Poll: Are you finished with Bioware now?
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Nope not at all.Murmillos said:
I was merely pointing out the supposed level of quality Bioware head has been and always will be a opinion, and like all other opinions they are not fact.
A game company can never get better or worse, they can always just be.
I'm amazed you can hold on to that belief considering (a) a lot of their original writing staff have left or moved on to other projects; and (b) aside from the gay terrorist magician plot twist of DA2, Bioware have never made a plot point so bad that it provoked a tremendous Internet backlash.SajuukKhar said:
Now, you may argue the artistic merit of Bioware's current crop of crap, but the sad fact is, the ending fails not just on artistic, but on technical grounds. We've got plot holes, inconsistencies with lore and the previously established narrative ? within the same game of all things ? and characters acting contrary to their established personas and archetypes. Hell, BioWare has already admitted they pulled the ending out of Mac Walters' ass at the last minute. If anybody has a link to that, I'd appreciate a repost.
Also, I call BS on your nostalgia argument. It's not like the Mass Effect series has had ridiculously long development cycles. Three games in seven years? That's an average of 2.333 years per game; shorter than the industry standard of 3 years.
Thanks!Murmillos said:
Funny because most people I know would only refer to late 80's-late 90's RPGs as that.Kahunaburger said:
Yes. Because everything leading up to the ending of Mass Effect 3 was a work of brilliance beyond almost any other piece of entertainment I've ever experienced, that alone proves Bioware can still make great games.
Plus, it's not over yet. The possibility of a new ending is still present, so I'm not giving up until they either say they're not doing a thing about it, or somehow write an ending worse than the first one.
Plus, it's not over yet. The possibility of a new ending is still present, so I'm not giving up until they either say they're not doing a thing about it, or somehow write an ending worse than the first one.
Yes, and we use the term "RPG" to describe modern RPGs because they have design elements derived from P&P RPGs by way of old-school RPGs. Hence the lack of a concise/consistent list of criteria a game has to have in order to qualify as an RPG.SajuukKhar said:
I never really liked BioWare games to begin with. So boring! DA:O was alright but the combat sucked (PS3 version). DA2 was a little better in the combat area, but it just was so stale - I want to explore! ME 1 I got bored of in about 10 hours. ME 2 seems alright but I just don't really care enough to play it (got it free from buying DA2). I think I played 3 hrs of ME 2.
I'll certainly keep BioWare on my radar, but I never "planned" to play one of their games to begin with.
I'll certainly keep BioWare on my radar, but I never "planned" to play one of their games to begin with.
Fine. Here's what'll happen in Dragon Age 3RJ 17 said:
The world will be in upheaval after the templars and the mages revolted, maybe three or four years after the ending of DA2. The game will of course not care about your decision from DA2, putting both sides at roughly equal footing. You play as a Grey Warden again, a different character from the Warden and Hawke, who are off on their own separate adventures getting stuff done.
Most of the beginning of the game deals with dealing with darkspawn stragglers, meeting up with a few rag-tag teammates with their own quirks and alignment bars ala DA2, and you fight to keep the peace in your small corner of the world.
The main plot revolves around Morrigan's daughter, who is inheriting the power of a true god. You find this out from Leliana, as the Seekers are trying to find her and for some reason a Grey Warden as well. Ultimately, the villain is revealed to be Flemith, who is trying to possess the young girl because of her immense untapped power. In the end she gains the power, only for you and your group to kill Flemith.
As a Grey Warden, you absorb the power of the god in the same way the child did in Dragon Age Origins, and gain unlimited power. At this point, naturally you are given three choices: kill all the mages, kill all the templars, or make everyone in the world a mage, able to tap into the Fade. Killing the mages or templars results in an off-screen recounting of how you eventually went power-mad and killed millions. Making everyone a Mage requires cleansing the Fade of the Taint, which means you personally absorb it and die, but the powers of the god also die, stopping it from becoming another Archdemon. All three end ambiguously, and in the end your choices up to that point don't contribute to the final ending in the slightest.
There. That's years of waiting and 60$ saved.
One bad apple and you throw the entire basket down a well and poison it.
They'll continue making games. Most likely in the next 5 they do make you'll wind of getting one cause it's so awesome. Than you'll be a hypocrite and deny that you ever despised Bioware in the first place. And it just goes on from there in a never ending internet cycle of hatred and denial.
They'll continue making games. Most likely in the next 5 they do make you'll wind of getting one cause it's so awesome. Than you'll be a hypocrite and deny that you ever despised Bioware in the first place. And it just goes on from there in a never ending internet cycle of hatred and denial.
Last game i bought from them was Dragon Age 2..after that they died. But atleast i got NWN and nostalgia to keep me from putting a gun between their heads..
Dragon Age 2 already made me stop buying biowaregames altogether. EA's origin nonsense made sure I'd never even intend to install one of them.
Look, fanboys, deal with it:
Customers have a choice. If they like service they get, they will keep buying. They don't like the service for WHATEVER REASON, they will not keep buying. This is reasonable. As is asking other customers to do the same.
You're trying to pretend it isn't so, which is ridiculous. You are not a slave of a company, and you are not obligated to buy ANYTHING. Nor will you. Most gamers never bought a bioware game. It's a fact. Most gamers never bought (insert any company) game. Fact.
And yes, an "ending" can completely ruin the game. Imagine you have a holiday in a nice hotel. Except at the very last day, while leaving, the floor suddenly breaks, stranding you into a massive hive of cockroaches that swarm over you. At which point you figure out that the food you ate the entire time was cockroach-based. Those crunchy bits in your bread you thought were intentional? Cockroach legs.
Pretty sure you'd not say "oh, my holiday was great until the last 5 minutes, therefore I'd totally go to the hotel again".
No. You'd avoid the hotel forever, sick the authorities on them for gross hygiene violations, and warn everyone you knew. Why? Cause you're a customer, and not a braindead zombie.
Videogamers seem to have this bizarre notion that a)everyone buys every game ever, b)you may never stop buying games from a company that you bought one game from, and c)have no right to complain when a company screws up.
I really don't get where these ideas even come from. They make no sense.
Look, fanboys, deal with it:
Customers have a choice. If they like service they get, they will keep buying. They don't like the service for WHATEVER REASON, they will not keep buying. This is reasonable. As is asking other customers to do the same.
You're trying to pretend it isn't so, which is ridiculous. You are not a slave of a company, and you are not obligated to buy ANYTHING. Nor will you. Most gamers never bought a bioware game. It's a fact. Most gamers never bought (insert any company) game. Fact.
And yes, an "ending" can completely ruin the game. Imagine you have a holiday in a nice hotel. Except at the very last day, while leaving, the floor suddenly breaks, stranding you into a massive hive of cockroaches that swarm over you. At which point you figure out that the food you ate the entire time was cockroach-based. Those crunchy bits in your bread you thought were intentional? Cockroach legs.
Pretty sure you'd not say "oh, my holiday was great until the last 5 minutes, therefore I'd totally go to the hotel again".
No. You'd avoid the hotel forever, sick the authorities on them for gross hygiene violations, and warn everyone you knew. Why? Cause you're a customer, and not a braindead zombie.
Videogamers seem to have this bizarre notion that a)everyone buys every game ever, b)you may never stop buying games from a company that you bought one game from, and c)have no right to complain when a company screws up.
I really don't get where these ideas even come from. They make no sense.
Personally I liked Mass Effect 3. Actually, loved it. No problem with what is essentially THEIR fucking story.
Dragon age 2 was complete ass, I've steered clear from that, but apart from that. Yeah, I will buy newer bioware titles.
Dragon age 2 was complete ass, I've steered clear from that, but apart from that. Yeah, I will buy newer bioware titles.
Agreed. Right now, Bioware is dead to me. Right now, gaming to me seems like it's flirting with a crash similar to the one that occurred in the early 80s with all of this maximum monetization of EVERY aspect of a gamer's experience. With Bioware seeming like they might put out an alternative(fixed) ending as DLC, likely paid DLC, I'm getting fed up with all of this nonsense.Pumpkin_Eater said:
Depends on where Bioware takes the Mass Effect series in DLC. If they don't quote "fix" the ending, then I'm done with them. If they do "fix" the ending with paid DLC (and it's anything less than the love child of Jesus, Ghandi, and the best 5 writers in the history of ever), I'm done with them.
But if they "fix" it fairly well with free DLC, I'm done with everything new. Old stuff I'll still play, but no more. I'll even link my Xbox profile to this account to prove it once EA has decided whether it wants to keep my business.
But if they "fix" it fairly well with free DLC, I'm done with everything new. Old stuff I'll still play, but no more. I'll even link my Xbox profile to this account to prove it once EA has decided whether it wants to keep my business.
I tend to do this thing where I don't look at the developers/publishers logo on the box. It's not on purpose. It's because the the listed features and screenshots are much more important than who made it. The game is what I care about. Not the company that made it.
People also forget that the creative choices behind one title are the choices of that team. The same developer can create another title with a completely different team, and produce a completely different title.
Also, people are taking this ME3 ending shit too far. Don't you have more important things to worry about? Don't you have someone to kill? A Mr.Edgar Friendly?
People also forget that the creative choices behind one title are the choices of that team. The same developer can create another title with a completely different team, and produce a completely different title.
Also, people are taking this ME3 ending shit too far. Don't you have more important things to worry about? Don't you have someone to kill? A Mr.Edgar Friendly?