well if its justifiable homicide (ie the person was trying to kill them/their family) then straight away.
Poll: Are murderers forgivable?
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Since this is somewhat off-topic, I'll try to keep it brief, but I agree with you that pedophilia is a disorder which needs to be cured rather than condemned. Also interestingly when you look at the statistics (I found all mine through Wikipedia), between 3 and 9% of the population have the disorder but the estimated number of child abusers stands between 0.5 and 1%, the actual percentage of those convicted are less than a tenth of that. Add to that the fact that around 15% of child sexual abusers don't meet the psychological criteria for pedophilia and it appears then that only a minority of those attracted to children are actually weak enough to give into their urges. If we could find out why that percentage give in and how others don't, then maybe we could actually get to and treat potential abusers before they commit a crime.i7omahawki said:
OT: Depends on circumstances, if they were fully aware of their actions and not mitigated then I would find it hard to forgive, especially if the murder was unprovoked and/or pre-planned.
Strict rules are good for maintaining a society, but I don't like them in people. it depends on the circumstances if I am willing to forgive someone. But are you seriously saying you think a man who kills a burglar a worse person than, say, Joseph Fritzl?
Well, if it's proven and investigated thoroughly, that a person has accidentally, or inderectly, caused the death of someone else. Then, I suppose, it's forgivable. But only in that case. I don't buy the whole "mental instabillity" bullshit, that everyone get's away with today.
Are you f-ing kidding me, or what?! And please excuse me, if it that's meant to be sarcastic, but it doesn't matter what the motive is, if it's intentional, then 4k you!jeretik said:
Everyone is forgivable. The question of forgiveness rests on how willing YOU are to forgive.
Yes, I think we should forgive murderers, but we must protect ourselves as necessary, and if we need him/her to be locked up, exiled, killed or whatever, then so be it.
Yes, I think we should forgive murderers, but we must protect ourselves as necessary, and if we need him/her to be locked up, exiled, killed or whatever, then so be it.
It's complicated. Obviously, murder isn't forgivable to you, so obviously on some levels and to some people it must not be "forgivable" -- But why draw the line at murder? What about rape? In my eyes, that's worse than murder, as murder can be justified to some degree.
Take these as examples: It's possible the person you murdered did something far worse and would do it again if not stopped. War is mass-murder, yet we justify it every single day, every single time. Should all parties involved be given the death sentence because they are unforgivable? Would that act in itself be murder?
In the end, I could forgive a true friend for anything they did. I have no right to be emotionally involved in anyone else. It's none of my business and I'm no judge or jury.
Take these as examples: It's possible the person you murdered did something far worse and would do it again if not stopped. War is mass-murder, yet we justify it every single day, every single time. Should all parties involved be given the death sentence because they are unforgivable? Would that act in itself be murder?
In the end, I could forgive a true friend for anything they did. I have no right to be emotionally involved in anyone else. It's none of my business and I'm no judge or jury.
But unfortunately life isn't that simple. If I planned out to kill Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Mao Zedong, or even more modernly, Osama Bin Ladin, would I really be a monster? Or would I be a hero for saving people's lives?retyopy said:
And if we are talking about the Creator's forgiveness, then he forgives any and everyone for everything. As long as you really are sorry for what you have done and attempt to stop doing it. For example, you aren't forgiven for murder when you kill someone, ask for forgiveness, and then go out and murder someone else. Doesn't work that way.
The way I see it, is that we should still forgive and forget the man who did it and didn't regret it, but keep him locked up or whatever since he has obviously proved himself to be danger to society.tstorm823 said:
That being said, even those who DO regret it, need to be locked up as well, for the same reasons.
Manslaughter, sometimes.
Murder, no.
I don't believe it's ever okay to take someone else's life. Murdering someone because they murdered does not justify it. Two wrongs not making a right and whatnot.
Saying killing Hitler would have been a good thing does not a clever argument make.
Murder, no.
I don't believe it's ever okay to take someone else's life. Murdering someone because they murdered does not justify it. Two wrongs not making a right and whatnot.
Saying killing Hitler would have been a good thing does not a clever argument make.
People who commit murder always have some kind of mental problem. No human murders another human because they want to. So yes I think we should forgive them. It's not easy but it needs to be done. Forgive them, understand why they did it and treat them. If they can't be treated keep them under the care of trained professionals.
Humans should have the backs of other humans and help them become better. Otherwise our species will become a fetid cess pool of cold, uncaring, individualistic, brain dead savages.
We should have already evolved from the "you bad me smash" phase.
Hired hands probably suffer from some kind of heavy trauma that leads them to think it's ok to be paid to kill another human.
War amongst humans makes no sense and that's probably the most condemnable act of killing. But people justify it with "he calls my god God/he calls my god Allah" or "he likes red/he likes blue" and then yelling "justice!!" at the end of every sentence. But even in that situation one should forgive all the killing because whoever does it is very unbalanced. Soldiers are trained to kill. Their natural disposition towards other humans is warped with ideologies and other factors that other mentally challenged people infect them with and that then send their brains back to the stone age when it comes to fighting on the battle field.
Forgiving murder and killing is the right thing to do. Hard to do but right, as is everything worth doing in life.
I'd lose my temper if someone murdered a person close to me but good thing I'm not the only human alive, that way people could stop me from going berserk on the murderer.
That's what I think anyway.
Humans should have the backs of other humans and help them become better. Otherwise our species will become a fetid cess pool of cold, uncaring, individualistic, brain dead savages.
We should have already evolved from the "you bad me smash" phase.
Hired hands probably suffer from some kind of heavy trauma that leads them to think it's ok to be paid to kill another human.
War amongst humans makes no sense and that's probably the most condemnable act of killing. But people justify it with "he calls my god God/he calls my god Allah" or "he likes red/he likes blue" and then yelling "justice!!" at the end of every sentence. But even in that situation one should forgive all the killing because whoever does it is very unbalanced. Soldiers are trained to kill. Their natural disposition towards other humans is warped with ideologies and other factors that other mentally challenged people infect them with and that then send their brains back to the stone age when it comes to fighting on the battle field.
Forgiving murder and killing is the right thing to do. Hard to do but right, as is everything worth doing in life.
I'd lose my temper if someone murdered a person close to me but good thing I'm not the only human alive, that way people could stop me from going berserk on the murderer.
That's what I think anyway.
I don't know.zehydra said:
I'd rather live with the scars and memories of excruciating torture than be dead. On the other hand, if I knew someone I love had been tortured, but lived, it's possible that I'd be more enraged than if I knew they died painlessly.
It's a matter of perspective. For comparison, though, I consider rape to be torture, so it's at least as hard to justify as that.
I should probably retract my original statement of rape being worse than murder as a "scale of wrongness" is pretty inappropriate.
What about rape? Is that forgiveable? Child abuse? Human Trafficking?retyopy said:
I'd say never forgive someone of a crime, and remember it always. After all, you forgiving and forgetting will not undo the past.