Poll: Avatar - Who did you root for
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I feel the people rooting for the humans are doing it just to be different...
But I tend to agree with the Cracked article. I really doubt that the humans would have left after losing one battle. It doesn't matter what the end of the movie said...
But I tend to agree with the Cracked article. I really doubt that the humans would have left after losing one battle. It doesn't matter what the end of the movie said...
But... why was something so important on the site and not in the finished film? Avatar is three hours long, and much of that is glorious shots of Pandora's landscape. Much as I liked the look of Pandora, I'd have gladly sacrificed a few scenes of Jake and Neytiri swimming or running through the forest, to understand more and care more about what was happening.Wicky_42 said:
If a conflict's so unimportant they don't bother explaining it fully to the people watching the movie, how can the conflict be important enough to spin a whole movie around? All it would have taken is a few lines of dialogue, and the entire meaning of Avatar would have been positively shifted. That's what makes me sad.
Because the humans were imperialistic, greedy pricks. They wanted to destroy the Na'vi land and take whatever that thing was just to sell it for money. That is like watching District 9 and siding with the douche before he has his change of heart... err... grows a heart...Chunko said:
I just liked the idea of a giant spacefaring civilization so that life can expand and be greater.Hubilub said:
I'm pretty sure at the beginning they briefly mentioned the economy being crap.
You're making a pretty big assumption there by saying that they would have said no to diplomacy. Additionally they clearly cared for the Na'vi as evidenced by their attempts at negotiating with them peacefully. Even if they thought of them as dogs the media would have forced them to treat the Na'vi diplomatically. Or else face boycotting. There actions toward the end of the movie could be justified as defense.
I still fail to see how some greedy company guy getting some rocks worth billions, will be able to save the earth, it's not like you can eat those.
And just because you offer people something good in return, doesn't mean you're allowed to take it by force, if they reject.
Also the na'vi put out, the humans didn't.
And just because you offer people something good in return, doesn't mean you're allowed to take it by force, if they reject.
Also the na'vi put out, the humans didn't.
I voted GLaDOS because I never saw the movie but I think GLaDOS would kill them ALL! Long live GLaDOS!
I wanted everyone to die so I could leave the cinema and stop hearing people going like " I love this movie" and "I love the 3d" and "Somebody just give me James Camerons d*** to suck".
I was rooting for the fire bende... oh. Wrong one. In this one I was rooting for me to fall asleep, because I had nothing else better to do while watching it.
wait. the humans were not out for survival, they were out for money. they didn't need that stupid rock to survive. also, your reasoning would assert that there is no cause worth dying for. uplifted from their primitive society? if they want to live in the stone age (which they are perfectly happy to do) that's their choice. the navi were clearly in the right in this case. if I own a pile of dirt, its my pile of dirt, and you have no right to take it from me regardless of how much you've offered me for it.Chunko said:
my only real reason for supporting the navi is that anyone who puts a windshield on powered armor deserves to DIE.
(apologies if these points have already been mentioned, i'm skimming 
Na'vi, just about, but not for Cameron's anvil-dropping-levels-of-subtlety reasons.
(that's also the only time I'm going to sign up for that stupid apostrophes-in-the-name crap)
It's, what, the 23rd century or something, and our only method of extracting a precious mineral that's several hundred metres under a huge tree that's the core of one of the tribes of the planet's indigenous population is ... to freakin' STRIP MINE it?! Has the technology for shaft mining disappeared in the interim or something?
Plus one of the researchers has discovered something so automatically awesome (plants that have animal-like nerve fibres - and are interconnected between different organisms via the roots) and potentially almost as useful as unobtanium that even johnny random like myself sat in the theatre clocks it in the early scenes, and it's completely ignored? Get out of town. Never mind the enormous problem-solving potential of a planet-wide organic computer-internet that can both interface with and store innumerate living consciousnesses.
Oh, and they've got the ability to make hybrid clones of humans and natives that can be controlled over unexplained neuro-radio links, but no-one has thought of making surgically implantable rebreather units? Those firefighter/1950s diver type masks are aught but plot coupons.
Just for the two & a half points above, humanity in the future seems to have become so incredibly stupid even compared to the time the movie was conceived (where the general concensus was that we were on the handbasket express) that we could do with a good dose of natural-selection pruning and allow the carbon fibre boned, mind-melding cat people to inherit the metal and plastic technology we'd come up with and improve on it to their own ends.
Other than that, not a great deal of loyalty either way. It's probably intended as a tragedy overall - two cultures coming together in a battle for the survival of each, and BOTH are too goddamn stubborn to consider working with the other for mutual benefit (except for Sigourney Weaver and her damn-near-photocopied Aliens crew of course), so everyone suffers.
It's a shame an extra year or so wasn't sunk into getting the story and plot right, and realising that although presenting the viewer with pretty much a fait accompli, dropping them into the middle of a story already in progress with no exposition is a recognised narriative method, you do need to explain SOME things - e.g. what is the mineral/why they need it, rather than just "the Navi have this, we need it, they won't give it", what happened to the earth (X-files-ism is alright, but the awful things I can imagine wouldn't leave any humans alive, so...?), how come they can't get it by less destructive means, how in all the hell do they make and control the Avatars?
I view the film as quite awesome eye candy, and perhaps a tribute to a huge list of classic, sometimes game changing movies from the past century (there's so many little touches in there that basically say "JC saw film (x), loved it and wanted to include a little of it in his own"), but not a narriative masterpiece in its own right. It's just something very pretty to look at for a couple of hours, which isn't in of itself a failure. Just lacking in backup.
Maybe all this is answered in the special edition. Can't be bothered going back to the cinema for it though - I'll wait until The Friend With The Enormous TV rents the 3D Blu-Ray directors cut (which'll probably have even more extra bits). That or the these-days-inevitable sequel (ugh)
That and what might have happened to the tree if all the unobtanium was removed from under it anyway. I have a feeling the very plant life of the planet requires that mineral to thrive, at least in the form it appears. It might be the stuff that elevates it past what terrestrial plants managed, so if you mine it, they all die anyway.
Oh, and golddragon below does have a point COWBOYS AND INDIANS... IN SPAAAACE
Na'vi, just about, but not for Cameron's anvil-dropping-levels-of-subtlety reasons.
(that's also the only time I'm going to sign up for that stupid apostrophes-in-the-name crap)
It's, what, the 23rd century or something, and our only method of extracting a precious mineral that's several hundred metres under a huge tree that's the core of one of the tribes of the planet's indigenous population is ... to freakin' STRIP MINE it?! Has the technology for shaft mining disappeared in the interim or something?
Plus one of the researchers has discovered something so automatically awesome (plants that have animal-like nerve fibres - and are interconnected between different organisms via the roots) and potentially almost as useful as unobtanium that even johnny random like myself sat in the theatre clocks it in the early scenes, and it's completely ignored? Get out of town. Never mind the enormous problem-solving potential of a planet-wide organic computer-internet that can both interface with and store innumerate living consciousnesses.
Oh, and they've got the ability to make hybrid clones of humans and natives that can be controlled over unexplained neuro-radio links, but no-one has thought of making surgically implantable rebreather units? Those firefighter/1950s diver type masks are aught but plot coupons.
Just for the two & a half points above, humanity in the future seems to have become so incredibly stupid even compared to the time the movie was conceived (where the general concensus was that we were on the handbasket express) that we could do with a good dose of natural-selection pruning and allow the carbon fibre boned, mind-melding cat people to inherit the metal and plastic technology we'd come up with and improve on it to their own ends.
Other than that, not a great deal of loyalty either way. It's probably intended as a tragedy overall - two cultures coming together in a battle for the survival of each, and BOTH are too goddamn stubborn to consider working with the other for mutual benefit (except for Sigourney Weaver and her damn-near-photocopied Aliens crew of course), so everyone suffers.
It's a shame an extra year or so wasn't sunk into getting the story and plot right, and realising that although presenting the viewer with pretty much a fait accompli, dropping them into the middle of a story already in progress with no exposition is a recognised narriative method, you do need to explain SOME things - e.g. what is the mineral/why they need it, rather than just "the Navi have this, we need it, they won't give it", what happened to the earth (X-files-ism is alright, but the awful things I can imagine wouldn't leave any humans alive, so...?), how come they can't get it by less destructive means, how in all the hell do they make and control the Avatars?
I view the film as quite awesome eye candy, and perhaps a tribute to a huge list of classic, sometimes game changing movies from the past century (there's so many little touches in there that basically say "JC saw film (x), loved it and wanted to include a little of it in his own"), but not a narriative masterpiece in its own right. It's just something very pretty to look at for a couple of hours, which isn't in of itself a failure. Just lacking in backup.
Maybe all this is answered in the special edition. Can't be bothered going back to the cinema for it though - I'll wait until The Friend With The Enormous TV rents the 3D Blu-Ray directors cut (which'll probably have even more extra bits). That or the these-days-inevitable sequel (ugh)
That and what might have happened to the tree if all the unobtanium was removed from under it anyway. I have a feeling the very plant life of the planet requires that mineral to thrive, at least in the form it appears. It might be the stuff that elevates it past what terrestrial plants managed, so if you mine it, they all die anyway.
Oh, and golddragon below does have a point
COWBOYS AND INDIANS... IN SPAAAACE