Poll: A question for Escapist readers from the UK.

[WindKnight]

I honestly don;t really care either way what I'm considered to be.

 

[Daystar Clarion]

Ummmmmm Welsh IS the National Language of Wales I know the English want to force the whole world to speak English but *NEWS FLASH* some countries do actually LIKE to speak thier own National Languages, as much as that will shock the self absorbed English.

You think I even care that you're one side of the border of another. I care that there are children in my country (as in UK) being taught science in a language they don't speak.

I'd class that as abuse myself.

Edit, Fail quote

So let me get this straight, you are complaining because children in WALES are being taught in WELSH....what next are you going to complain that children in France are being taught in French or children in Germany are being taught in German????

The children don't speak welsh, yet they are being taught in welsh, and the parents, who also don't speak welsh and have no desire for their children to, have no recourse.

Once again, nice and simply: Its not a good idea to teach children, in a language they do not understand.

You'd be better off banging your head against a brick wall with this one.

Nothing but hate and bigotry.

 

[LordFish]

You'd be better off banging your head against a brick wall with this one.

Nothing but hate and bigotry.

*nods* will do, I get a fair bit of good natured ribbing from my Scottish girlfriend, but clearly there's nothing good natured about militant nationalism and racist views.

Cheers x

 

[Daystar Clarion]

You'd be better off banging your head against a brick wall with this one.

Nothing but hate and bigotry.

*nods* will do, I get a fair bit of good natured ribbing from my Scottish girlfriend, but clearly there's nothing good natured about militant nationalism and racist views.

Cheers x

Indeed.

I love the rivalry between our countries.

We all take the piss out of each other, but there's no hate there.

Well, most of the time.

 

[Suicidejim]

No, because identifying as British means that I can take credit for all the good things any of the others countries do. Then, if England decides to commit mass genocide or turn out to be a nation of lizard-people, I'll just go back to being plain old Welsh.

 

[LordFish]

Then, if England decides to commit mass genocide or turn out to be a nation of lizard-people

Who told you about our plans?!

 

[Daystar Clarion]

No, because identifying as British means that I can take credit for all the good things any of the others countries do. Then, if England decides to commit mass genocide or turn out to be a nation of lizard-people, I'll just go back to being plain old Welsh.

I hate you glory fans.

Oh sure, you're there getting all the good stuff, but commit a bit of genocide and you're nowhere to be seen.

You disgust me.

 

[Madcat75]

Ummmmmm Welsh IS the National Language of Wales I know the English want to force the whole world to speak English but *NEWS FLASH* some countries do actually LIKE to speak thier own National Languages, as much as that will shock the self absorbed English.

You think I even care that you're one side of the border of another. I care that there are children in my country (as in UK) being taught science in a language they don't speak.

I'd class that as abuse myself.

Edit, Fail quote

So let me get this straight, you are complaining because children in WALES are being taught in WELSH....what next are you going to complain that children in France are being taught in French or children in Germany are being taught in German????

The children don't speak welsh, yet they are being taught in welsh, and the parents, who also don't speak welsh and have no desire for their children to, have no recourse.

Once again, nice and simply: Its not a good idea to teach children, in a language they do not understand.

You'd be better off banging your head against a brick wall with this one.

Nothing but hate and bigotry.

It is hate and bigotry to teach children the language of the country they are living in, how would you fell ok if all the children in England were forced to learn everything in Arabic?? Why should the people of Wales be ok with their children being forced to learn everything in English, it is that view that is bigoted, if you moved to Japan, Germany or Russia you would not complain about your children learing the languages there so why should Wales be any differnt.

 

[Daystar Clarion]

Ummmmmm Welsh IS the National Language of Wales I know the English want to force the whole world to speak English but *NEWS FLASH* some countries do actually LIKE to speak thier own National Languages, as much as that will shock the self absorbed English.

You think I even care that you're one side of the border of another. I care that there are children in my country (as in UK) being taught science in a language they don't speak.

I'd class that as abuse myself.

Edit, Fail quote

So let me get this straight, you are complaining because children in WALES are being taught in WELSH....what next are you going to complain that children in France are being taught in French or children in Germany are being taught in German????

The children don't speak welsh, yet they are being taught in welsh, and the parents, who also don't speak welsh and have no desire for their children to, have no recourse.

Once again, nice and simply: Its not a good idea to teach children, in a language they do not understand.

You'd be better off banging your head against a brick wall with this one.

Nothing but hate and bigotry.

It is hate and bigotry to teach children the language of the country they are living in, how would you fell ok if all the children in England were forced to learn everything in Arabic?? Why should the people of Wales be ok with their children being forced to learn everything in English, it is that view that is bigoted, if you moved to Japan, Germany or Russia you would not complain about your children learing the languages there so why should Wales be any differnt.

Except that isn't what LordFish was saying.

He was saying that Welsh children are failing at English and Maths because they don't know Welsh, a language a very small minority of Welsh people actually speak.

 

[LordFish]

Oh how I wish it was a reportable offence for people to completely ignore the posts they are quoting.

 

[Madcat75]

Ummmmmm Welsh IS the National Language of Wales I know the English want to force the whole world to speak English but *NEWS FLASH* some countries do actually LIKE to speak thier own National Languages, as much as that will shock the self absorbed English.

You think I even care that you're one side of the border of another. I care that there are children in my country (as in UK) being taught science in a language they don't speak.

I'd class that as abuse myself.

Edit, Fail quote

So let me get this straight, you are complaining because children in WALES are being taught in WELSH....what next are you going to complain that children in France are being taught in French or children in Germany are being taught in German????

The children don't speak welsh, yet they are being taught in welsh, and the parents, who also don't speak welsh and have no desire for their children to, have no recourse.

Once again, nice and simply: Its not a good idea to teach children, in a language they do not understand.

You'd be better off banging your head against a brick wall with this one.

Nothing but hate and bigotry.

It is hate and bigotry to teach children the language of the country they are living in, how would you fell ok if all the children in England were forced to learn everything in Arabic?? Why should the people of Wales be ok with their children being forced to learn everything in English, it is that view that is bigoted, if you moved to Japan, Germany or Russia you would not complain about your children learing the languages there so why should Wales be any differnt.

Except that isn't what LordFish was saying.

He was saying that Welsh children are failing at English and Maths because they don't know Welsh, a language a very small minority of Welsh people actually speak.

The reason a small minority of Welsh people speak Welsh is because we have English forced upon us at every opportunity, at one point the English Goverment practically made it illegal to speak Welsh even now Welsh speakers are passed over for jobs in favour of the English.

This is just a small example of things the English have forced upon the Welsh no matter what the Welsh said about it "In 1956, a private bill sponsored by Liverpool City Council was brought before the UK parliament to develop a water reservoir from the Tryweryn Valley, in Meirionnydd in Gwynedd. The development would include the flooding of Capel Celyn (Holly Chapel), a Welsh-speaking community of historic significance. Despite universal and bi-partisan objections by Welsh politicians (35 out of 36 Welsh MPs opposed the bill, and one abstained) the bill was passed in 1957. The events surrounding the flooding highlighted the status of the language in the 1950s and 1960s.".

 

[LordFish]

The reason a small minority of Welsh people speak Welsh is because we have English forced upon us at every opportunity, at one point the English Goverment practically made it illegal to speak Welsh even now Welsh speakers are passed over for jobs in favour of the English.

This is just a small example of things the English have forced upon the Welsh no matter what the Welsh said about it "In 1956, a private bill sponsored by Liverpool City Council was brought before the UK parliament to develop a water reservoir from the Tryweryn Valley, in Meirionnydd in Gwynedd. The development would include the flooding of Capel Celyn (Holly Chapel), a Welsh-speaking community of historic significance. Despite universal and bi-partisan objections by Welsh politicians (35 out of 36 Welsh MPs opposed the bill, and one abstained) the bill was passed in 1957. The events surrounding the flooding highlighted the status of the language in the 1950s and 1960s.".

We can do stuff like that?! COOL!

 

[Daystar Clarion]

Ummmmmm Welsh IS the National Language of Wales I know the English want to force the whole world to speak English but *NEWS FLASH* some countries do actually LIKE to speak thier own National Languages, as much as that will shock the self absorbed English.

You think I even care that you're one side of the border of another. I care that there are children in my country (as in UK) being taught science in a language they don't speak.

I'd class that as abuse myself.

Edit, Fail quote

So let me get this straight, you are complaining because children in WALES are being taught in WELSH....what next are you going to complain that children in France are being taught in French or children in Germany are being taught in German????

The children don't speak welsh, yet they are being taught in welsh, and the parents, who also don't speak welsh and have no desire for their children to, have no recourse.

Once again, nice and simply: Its not a good idea to teach children, in a language they do not understand.

You'd be better off banging your head against a brick wall with this one.

Nothing but hate and bigotry.

It is hate and bigotry to teach children the language of the country they are living in, how would you fell ok if all the children in England were forced to learn everything in Arabic?? Why should the people of Wales be ok with their children being forced to learn everything in English, it is that view that is bigoted, if you moved to Japan, Germany or Russia you would not complain about your children learing the languages there so why should Wales be any differnt.

Except that isn't what LordFish was saying.

He was saying that Welsh children are failing at English and Maths because they don't know Welsh, a language a very small minority of Welsh people actually speak.

The reason a small minority of Welsh people speak Welsh is because we have English forced upon us at every opportunity, at one point the English Goverment practically made it illegal to speak Welsh even now Welsh speakers are passed over for jobs in favour of the English.

This is just a small example of things the English have forced upon the Welsh no matter what the Welsh said about it "In 1956, a private bill sponsored by Liverpool City Council was brought before the UK parliament to develop a water reservoir from the Tryweryn Valley, in Meirionnydd in Gwynedd. The development would include the flooding of Capel Celyn (Holly Chapel), a Welsh-speaking community of historic significance. Despite universal and bi-partisan objections by Welsh politicians (35 out of 36 Welsh MPs opposed the bill, and one abstained) the bill was passed in 1957. The events surrounding the flooding highlighted the status of the language in the 1950s and 1960s.".

Gonna make a huge whopping guess and say you weren't alive at that time.



Do you hate the Germans? Some of them did some really terrible things too.

Matter of fact, members of every country have done something terrible at one time or another.

Stop living in the past.

 

[TheMann]

I was just curious as to what this thread was about, but I suppose now would be a horrible time to poke in and mention this Critical Miss comic. [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/comics/critical-miss/8513-Y-Ddraig-Cach]

 

[Total LOLige]

Ummmmmm Welsh IS the National Language of Wales I know the English want to force the whole world to speak English but *NEWS FLASH* some countries do actually LIKE to speak thier own National Languages, as much as that will shock the self absorbed English.

You think I even care that you're one side of the border of another. I care that there are children in my country (as in UK) being taught science in a language they don't speak.

I'd class that as abuse myself.

Edit, Fail quote

So let me get this straight, you are complaining because children in WALES are being taught in WELSH....what next are you going to complain that children in France are being taught in French or children in Germany are being taught in German????

The children don't speak welsh, yet they are being taught in welsh, and the parents, who also don't speak welsh and have no desire for their children to, have no recourse.

Once again, nice and simply: Its not a good idea to teach children, in a language they do not understand.

You'd be better off banging your head against a brick wall with this one.

Nothing but hate and bigotry.

It is hate and bigotry to teach children the language of the country they are living in, how would you fell ok if all the children in England were forced to learn everything in Arabic?? Why should the people of Wales be ok with their children being forced to learn everything in English, it is that view that is bigoted, if you moved to Japan, Germany or Russia you would not complain about your children learing the languages there so why should Wales be any differnt.

Except that isn't what LordFish was saying.

He was saying that Welsh children are failing at English and Maths because they don't know Welsh, a language a very small minority of Welsh people actually speak.

The reason a small minority of Welsh people speak Welsh is because we have English forced upon us at every opportunity, at one point the English Goverment practically made it illegal to speak Welsh even now Welsh speakers are passed over for jobs in favour of the English.

This is just a small example of things the English have forced upon the Welsh no matter what the Welsh said about it "In 1956, a private bill sponsored by Liverpool City Council was brought before the UK parliament to develop a water reservoir from the Tryweryn Valley, in Meirionnydd in Gwynedd. The development would include the flooding of Capel Celyn (Holly Chapel), a Welsh-speaking community of historic significance. Despite universal and bi-partisan objections by Welsh politicians (35 out of 36 Welsh MPs opposed the bill, and one abstained) the bill was passed in 1957. The events surrounding the flooding highlighted the status of the language in the 1950s and 1960s.".

I don't believe any of that. Give me a source.

 

[Daystar Clarion]

I was just curious as to what this thread was about, but I suppose now would be a horrible time to poke in and mention this Critical Miss comic. [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/comics/critical-miss/8513-Y-Ddraig-Cach]

If they had a better dragon, we'd love to put it on our flag.

But as it is, it falls well below the standard levels of awesome required.

 

[LordFish]

I was just curious as to what this thread was about, but I suppose now would be a horrible time to poke in and mention this Critical Miss comic. [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/comics/critical-miss/8513-Y-Ddraig-Cach]

Yep, you've pretty much wondered into an argument, Comic made me laugh, Although, as stated on daily politics, most English don't give a damn about what the welsh do or don't do. Yet the welsh constantly comment on our every policy... It's like we're being stalked, by a whole country :!

For the record, the above is hyperbole.

 

[Madcat75]

I was just curious as to what this thread was about, but I suppose now would be a horrible time to poke in and mention this Critical Miss comic. [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/comics/critical-miss/8513-Y-Ddraig-Cach]

Just another example of the anti-Welsh racism that is rampant here, first Critial Miss then Zero Punctuation where will it appear next.

Source :- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tryweryn_valley

 

[Eldrig]

Offering an outside perspective to this, in north america, English and British are used essentially interchangeably. Scottish/Irish/Welsh much less so, if at all.

 

[Total LOLige]

I was just curious as to what this thread was about, but I suppose now would be a horrible time to poke in and mention this Critical Miss comic. [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/comics/critical-miss/8513-Y-Ddraig-Cach]

Just another example of the anti-Welsh racism that is rampant here, first Critial Miss then Zero Punctuation where will it appear next.

Source :- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tryweryn_valley

That's unfortunate and shouldn't have happened. It doesn't say that anyone died, just 48 people lost their homes. I doubt that the government left them without places to live. It says that the event helped wales have a bigger say in what happened in government so technically it was a win for the Welsh rather than a loss.