Its perfectly fine for them to make the game. Its a little ridiculous to say a game made in a few weeks will be the biggest selling thing of the year.
Because we were making video games about WWII a week after it ended, right? No.l33tness08 said:Yes they have every right to do it. It's now a historical event. We make games about WWII don't we? How would this be different?
no, you don't get it, not one bit. seafood is not my kind of thing, but if some people like it, they should have it.l33tness08 said:Why thank you for that medical assessment. I'll be sure to take it into account.Kathinka said:it's not only that i wouldn't like to play a game where i manage a concentration camp, i utterly resent the idea of such a travesty existing!l33tness08 said:The only thing I can say is that I feel EVERYTHING should be fair game and it once again comes back to the individual. If you don't like it, then don't play it.Kathinka said:i agree as far as that i would not oppose it if the game in question would be well designed and handle the critical issue maturely and in a sensible way.l33tness08 said:Yes how about that? I'd play it if it looked like a well designed game. Should we just pretend it didn't happen? That any inclusion of something about 9/11 was crossing the line? The way I view these things is that you can make a game about ANYTHING YOU WANT. Doesn't mean it will sell well, but you shouldn't be stopped for making it.Kathinka said:how about a game where you have to hijack some planes and ram some certain high buildings with them then? historic event, right?l33tness08 said:Yes they have every right to do it. It's now a historical event. We make games about WWII don't we? How would this be different?
as for the thread: well, what the guys before me said. plus that it's obviously a nice way to cement a picture very positive towards the u.s. in this whole affair, if accurate or not nobody will remember. everybody will think: that's the way it happened.
what we have here though is obviously just the attempt to make some quick profit with some shoddy game that in all probability will distort the truth vigorously.
so where to draw the line? there was this once economy game once, named "concentration camp manager". and it was exactly what it says on the tin. i think we can agree that this kind of thing is not cool^^ hard to find a good middle ground..
and sorry if that sounds offensive, but i believe if you think that it's fine that there is a game that tries to sell the player the genocide of millions of innocents as a good and desirable thing, then you need professional help.
On topic: Yes YOU don't like it, so of course it shouldn't exist. I don't like seafood, so by that logic I should be pandered to and have it removed from existence.
of course one could make an actually good game out of it, there is a lot of potential for deep characters and such, emotional fuel by showing the unimaginable horrors..i was refering to some old game that pretty much without an ounce of irony sold the whole holocaust as a good idea.GiantRaven said:I think you could make a very interesting and moving game out of that idea.Kathinka said:it's not only that i wouldn't like to play a game where i manage a concentration camp, i utterly resent the idea of such a travesty existing!
It's the implied importance of the thing that I find ridiculous. Sure, the AV not getting through is a historical event but is it important? Not really. Is some dude who spent the last 10 years living a pretty good life getting shot important? Not in my book.l33tness08 said:Ok so, to use your own example. By that logic you would consider the London bombings to NOT be a historical event? Because I would think they were. In my opinion, anything that has happened from yesterday, onwards and is documented in any way (news stories etc) is history. I suppose it just requires some thought.zhoominator said:But then you could refer to almost ANYTHING as a historical event, no matter how irrelevant. Where do you draw the line?l33tness08 said:It IS a historical event, no-matter how out of proportion it is blown. (and believe me I do agree it is blown out of proportion)
Fair enough, I didn't realise you were referring to something that already existed. In that sense (portraying the holocaust in a positive light), I agree with you completely.Kathinka said:of course one could make an actually good game out of it, there is a lot of potential for deep characters and such, emotional fuel by showing the unimaginable horrors..i was refering to some old game that pretty much without an ounce of irony sold the whole holocaust as a good idea.
Yeah, that about sums it up. The biggest problem with American/Muslim relations seems to be a general lack of education and knowledge (as well as the promotion of nationalistic propaganda). If the media in the Arab world gets a hold of this things could get blown wayyyyy out of hand.Jonluw said:I don't think it's wrong. People have the right to make whatever they like, but I still think it's bloody stupid.
Yeah, let's try to see if we can get those terrorist guys more riled up, shall we?
As a hastily made game based on real-life death-related events, I highly doubt it'll reach the esteemed levels of JFK Reloaded.Onyx Oblivion said:Is it bad that I want to play this game?
Just to see how bad it must be with one week of dev time.
That's how the world works.Speakercone said:Meanwhile 6 Days In Fallujah will never be released.
so..you are saying that there is nothing wrong with it. (promoting and advertising the holocaust and millions of murders as a good thing.) as i said^^l33tness08 said:No I'm not saying it's a good thing. What I'm saying is that just because it's a bad thing, that isn't reason enough for it not to exist.Kathinka said:no, you don't get it, not one bit. seafood is not my kind of thing, but if some people like it, they should have it.l33tness08 said:Why thank you for that medical assessment. I'll be sure to take it into account.Kathinka said:it's not only that i wouldn't like to play a game where i manage a concentration camp, i utterly resent the idea of such a travesty existing!l33tness08 said:The only thing I can say is that I feel EVERYTHING should be fair game and it once again comes back to the individual. If you don't like it, then don't play it.Kathinka said:i agree as far as that i would not oppose it if the game in question would be well designed and handle the critical issue maturely and in a sensible way.l33tness08 said:Yes how about that? I'd play it if it looked like a well designed game. Should we just pretend it didn't happen? That any inclusion of something about 9/11 was crossing the line? The way I view these things is that you can make a game about ANYTHING YOU WANT. Doesn't mean it will sell well, but you shouldn't be stopped for making it.Kathinka said:how about a game where you have to hijack some planes and ram some certain high buildings with them then? historic event, right?l33tness08 said:Yes they have every right to do it. It's now a historical event. We make games about WWII don't we? How would this be different?
as for the thread: well, what the guys before me said. plus that it's obviously a nice way to cement a picture very positive towards the u.s. in this whole affair, if accurate or not nobody will remember. everybody will think: that's the way it happened.
what we have here though is obviously just the attempt to make some quick profit with some shoddy game that in all probability will distort the truth vigorously.
so where to draw the line? there was this once economy game once, named "concentration camp manager". and it was exactly what it says on the tin. i think we can agree that this kind of thing is not cool^^ hard to find a good middle ground..
and sorry if that sounds offensive, but i believe if you think that it's fine that there is a game that tries to sell the player the genocide of millions of innocents as a good and desirable thing, then you need professional help.
On topic: Yes YOU don't like it, so of course it shouldn't exist. I don't like seafood, so by that logic I should be pandered to and have it removed from existence.
however,
of course one could make an actually good game out of it, there is a lot of potential for deep characters and such, emotional fuel by showing the unimaginable horrors..i was refering to some old game that pretty much without an ounce of irony sold the whole holocaust as a good idea.GiantRaven said:I think you could make a very interesting and moving game out of that idea.Kathinka said:it's not only that i wouldn't like to play a game where i manage a concentration camp, i utterly resent the idea of such a travesty existing!
COUNTER TERRORIST WINjakko12345 said:Hmm, I was expecting a counter-strike mod first. Oh well I'm sure one's in the works somewhere
and that is becaaaaause...?l33tness08 said:As I said above. It's not a good thing. BUT that doesn't mean it shouldn't exist!Kathinka said:so..you are saying that there is nothing wrong with it. (promoting and advertising the holocaust and millions of murders as a good thing.) as i said^^l33tness08 said:No I'm not saying it's a good thing. What I'm saying is that just because it's a bad thing, that isn't reason enough for it not to exist.Kathinka said:no, you don't get it, not one bit. seafood is not my kind of thing, but if some people like it, they should have it.l33tness08 said:Why thank you for that medical assessment. I'll be sure to take it into account.Kathinka said:it's not only that i wouldn't like to play a game where i manage a concentration camp, i utterly resent the idea of such a travesty existing!l33tness08 said:The only thing I can say is that I feel EVERYTHING should be fair game and it once again comes back to the individual. If you don't like it, then don't play it.Kathinka said:i agree as far as that i would not oppose it if the game in question would be well designed and handle the critical issue maturely and in a sensible way.l33tness08 said:Yes how about that? I'd play it if it looked like a well designed game. Should we just pretend it didn't happen? That any inclusion of something about 9/11 was crossing the line? The way I view these things is that you can make a game about ANYTHING YOU WANT. Doesn't mean it will sell well, but you shouldn't be stopped for making it.Kathinka said:how about a game where you have to hijack some planes and ram some certain high buildings with them then? historic event, right?l33tness08 said:Yes they have every right to do it. It's now a historical event. We make games about WWII don't we? How would this be different?
as for the thread: well, what the guys before me said. plus that it's obviously a nice way to cement a picture very positive towards the u.s. in this whole affair, if accurate or not nobody will remember. everybody will think: that's the way it happened.
what we have here though is obviously just the attempt to make some quick profit with some shoddy game that in all probability will distort the truth vigorously.
so where to draw the line? there was this once economy game once, named "concentration camp manager". and it was exactly what it says on the tin. i think we can agree that this kind of thing is not cool^^ hard to find a good middle ground..
and sorry if that sounds offensive, but i believe if you think that it's fine that there is a game that tries to sell the player the genocide of millions of innocents as a good and desirable thing, then you need professional help.
On topic: Yes YOU don't like it, so of course it shouldn't exist. I don't like seafood, so by that logic I should be pandered to and have it removed from existence.
however,
of course one could make an actually good game out of it, there is a lot of potential for deep characters and such, emotional fuel by showing the unimaginable horrors..i was refering to some old game that pretty much without an ounce of irony sold the whole holocaust as a good idea.GiantRaven said:I think you could make a very interesting and moving game out of that idea.Kathinka said:it's not only that i wouldn't like to play a game where i manage a concentration camp, i utterly resent the idea of such a travesty existing!