "life is cheap" or lead from the back rules. I play Dark Elves too and the only generic rule they changed was dark elves hate everyone now, everything else was just stats, points and magic item changes

 

[Neosage]

[small]Yeah I think something big should happen, just to make things more interesting, the only problem with 40k is that it's a setting. So everytime something happens, it needs to keep it the same.[/small]

 

[Gitsnik]

The whole point of the universe is that it is very slow and stagnant. Months and years are spent in the warp to answer calls from planets light years away that are probably already annihilated before the troops are even dispatched. The Tau are new and dynamic and quite frankly likely to win if they can sustain their growth rate and couple it with FTL/WARP technology. Except that the Space Marines are what makes the money for GW, and the SM are human (like the IG) so GW will never let them lose. Though we are in the time of ending now.

What i have noticed is that GW has started to give back story to places which used to have none. For instance the alpha legion.

I think they are going through a phase where they are giving everything a back story and therefore no major changes coming. i pray that the next major change is to do with the void dragon and the mechanicum.

Im fed up of the ultramarines hogging all the back story and fluff, yes i hate them with a passion.

Heres the legions/chapters with little/no back story

whits scars - ?
imperal fists - bit here and there
iron hands - ?
salamaders - ?
raven guard - ?

emperor's children - until fulgrim
iron warriors - storm of iron
night lords - ?
death guard - until flight
thousand sons - ?
word bearers - ?
alpha legion - until legion

Read the Index Astartes articles (these have been coming out since before 2002). There is a crap load of back story to almost all of the legions. As well as a mass of stuff about the primarchs themselves.

The boys in blue take the fore because they are the generic ones - almost everyone is derived from them - and because their Primarch was awesome and built the current Imperium this way (with the high lords, but he had a bigger-than-usual influence)

 

[Daye.04]

Yeah, moulder really does have the most to do with skaven as a whole, it'd be nice to see some variations of that besides giant rats and rat ogres; I think being able to modify them would be sweet.

More from pestilens would be nice, but it'd be pretty easy to make plague monks and cencer(sp?) bearers over powered

As for Eshin and Skryre: I've never really used gutter runners or night runners so I don't mind much about them, and so long as nothing drastic happens with the jezzails Skryre is alright with me

They really haven't been changing much with the previous lists; I highly doubt they'll get rid of the "life is cheap" or lead from the back rules. I play Dark Elves too and the only generic rule they changed was dark elves hate everyone now, everything else was just stats, points and magic item changes

I'll agree that Moulder basicly have the most to do with Skaven. But everyone has at least some root to it. They have some feeling of it. Eshin (Thanks for reminding me) might be a bit too much of a sneaker type to have a lot to do with Skaven, but still has its feelings. Same with Skryre. The only problem is that I don't get the feelng that their inventions are a skaven invention. If they'd do more fucked up stuff like they did with Boneripper, it would be neat.

Pestilens on the other hand. I can feel the Skaven-ism in them. They are a good example of Skavens.
Well. I haven't really used any of them. I just read the story, and paint them =P

I hope so too. I love those rules. I love how Skaven are completely unable to work together. I love how they have no feelings for their fellow kind. And I especially love the fact that Skaven would have no problems taking over the world if they would just be able to cooperate for five minutes =P

Stupid bastards, are allways trying to be in fron of their own =P

 

[Danzaivar]

Nah, the whole point of 40k is that the Emperor failed, and basically the Imperium has become the exact opposite of what he wanted (And is 'credited' with this hell). The fact it's all falling apart is what gives the Universe its appeal.

There are a few signs of 'hope' throughout 40k but I doubt they'll ever get acted upon. Only way I can see it changing is the Star Child thing happening.

Spoiler

Chaos attack Earth again, succeed in killing the Emperor in his current form thus leading to his rebirth as the star child (A true God in every sense of the word), then from Chaos' victory the Imperium is reborn as a real force of good.

Would destroy the appeal of 40k in my opinion however.

 

[shippuudenfreak]

Okay I'll admit to being a n00b when it comes to actually playing 40k, being as I've only read the books before, but it seems a little to over the top with the counter units memorizing what your infantry have in attack strength their weaknesses and things like that. Not to say that the 40k universe isn't awesome, it's just too complex for a beginner n00b like myself.
Imperial guard all the way!

 

[MIDIsurf 558]

The whole point of the universe is that it is very slow and stagnant. Months and years are spent in the warp to answer calls from planets light years away that are probably already annihilated before the troops are even dispatched. The Tau are new and dynamic and quite frankly likely to win if they can sustain their growth rate and couple it with FTL/WARP technology. Except that the Space Marines are what makes the money for GW, and the SM are human (like the IG) so GW will never let them lose. Though we are in the time of ending now.

What i have noticed is that GW has started to give back story to places which used to have none. For instance the alpha legion.

I think they are going through a phase where they are giving everything a back story and therefore no major changes coming. i pray that the next major change is to do with the void dragon and the mechanicum.

Im fed up of the ultramarines hogging all the back story and fluff, yes i hate them with a passion.

Heres the legions/chapters with little/no back story

whits scars - ?
imperal fists - bit here and there
iron hands - ?
salamaders - ?
raven guard - ?

emperor's children - until fulgrim
iron warriors - storm of iron
night lords - ?
death guard - until flight
thousand sons - ?
word bearers - ?
alpha legion - until legion

Read the Index Astartes articles (these have been coming out since before 2002). There is a crap load of back story to almost all of the legions. As well as a mass of stuff about the primarchs themselves.

The boys in blue take the fore because they are the generic ones - almost everyone is derived from them - and because their Primarch was awesome and built the current Imperium this way (with the high lords, but he had a bigger-than-usual influence)

where do i find these articles??

 

[Gitsnik]

where do i find these articles??

In books.

Most of the information is probably replicated somewhere here though.